Forging

2021-09-23T13:39:41Z

KHAZAAN: fixed the jeddart axe forging cycle

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[Click to view original '''Forging Guide''' (introductory material)][Click to view full article]
{{#section:Template:Forging Guide|Intro}}
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There are four possible outcomes in turning the grinder:
{| {{prettytable}}
|-bgcolor=lightgrey
!Result || Notes || Messaging
|-
!Major failure
|The entire material is destroyed.
|<pre{{log-inline}}>You are left with a toothpick.</pre>
|-
!Minor failure
|Try again. The weight of the material is reduced slightly, which means you may need more material.
|<pre{{log-inline}}>Things seem to be going okay, but this is more difficult than you expected. After grinding for what seems like an eternity you realize that the scribed pattern has been chewed away, but the remaining <material> doesn't look like anything yet.</pre>
|-
!Success
|A functional, crafted handle has been created
|<pre{{log-inline}}>You finish your work and stand up, turning the <hilt> in your hands. You nod, satisfied with the piece you've created.</pre>
|-
!style="white-space:nowrap"|Major success
|The hilt can be used to attempt to create a perfect weapon
|<pre{{log-inline}}>You finish your work and stand up, turning the <hilt> in your hands. You smile as you realize that this piece is the very best that you can create.</pre>
|}

Upon completion of the grinding portion of the forging process, one must polish the finished piece by{{mono| [[LEAN (verb)|LEANing]] }}on the polisher.</div>
{{#section:Template:Forging Guide|Forge}}
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There are five possible outcomes in getting the tongs:

{| {{prettytable}}
|-bgcolor=lightgrey
!Result || Notes || Messaging
|-
!style="white-space:nowrap"|Continue working
|It takes longer to create larger pieces.
|<pre{{log-inline}}>You finish this round of work on your {material} slab and set the tongs on the anvil, realizing that there's more work to be done before the >material< slab will resemble its intended form.</pre>
|-
!Major failure
|You are left with nothing.
|<pre{{log-inline}}></pre>
|-
!Minor failure
|Try again
|<pre{{log-inline}}></pre>
|-
!Success
|A regular head or blade is created
|<pre{{log-inline}}>You finish your work and straighten up. Turning the {material} {item}-blade you nod, satisfied with your work.</pre>
|-
!Major success
|The head or blade can be used to attempt to create a perfect weapon
|<pre{{log-inline}}>You pause and lift the still glowing {material} {item}-blade from the anvil. A moment of close inspection is all you need to tell that you have done your best work this time. You smile as you plunge the hot {item}-blade into the tempering trough.</pre>
|}
As with crafting, one must polish the finished piece by{{mono| LEANing }}on the polisher.</div>
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{{#section:Template:Forging Guide|Polisher}}</div>
{{#section:Template:Forging Guide|Vise}}
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There are four outcomes to turning the vise:

{| {{prettytable}}
|-bgcolor=lightgrey
!Result || Notes || Messaging
|-
!Major failure
|The pieces are combined, but at a severely reduced quality.
|<pre{{log-inline}}></pre>
|-
!Minor failure
|Try again
|<pre{{log-inline}}></pre>
|-
!Success
|The pieces are combined. The weapon will not be perfect, but if the two pieces going into the vise are "best" pieces, the resulting weapon will be a superior weapon.
|<pre{{log-inline}}>You finish your work and step back, turning the {material} {item} in your hands. You nod, satisfied with the piece you've created.</pre>
|-
!style="white-space:nowrap"|Major Success
|The pieces are combined at increased quality. If the two pieces were "best" pieces, the resulting weapon will be a perfect weapon, provided that you are a master of crafting. If the two pieces are not "best" pieces, then the resulting weapon will be a superior weapon.
|<pre{{log-inline}}>You finish your work and step back, turning the {weapon} in your hands. You smile as you realize that this piece is probably the best that you can create.</pre>
|}
After this step, the head or blade is complete. The weapon will be a <quality> <material>-handled <material> <weapon>. The handle portion of the short can be removed using the polisher via{{mono| LEAN POLISHER WITH CLEAN}}.

