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	==2020 CMAN & SML Update==		==2020 CMAN & SML Update==
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	==2007 CMan Review==		==2007 CMan Review==

GS4-XERAPHINA: added new saved post

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			==2020 CMAN & SML Update==
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			\| category = Combat, Magic, and Character Mechanics
			\| topic = Magic
			\| messagenum = [http://forums.play.net/forums/19/327/3365/view/573 573]
			\| author = GS4-NAIJIN
			\| date = 12/30/2020
			\| subject = CML & SMR Updates
			}}

			SMRv2/CML Updates

			The CML roll system is one that many players have expressed a dislike for. Even with maxed skill/stat training, it’s very difficult to defend against without training in the maneuver being used. This leads to players training primarily for defensive purposes, and not being able to utilize the rest of the maneuvers offensively for diversity or flavor.

			The conversion to SMRv2 will increase baseline defense against CML across the board, and will still provide an opportunity to train in certain skills for increased defense should a player choose to. Our goal here is to reduce the necessity to train in skills purely for defense and open up other maneuvers to players.

			In order to facilitate this change, some changes have been made to the SMRv2 formula itself.

			General SMRv2 changes

			Racial '''maneuver''' bonuses have been changed to be a bonus to dodge ranks instead of a flat percentage. This change applies to maneuvers that take dodge into account, which is currently all of them.
			* Human: 0
			* Giant : 0
			* Half-Elf : 3% => 30 ranks
			* Sylvankind : 3% => 30 ranks
			* Dark Elf : 3% => 30 ranks
			* Elf : 6% => 60 ranks
			* Dwarf : 0
			* Halfling : 6% => 60 ranks
			* Forest Gnome : 6% => 60 ranks
			* Burghal Gnome : 8% => 80 ranks
			* Half-Krolvin : 0
			* Erithian : 3% => 30 ranks
			* Aelotoi : 3% => 30 ranks

			The benefit from being in higher stances has been halved. This means that being in a guarded stance is now the same as being in forward stance prior to the conversion.
			* The amount of time a pure spends in guarded was benefiting them more than intended. This change allows for stancing to provide a defensive boost on demand, but will reduce the persistent benefit casters receive to what should be one of their weaknesses.

			SMRv2 attacks made from hiding now pushdown target stance similar to using the AMBUSH verb.

			Force on Force has been added to SMRv2 rolls. This applies the same as it does to other systems.

			Players can now better defend against magical SMRv2 attacks, similar to training ranks in the CML system.
			* Knowing the spell, regardless of ability to cast: +20% (Rank 5).
			* Can learn the spell, but hasn’t yet: +8% (Rank 3).
			* Can learn from the same sphere of magic, but not the same circle: +2% (Rank 1).
			* No influence in the spell’s sphere: +0% (No ranks).

			Combat Mobility will now trigger for SMRv2 rolls.

			CML Specific Changes

			CML rolls have been replaced with SMRv2.

			Training in a skill grants up to a 25% offensive and defensive bonus against like level creatures. The bonus has been changed from flat scaling, and now provides more benefit the higher in rank you are. The total bonus granted against like level targets is as follows:
			* Rank 1: +2%
			* Rank 2: +4%
			* Rank 3: +8%
			* Rank 4: +12%
			* Rank 5: +20%
			* Guild Master: +25%

			Weapon Specialization and Weapon Bonding still apply a 2% / rank bonus.

			Shield Focus will still apply a 2% / rank bonus.

			Cunning Defense has been updated to provide dodge ranks for the purposes of SMRv2 defense. This applies to CML SMRv2 rolls, and maxes out at +30 dodge ranks.
			* Rank 1: +2
			* Rank 2: +4
			* Rank 3: +6
			* Rank 4: +8
			* Rank 5: +10

			SMRv2 offensive power is based on the relevant skill training per character level.
			* 1x in a skill is considered baseline. Diminishing returns apply for training over 1x, with 2x training being 15% more effective than 1x training.
			* CMAN skill is used as a primary skill for every maneuver. Secondary skills may be averaged in, to find the total skill value.

			All racial size modifiers have been moved to post-roll calculations and will modify the final roll, rather than the connection roll. This is similar to how channeling affects the endroll of warding spells.

			* Gnomes and halflings have had their bonuses changed to line up with their size. Burghal gnomes are the smallest, followed by halflings, and then forest gnomes.

			Racial size modifiers are now:
			* Giantman/Half-Krolvin: +10, no change.
			* Dwarf/Human: +5, no change.
			* Half-Elf/Sylvankind/Dark Elf/Erithian: 0, no change.
			* Elf/Aelotoi: -5, no change.
			* Burghal Gnome: -15 to -20.
			* Forest Gnome: -15 to -10.
			* Halfling: -20 to -15.

			Added backend support to handle custom messaging.

			Injuries are now applied like all other SMRv2 rolls. Only rank 2 and 3 wounds will cause penalties to the attacker.

