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	Thus, this potentially falls under the "Rogue love" category.		Thus, this potentially falls under the "Rogue love" category.

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GS4-XERAPHINA at 14:15, 22 June 2023

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VANKRASN39: /* Armor Action Penalty */ add post from SC 2008

2017-04-13T20:09:01Z

Armor Action Penalty: add post from SC 2008

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			==SimuCon 2008==
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			\| category = Rogues
			\| topic = Developer's Corner - Rogues
			\| messagenum = 2682
			\| author = SHADOWTHEFT
			\| date = 8/11/2008 3:04:27 PM
			\| subject = Re: why aren't rogues getting any love?
			}}
			For those of you who weren't at SimuCon, there is going to be a change to [[Armor]] in the future to where there will be a benefit to over training.

			In so far as the change goes, Ildran said that they were looking to focus more on the agility of [[Rogue]]s, in that over training in armor would allow one to "roll with the punches" more... which equated to damage and crit reduction, if I remember right.

			But, before someone starts screaming about how they don't want to spend TPs and over train in armor for these bonuses...

			Ildran also said that the armor ranks that you have (read; Train in 30 ranks for brig and stop) will count towards these new mechanics. You will still see these benefits, but at an extremely reduced rate (compared to someone wearing brig with, say... 130 ranks of armor).

			Warriors, of course, will have more benefits/options, as Armor is more of a "core skill" for them.

			Thus, this potentially falls under the "Rogue love" category.

			~Eugenides, The Legend

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VANKRASN39: update link

2017-03-17T05:06:18Z

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	Posts relating to [[armor]] in general. For specific posts about [[Armor Specialization]], see [[Armor Specialization (saved posts)]].		Posts relating to [[armor]] in general. For specific posts about [[Armor Specialization]], see [[Armor Specialization/saved posts]].

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VANKRASN39 at 00:04, 12 November 2015

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			Posts relating to [[armor]] in general. For specific posts about [[Armor Specialization]], see [[Armor Specialization (saved posts)]].

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VANKRASN39: /* Armor Specialization Release */ add post

2015-11-11T23:57:02Z

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			\| category = Rogues
			\| topic = So You Want to be a Rogue?
			\| author = GS4-IXIX
			\| subject = Re: Armor skills inquiries
			\| date = 08/02/2015 09:01 AM EDT
			\| messagenum = 982
			}}I think that the last time that it came up I was looking for a specific thing (CMANs perhaps) that was being discussed, and missed these other mechanics. My apologies for the confusion.

			Something else.

			You do have to refresh your armor skill when learning a rank in evasion to apply your new skill, but you do not have to remove/wear the armor first. Armored stealth is the same way.

			Ixix

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2015-11-11T23:49:16Z

Armor Action Penalty: add posts

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			\| category = Rogues
			\| topic = So You Want to be a Rogue?
			\| author = GS4-IXIX
			\| subject = Re: Armor skills inquiries
			\| date = 07/31/2015 06:21 PM EDT
			\| messagenum = 977
			}}I do vaguely recall that but I can't find the specific post to see if I was actually right or not (gee that's helpful, eh?). So let's ignore that and just go with this:

			[[Armored evasion]] adjusts your Action Penalty for more than just your DS. Other things that consider include (but are not necessarily limited to in case I'm missing something) Spikethorn, Quake, Roa'ter Burrows, SMRs, Boil Earth, Lava Golem blob attacks, and Minotaur Charges.

			Ixix

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			\| category = Rogues
			\| topic = So You Want to be a Rogue?
			\| author = GS4-IXIX
			\| subject = Re: Armor skills inquiries
			\| date = 07/31/2015 10:48 PM EDT
			\| messagenum = 980
			}}''<<Ixix, Thank you for confirming that Armored evasion is useful for dodging maneuvers. Maybe that means people will take us rogues up on offering Armored Evasion. Is there any way you could confirm how the formula works? I would prefer not to train in Armored evasion if it doesn't give me any benefit for wearing brig.>>''

			The formula on the wiki is correct: (Armored Evasion Ranks * (7 - (Armor Group)) / 2), the only other catch that I see is that the reduction can't take you below an AP of 0.

			It works as a direct reduction of your Action Penalty (for those things that take it into account that I mentioned earlier). Taking brigandine for example - you have a base AP of 12. Your Armor Group is 3 - with say, 3 ranks, you'd get a (3 * (7 - 3) / 2) reduction for a total of 6, reducing your AP to 6. If you were in Metal Breastplate, AG 5, you'd get (3 * (7 - 5) / 2) for a total of 3 reduction (from 20 to 17 in that instance).

			That Action Penalty value then goes on to factor into those various things in different ways, but the closer your AP is to 0, the better.

			The wiki lists APs as a negative value, these examples are just using the absolute value in case anybody is confused by that.

			Ixix

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