While it is possible to dye the pieces at this step, it can cause serious bugs. It is best to leave them as-is.

==The Slab Cutter==
The slab cutter in the crafting room is used to divide the material into several pieces. Since a successful forging attempt uses the entirety of a piece of material, this cuts down on waste. To do so,{{mono| PULL }}slab-cutter, after{{mono| PUSHing }}to adjust the cut size, or{{mono| POKEing }}to reset it to cut the material in half. To find out how much material to use,{{mono| MEASURE }}the glyph.

==The Forging Hammer==
A forging hammer must be used during the forging process ({{mono|GET TONGS}}). Pieces made with a perfect forging hammer have an 8% chance to combine to make a perfect weapon.

Forging hammers must be attuned to the character in order make a perfect piece. When using a forging hammer crafted by another forger, the following message will indicate when the hammer is attuned to the forger.
::{| class="wikitable"
|<pre{{log-inline}}>You feel as if you've become accustomed to the balance and heft of this forging-hammer.</pre>
|}

==Modifiers to Forging==
=== Statistic Modifiers ===
As described above, the following statistics affect the three stages of forging:
{| {{Prettytable}}
!Crafting
|[[STR]], [[DEX]], [[DIS]]
|-
!Forging
|[[STR]], [[CON]], [[DIS]]
|-
!Vise
|[[DEX]], [[DIS]]
|}

=== Racial Modifiers ===
A character's race and profession modify their roll when making an item. Characters that come from a race with a tradition of forging or crafting might have a bonus to those skills, possibly innate, or possibly from growing up in a culture where they would have grown up learning about forging.

{| {{prettytable}}
|-bgcolor = lightgrey
! Race
! Crafting
! Forging
|-
| [[Burghal Gnome]] || ? || ?
|-
| [[Dark Elf]] || bonus || small bonus
|-
| [[Dwarf]] || bonus || small bonus
|-
| [[Elf]] || bonus || small bonus
|-
| [[Erithian]] || ? || ?
|-
| [[Forest Gnome]] || ? || ?
|-
| [[Giantman]] || +0 || +0
|-
| [[Half-Elf]] || +0 || +0
|-
| [[Half-Krolvin]] || ? || ?
|-
| [[Human]] || +0 || +0
|-
| [[Halfling]] || +0 || +0
|-
| [[Sylvankind]] || handicap || small handicap
|}

=== Profession Modifiers ===
Since training as an adventurer does not generally involve practice at the forge, most professions suffer a penalty to working on the grinder and receive no bonus to forging. Those with exceptionally nimble hands avoid the grinder penalty, while those with thickly-calloused hands and a tradition of hard labor suffer less of a grinder penalty and a slight bonus to forging.

{| {{prettytable|text-align:center;}}
|- bgcolor = lightgrey
! Profession
! Crafting (Grinder)
! Forging Handicap
! Assembling (Vise)&dagger;
|-
| [[Bard]] || significant handicap || ? || ?
|-
| [[Cleric]] || significant handicap || ? || ?
|-
| [[Empath]] || significant handicap || ? || ?
|-
| [[Monk]] || +0 || ? || ?
|-
| [[Paladin]] || small handicap || -5 || +0
|-
| [[Ranger]] || +0 || ? || ?
|-
| [[Rogue]] || +0 || ? || ?
|-
| [[Sorcerer]] || significant handicap || +50 || ?
|-
| [[Warrior]] || ? || -5 || +0
|-
| [[Wizard]] || significant handicap || +50 || ?
|}
:&dagger; Profession matters much less when assembling parts

:A negative handicap is a bonus
====Maximum Professional Handicaps====
*Crafting: -40
*Forging: -50
*Assembling: -6