			All maneuvers have had stance reviewed for both offensive and defensive purposes. This information has been added to the HELP output.

			Shields now provide a defensive bonus to many maneuvers. This information has been added to the HELP output.

			Shield size modifiers that apply to maneuvers have been added to HELP output.

			Setups that inflict critical damage have had their critical rank normalized based on the endroll and power level of the maneuver.
			* A common complaint was being unable to determine the effect of one maneuver over another that differed primarily in power level (e.g., shield bash vs shield charge). This should help reduce the variance of those types of maneuvers.
			* Maneuvers of the same power level should result in similar criticals, however, every maneuver has the freedom to make adjustments as necessary.
			* Note: this is coded, but maneuvers will need a review individually to determine if they should be updated.

			- Naijin

	==2007 CMan Review==		==2007 CMan Review==

ECHEAUX: Added post for Acrobat's Leap

2019-09-16T04:07:48Z

Added post for Acrobat's Leap

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			==New Combat Maneuver==
			{{saved-post
			\|author=GS4-NAIJIN
			\|messagenum=316
			\|subject=New Combat Maneuver - Acrobat's Leap!
			\|date=08/14/2019 01:09 AM EDT
			\|category=Combat, Magic, and Character Mechanics
			\|topic=Character Creation, Stats, and Skills
			}}A new CMAN, Acrobat's Leap, has been released. Training in Acrobat's Leap allows you to jump to increase your reach while ambushing or using maneuvers that take the height system into account.

			Skill Name: Acrobat's Leap
			Mnemonic: leap
			Hostile: No
			Stamina Cost: 1 per foot of reach needed. Increases by 1 in chain armor and 2 in plate armor.
			Other Requirements: None.
			Available to: Rogues, Monks.
			Prerequisites:
			None
			CMP Cost:
			Rank 1: (Squares) 3
			Rank 2: (Squares) 6
			Rank 3: (Squares) 9
			Description: This is a passive maneuver. You are able to leap to increase your reach by 1 foot per rank while ambushing or using maneuvers that take the height system into account. Every 30% of encumbrance reduces your reach by 1 foot.

	[[Category:Combat Maneuvers\| ]]		[[Category:Combat Maneuvers\| ]]

VANKRASN39: /* Monk Access to Spell Parry/Cleave 9 Apr 2013 */ fix link

2017-06-19T02:30:45Z

Monk Access to Spell Parry/Cleave 9 Apr 2013: fix link

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	\|topic=[[Combat Maneuvers]] Discussion		\|topic=[[Combat Maneuvers]] Discussion
	}}[[Monk]]s will now have access to the [[Spell Parry]] and [[Spell Cleave]] combat maneuvers. Note that monks will need an ensorcelled/anti-magical weapon in order to parry spells, just like anyone else. Spell Cleave can be used with an ensorcelled weapon or [[UCS]] gloves. In addition, the [[Stance of the Mongoose]] has been opened up to Warriors (this was part of the earlier release, but I simply forgot to announce it).		}}[[Monk]]s will now have access to the [[Spell Parry]] and [[Spell Cleaving\|Spell Cleave]] combat maneuvers. Note that monks will need an ensorcelled/anti-magical weapon in order to parry spells, just like anyone else. Spell Cleave can be used with an ensorcelled weapon or [[UCS]] gloves. In addition, the [[Stance of the Mongoose]] has been opened up to Warriors (this was part of the earlier release, but I simply forgot to announce it).

	Finally, in order to allow players to adjust to the recent extensive maneuver updates, a special CMAN FIXSKILLS option has been granted. Until May 2, 2013, all players will have one-time access to the CMAN FIXSKILLS command. This command automatically converts all unlearning CMP into available CMP, so be sure to unlearn any maneuvers you wish migrate before invoking this command.		Finally, in order to allow players to adjust to the recent extensive maneuver updates, a special CMAN FIXSKILLS option has been granted. Until May 2, 2013, all players will have one-time access to the CMAN FIXSKILLS command. This command automatically converts all unlearning CMP into available CMP, so be sure to unlearn any maneuvers you wish migrate before invoking this command.

VANKRASN39: /* Cunning Defense */ move post

2017-06-19T02:18:02Z

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	==Cunning Defense==
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	\| category = Hunting and Combat
	\| topic = Combat Maneuvers Discussion
	\| messagenum = 14037
	\| author = GS4-OSCURO
	\| date = 4/6/2010 7:44:05 PM
	\| subject = New CMAN: Cunning Defense
	}}A new [[CMAN]], [[Cunning Defense]], has been released. Training in Cunning Defense will raise your defense against all CMANs from the Combat Maneuver List (CML). Mastery in Cunning Defense is equivalent to having one additional rank (for defensive purposes) in all offensive CMANs.