==Success Determination Calculation==

The chance to successfully forge an item is determined by:
{| {{prettytable}}
!1-500
|[appropriate forging skill (OHE, BR, etc.)]
|-
! -
|[wound/HP-loss penalty]
|-
! +
|[Forging stat bonuses averaged] (Effective Con bonus, Effective Dis bonus, Effective Str bonus)
|-
| ||{Comparatively, Grinder stat bonuses are (Effective Dex bonus, Effective Dis bonus, Effective Str bonus)}
|-
! -
|[material's magical-plus penalty (higher plus = higher penalty)]
|-
! -
|[material's size penalty (each "pound" of material being worked is a -1 penalty)]
|-
| ||(working larger masses of material at the forge is inherently more difficult)
|-
! +
|[forging hammer's quality modifier]
|-
! -
|[profession handicap]
|-
! +
|[Racial bonus]
|-
| colspan=2|<nowiki>--------------------------</nowiki>
|-
| colspan=2|{Chance of success}
|}

:1-500 RNG
:If RNG < {Chance of success} then SUCCESS.

===Weapon Quality Determination===
Once a '''forging attempt''' has been determined to be a success, an additional 1-100 RNG determines if it was actually an Extraordinary Success (ES) (a "best work" item, necessary in order to achieve a perfect weapon).

The forge's script/code suggests that a 5% chance of an ES was intended, with the hammer's ownership/quality providing a bonus, but the code evaluates to the two If statements below:

:If the forging-hammer does not belong to the weaponsmith, the % chance of an ES is 0.
:If the forging-hammer DOES belong to the weaponsmith, the % chance of an ES = the hammer's quality modifier.

Once a '''grinding attempt''' has been determined to be a success, an additional 1-100 RNG determines if it was actually an ES. The grinder's chance of an ES is a flat 5% chance. No modifiers of any sort.

'''At the vise''', the chance of an ES and a quality increase is determined by a 1-100 RNG vs. (the applicable Forging skill/50), and so the max possible is a 10% chance. A weaponsmith with an OHE forging skill of 400 would have an 8% chance of an ES when assembling an OHE weapon.

===Gift of Eonak===
[[Gift of Eonak]] will provide a second roll for the Grinder, Forging, and Vise steps of the forging process, and the better of the two at each step will be kept.

It does not provide a second roll when a success at grinding is followed by a roll to see whether an Extraordinary Success was achieved or not. Similarly, it does not provide a second roll when a success at forging is followed by a roll to see whether an Extraordinary Success was achieved or not. However, it DOES provide a second roll when a success at the vise is followed by a roll to see whether an Extraordinary Success was achieved or not.

===Summary===
To completely create a weapon, the following success/failure rolls are involved:

1. Grinding the hilt or handle:
:Item-creation success roll (Gift of Eonak provides a second success roll, the best of the two is kept.)
::if successful, an Extraordinary Success roll is made.
:::max ES chance is 5%

2. Forging the head or blade:
:Item-creation success roll (Gift of Eonak provides a second success roll, the best of the two is kept.)
::if successful, an Extraordinary Success roll is made.
:::max ES chance is 5%, but Perfect forging hammer can raise the chance to 8%.

3. Vise assembly of hilt and blade:
:Item-creation success roll (Gift of Eonak provides a second success roll, the best of the two is kept.)
::if successful, an Extraordinary Success roll is made.
:::max ES chance is 10% (Gift of Eonak provides a second success roll, the best of the two is kept.)

==Advancing Skills==
Learning to forge involves actually doing it. For each of the six skills, there are 500 ranks. The number of ranks one has can be seen using the{{boldmono| [[ARTISAN (verb)|ARTISAN]] }}verb.
===Forge Step===
In the head or blade creation step, for each attempt there is a chance approximately equal to the following:
{{Equation box|{{math|'''Probability <nowiki>=</nowiki> [500 - RANKS + "[[LOG]] Bonus"]/500}}}}
Given this, about 483 ranks is the half-way mark as far as average number of attempts it takes to mastery. Note that it has been said that Logic plays a part in determining if a character learns from an attempt at forging or not. The average number of attempts required to master an artisan skill is 3400 attempts. If it takes 3 minutes per forging attempt, this translates to about 170 hours of doing nothing but forging in order to master the skill. Any use of the skills is counted as an attempt at forging, and it is possible to master by forging the simplest weapons from bronze and wood.

'''"LOG Bonus" in this context is not the stat bonus, but a possible small adder (assumed +1 limit) for those with the correct amount of logic bonus, assumed to be +20.

===Grinder and Vise Steps===
There is no Logic bonus involved in improving one's Crafting skill when using either the Grinder or the Vise. Both are straight-up RNGs with no modifiers.

===Forging Specific Weapons===
Logic bonus is involved when improving one's OHE-Forging, OHB-Forging, 2H-Forging, etc. skills. That bonus is +1 for a current (possibly enhanced) Logic of 85 or greater, and a +2 for a current Logic stat that is "really high."

==Materials Available==
There are various types of wood available in different locations. For the most part, the metals are universally available.
===Woods===
{| {{prettytable}}
|-bgcolor = lightgrey
! Wood
! Town
|-
| [[Haon]]
| [[Ta'Illistim]]
|-
| [[Hickory]]
| [[Solhaven]]
|-
| [[Ko'nag]]
| [[Troubled_Waters_prize_list|Troubled Waters prize]]
|-
| [[Maoral]]
| [[Wehnimer's Landing]]
|-
| [[Maple]]
| [[Icemule Trace]]
|-
| [[Modwir]]
| [[Kharam Dzu]]
|-
| [[Monir]]
| [[Ta'Vaalor]]
|-
| [[Oak]]
| [[Zul Logoth]]
|-
| [[Walnut]]
| [[River's Rest]]
|}

===Non-magical metals===
{| {{prettytable}}
|-bgcolor = lightgrey
! Metal Type
! Towns Sold
! Percent chance in EG 2015 Slab Generator
! Seconds per Forging Cycle
|-
| [[Bronze]]
| all
| align = right | n/a
| align=center | 60
|-
| [[Iron]]
| none, forge in Kobold Mines
| align = right | 37.5%1, 3
| align=center | 604
|-
| [[Steel]]
| all
| align = right | 37.5%1, 3
| align=center | 60
|-
| [[Invar]]
| [[Zul Logoth]]
| align = right | 7.8%1
| align=center | 804
|}

===Common magical metals===
These metals are sold in every forging shop, and are rather common in slab generators.
{| {{prettytable}}
|-bgcolor = lightgrey
! Metal Type
! Percent chance in EG 2015 Slab Generator
! Seconds per Forging Cycle
|-
| [[Mithril]]
| align = right | 10.3%1
| align = center | 80
|-
| [[Ora]]
| align = right | 2.6%1
| align = center | 100
|-
| [[Imflass]]
| align = right | 12.1%1
| align = center | 120
|-
| [[Vultite]]
| align = right | 2.1%1
| align = center | 180
|}

===Uncommon metals===
These were sold off the shelf at certain events, and show up somewhat regularly in the slab generator.

{| {{prettytable}}
|-bgcolor = lightgrey
! Metal Type
! Percent chance in EG 2015 Slab Generator
! Seconds per Forging Cycle
|-
| [[Drakar]]
| align = right | 3.7%1
| align = center | 80
|-
| [[Gornar]]
| align = right | 2.8%1
| align = center | 80
|-
| [[Mithglin]]
| off the shelf only
| align = center | 1404
|-
| [[Rhimar]]
| align = right | 3.5%1
| align = center | 80
|-
| [[Zorchar]]
| align = right | 3.7%1
| align = center | 80
|}

===Rare metals===
These have only been available through auctions or raffles.