	Skill Name: Cunning Defense<br>
	Mnemonic: cdefense<br>
	Hostile: No<br>
	[[Stamina]] Cost: None.<br>
	Other Requirements: None<br>
	Available to: [[Warrior]]s, [[Rogue]]s, [[Wizard]]s, [[Cleric]]s, [[Empath]]s, [[Sorcerer]]s, [[Ranger]]s, [[Bard]]s, [[Savant]]s, [[Monk]]s, [[Paladin]]s.<br>
	Prerequisites:<br>
	None<br>
	CMP Cost:<br>
	Rank 1: (Squares) 2 (Semis) 3 (Pures) 4<br>
	Rank 2: (Squares) 3 (Semis) 4 (Pures) 6<br>
	Rank 3: (Squares) 4 (Semis) 6 (Pures) 8<br>
	Rank 4: (Squares) 5 (Semis) 7 (Pures) 10<br>
	Rank 5: (Squares) 6 (Semis) 9 (Pures) 12<br>
	Description: +3 per rank to CML defense.

	- GM Oscuro -

	==Combat Movement and Combat Focus==		==Combat Movement and Combat Focus==

VANKRASN39: /* Multi-Fire */ move post

2017-06-19T01:52:11Z

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	==[[Multi-Fire]]==
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	\|author=GS4-FINROS
	\|messagenum=589
	\|subject=Re: MFIRE. Again.
	\|date=01/28/2016 07:33 PM EST
	\|category=Hunting and Combat
	\|topic= Archery
	}}I fully agree that MFIRE is pretty lacking.

	On the other hand, archery as a whole has many significant advantages over all other forms of physical combat. I don't anticipate giving archery a significant upgrade while that disparity prevails.
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VANKRASN39: /* Ki Focus */ move posts

2017-06-19T01:44:59Z

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	==[[Ki Focus]]==
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	\|author=GS4-FINROS
	\|messagenum=830
	\|subject=[[hsn\|HSN]]: Ki Focus Combat Maneuver Update
	\|date=07/28/2015 08:57 PM EDT
	\|category=Hunting and Combat
	\|topic= Unarmed Combat
	}}The Ki Focus combat maneuver, available to monks, has been revised to grant an unarmed combat tier-up bonus in lieu of its previous bonus to AS/UAF. The maneuver is now invoked to grant a 33% chance per rank of gaining an immediate tier-up on the next unarmed strike, assuming that it is successful. If the strike is successful but does not grant an immediate tier-up, the probability of earning a tier-up strike is significantly increased for all subsequent strikes at that tier.

	{{saved-post
	\|author=GS4-FINROS
	\|messagenum=833
	\|subject=Re: HSN: Ki Focus Combat Maneuver Update
	\|date=07/28/2015 10:44 PM EDT
	\|category=Hunting and Combat
	\|topic= Unarmed Combat
	}}''>Cool! One question. How does this work with Krynch?''

	The two maneuvers don't have any interaction. Krynch is the very last check when determining tier, and, if applicable, brings you up to a carried-over tier from a previous attack. Ki Focus is at the start, sharing precedence with automatic tier-up attacks (the two are mutually exclusive). The lucky tier-up chance is in the middle, and is always evaluated if a tier-up is possible.

	{{saved-post
	\|author=GS4-IXIX
	\|messagenum=838
	\|subject=Re: HSN: Ki Focus Combat Maneuver Update
	\|date=07/29/2015 09:43 PM EDT
	\|category=Hunting and Combat
	\|topic= Unarmed Combat
	}}''<<Does Ki Focus count as an offensive CMAN for Second Wind ability? >>''

	Yes, although without an offensive CMAN attack roll (like you'd see with say, Groin Kick) it won't affect the effectiveness of Ki Focus, just the stamina cost.

	Ixix

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	\|author=GS4-FINROS
	\|messagenum=839
	\|subject=Re: HSN: Ki Focus Combat Maneuver Update
	\|date=07/29/2015 10:25 PM EDT
	\|category=Hunting and Combat
	\|topic= Unarmed Combat
	}}''>Is the continuing bonus applied to the chance of generating an opening or the lucky tier up or something else?''

	The former. There's a decent chance that the same strike that fails to achieve an automatic tier-up will still yield a tier-up opening. (And if it doesn't, the bonus will continue to apply on subsequent tier-up opportunities).

	''>Does this mean that using ki focus between a decent jab that created a punch opening and punching the critter, just wastes stamina? ''

	Right. You still may get from tier one to tier three from a lucky tier-up in conjunction with an automatic tier-up strike or a Ki Focus strike, but the latter two don't combine to give you an automatic two step jump.

	Otherwise, you are correct that UAF boosters aren't terribly useful for monks. I'm aware of the weakness of Dragonclaw in that reward, but don't forget that it also offers spell-bypassing flares that negate a target's magical UDF boosters. I grant that it isn't so useful against unspelled creatures, all things considered.

	==[[Multi-Fire]]==		==[[Multi-Fire]]==

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2017-06-19T01:42:20Z

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