{| {{prettytable}}
|-bgcolor = lightgrey
! Metal Type
! Percent chance in EG 2015 Slab Generator
! Seconds per Forging Cycle
|-
| [[Eahnor]]
| align = right | 0.063%2
| align = center | 1204
|-
| [[Eonake]]
| align = right | 0.209%2
| align = center | 200
|-
| [[Faenor]]
| align = right | 4.0%1
| align = center | 80
|-
| [[Golvern]]
| align = right | 0.063%2
| align = center | 140
|-
| [[Kelyn]]
| align = right | 1.610%2
| align = center | 1404
|-
| [[Razern]]
| align = right | 2.5%1
| align = center | 100
|-
| [[Rolaren]]
| align = right | 0.230%2
| align = center | 180
|-
| [[Vaalorn]]
| align = right | 1.9%1
| align = center | 1604
|-
| [[Veil iron]]
| auction/raffle only
| align = center | unknown
|-
| [[White ora]]
| align = right | 1.212%2
| align = center | 100
|-
| [[Black ora]]
| auction/raffle only
| align = center | 1004
|}

:Notes:
:Percentages come from two different sources, using the bigger sample when possible. Thus, percentages will not add to 100%.
:1Uncommon metals taken from Frorin's sample of about 680 slabs.
:2Rare metals taken from Liia's release of slab generator data, totaling 4784 slabs between Prime and Platinum.
:3Frorin did not break out iron and steel results; they combined to around 37.5%
:4Has not yet been confirmed with in-world testing

===Tempering Oils===
In order to complete a head or blade, you must have the proper oil in the trough. You empty the trough by pulling the cork and then POURing the oil into the trough. Below is a table which, while not comprehensive, hopefully offers pertinent examples and tricks, sufficient for most needs.
{| {{prettytable}}
|-bgcolor = lightgrey
! Oil
! Enchantment
! Pertains to (examples)
! Price
|-
| water
| less than 0x
| [[bronze]], [[iron]]
| free
|-
| tempering oil
| 0x
| [[steel]], [[invar]]†
| ~ 10 silver
|-
| enchanted tempering oil
| 1x to 2x (up to +10)
| [[mithril]], [[kelyn]], [[faenor]], ([[white ora|white]]) [[ora]]
| ~ 2,000 silvers
|-
| twice-enchanted oil
| 3x to 4x (+11 to +19)
| [[razern]]‡, [[imflass]], [[mithglin]], [[vaalorn]], [[eahnor]]
| ~ 10,000 silvers
|-
| ensorcelled oil
| 4x and above
| [[vultite]], [[eonake]], [[rolaren]], [[golvern]]
| ~ 20,000 silvers
|}
:Notes:
:†Invar is naturally +2 but is neither enchanted nor nor magical.
:‡Razern in principle seems to fall into the previous category, but requires twice-enchanted oil, likely owing to its natural critical weighting.

==Weapon Glyphs Available==
The following is a list of weapon glyphs available at the various forging workshop locations.
{|
|-valign=top
|
{| {{prettytable}}
|+ '''Edged Weapons
|-bgcolor = lightgrey
! Weapon Type
! Towns Sold
! Forging Cycles
|-
| [[Dagger]]
| all
| 2
|-
| [[Short sword]]
| all
| 3
|-
| [[Main gauche]]
| all
| 4
|-
| [[Backsword]]
| [[Wehnimer's Landing]]
| 4
|-
| [[Cutlass]]
| [[River's Rest]]
| 4
|-
| [[Handaxe]]
| [[Ta'Illistim]]
| 4
|-
| [[Falchion]]
| [[Kharam Dzu]]
| 5
|-
| [[Longsword]]
| Ta'Illistim
| 5
|-
| [[Broadsword]]
| [[Icemule Trace]]
| 5
|-
| [[Estoc]]
| Ta'Illistim
| 5
|-
| [[Rapier]]
| none, merchant only
| 1
|}
|
{| {{prettytable}}
|+ '''Blunt Weapons
|-bgcolor = lightgrey
! Weapon Type
! Towns Sold
! Forging Cycles
|-
| [[Cudgel]]
| all
| 2
|-
| [[Mace]]
| all
| 3
|-
| [[Crowbill]]
| all
| 4
|-
| [[War hammer]]
| Kharam Dzu
| 6
|-
| [[Morning star]]
| River's Rest
| 4
|-
| [[Ridgemace]]
| [[Zul Logoth]]
| 3
|-
| [[Spikestar]]
| Zul Logoth
| 3
|-
| [[Ball and chain]]
| [[Ta'Vaalor]]
| 5
|}
|-valign=top
|
{| {{prettytable}}
|+ '''Two-handed Weapons
|-bgcolor = lightgrey
! Weapon Type
! Towns Sold
! Forging Cycles
|-
| [[Quarterstaff]]
| all
| 2
|-
| [[Mattock]]
| all
| 3
|-
| [[Flail]]
| all
| 4
|-
| [[Greatsword]]
| Wehnimer's Landing
| 7
|-
| [[War-pick]]
| Kharam Dzu
| ?
|-
| [[Flamberge]]
| Icemule Trace
| 7
|-
| [[Greataxe]]
| Zul Logoth
| 3
|-
| [[Maul]]
| none, merchant only
| 1
|}
|
{| {{prettytable}}
|+ '''Polearm Weapons
|-bgcolor = lightgrey
! Weapon Type
! Towns Sold
! Forging Cycles
|-
| [[Spear]]
| all
| 2
|-
| [[Pilum]]
| all
| 3
|-
| [[Halberd]]
| all
| 4
|-
| [[Hammer of Kai]]
| Wehnimer's Landing
| 5
|-
| [[Trident]]
| Solhaven
| 5
|-
| [[Jeddart-axe]]
| River's Rest
| 4
|-
| [[Awl-pike]]
| Ta'Vaalor
| 5
|-
| [[Lance]]
| none, merchant only
| 1
|}
|- valign=top
|
{| {{prettytable}}
|+ '''Brawling Weapons
|-bgcolor = lightgrey
! Weapon Type
! Towns Sold
! Forging Cycles
|-
| [[Knuckle-duster]]
| all
| 2
|-
| [[Hook-knife]]
| all
| 1
|-
| [[Knuckle-blade]]
| all
| 2
|-
| [[Troll-claw]]
| all
| 3
|-
| [[Yierka-spur]]
| Solhaven
| 2
|-
| [[Fist-scythe]]
| Ta'Vaalor
| 4
|-
| [[Tiger-claw]]
| none, merchant only
| ?
|-
| [[Sai]]
| none, merchant only
| 1
|}
|
{| {{prettytable}}
|+ '''Hybrid weapons
|-bgcolor = lightgrey
! Weapon Type
! Towns Sold
! Forging Cycles
! Skills Required
|-
| [[Katar]]
| Solhaven
| 3
| Brawling Edged Weapons
|-
| [[Warsword]]
| Icemule Trace
| 6
| Edged Weapons Two-Handed Weapons
|}
|}

==Usefulness of Forging==
Forged weapon AvDs are increased over those of normal weapons at a flat rate; therefore, it is similar to increasing the enchant slightly. Below is a listing of the quality ranks, and their bonuses. Forged weapons may be blessed, enchanted, ensorcelled, and [[:Category: Weapon Enhancements|otherwise improved]] through various profession, merchant, and [[Premium Point]] services.

{| {{prettytable|text-align:center}}
|-bgcolor = lightgrey
! Quality
! DF/Breakage Bonus
! AvD Bonus
|-
| Perfect
| 6%
| +3
|-
| Superior
| 4%
| +2
|-
| Hefty
| 4%
| +2
|-
| Nifty
| 4%
| +2
|-
| Exquisite
| 4%
| +2
|-
| Well-crafted
| 4%
| +2
|-
| Elegant
| 2%
| +1
|-
| Well-made
| 2%
| +1
|-
| Fine
| none?
| none?
|-
| Nice
| none
| none
|-
| Plain
| none
| none
|-
| Simple
| none?
| -1
|-
| Crude
| none?
| -2
|-
| Lop-sided
| none?
| -2?
|-
| Flimsy
| none?
| -3
|}
</div>
==Resources==
*[[/saved posts|Saved posts]]
*[[/Forging Perl Script|Attempts Per Rank Log Parser - Perl]]
*[[Forged weapon dyeing]]
*[[Forging scriber]]
*[[Slab weights]]
*[[:Category:Forging Shops|Forging Supply Shops category]]
*[http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Artisan%20Skills/Forging/view Officials folder]
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