Elemental lore review (saved posts) - Revision history

VANKRASN39: /* General */ change to LST, add main article links

2017-07-26T17:53:40Z

General: change to LST, add main article links

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	==General==		==General==
			{{main\|Elemental Lore}}
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			{{#section:Elemental Lore/saved posts\|general}}
	\| category = Magic Spells and Systems
			===Wizards and CS Spells===
	\| topic = Minor Elemental Circle
			{{main\|Wizard}}
	\| messagenum = 676
			{{#section:Wizard/saved posts\|general}}
	\| author = GS4-ESTILD
	\| date = 08/18/2015 01:19 PM EDT
	\| subject = Re: HSN: ELR - 403 (Lock Pick Enhancement) updated!
	}}''GOLDENOAK2<br>
	''Personally I would have thought it Earth would be better as in it strengthens the lockpick, but I can see a justification for water

	We tried to stick with general themes for each lore:

	Fire: offensive<br>
	Earth: defensive<br>
	Water: Restoration and utility<br>
	Air: Time alteration and utility

	It's only a general guideline, as sometimes a specific spell is strongly associated with an element that it doesn't make much sense to use any other element. You'll see why water lore makes more sense in the next couple of days.

	GameMaster Estild

	{{saved-post
	\| category = Wizards
	\| topic = Developer's Corner - Wizards
	\| messagenum = 3169
	\| author = GS4-ESTILD
	\| date = 04/28/2016 12:24 AM EDT
	\| subject = Re: Estild
	}}I'm willing to engage in this discussion as long as all parties can remain civil. If individual posters cannot do that, posts will be removed and warnings issued (that affects all your accounts, F2P and/or paying).

	:''PC1234
	:''re wizards going to be allowed to be CS casters? It appears that you are systematically destroying every CS path we have.
	:''519 was the best CS spell we have. You've heard loud and cloud how most wizards feel about that spell.
	:''415 was the backup, you just posted that you're going to destroy it by killing the double cast.
	:''915 is worthless.
	:''512 no longer does damage.
	:''That leaves us with 409, or 502. Neither of which are great for killing.
	:''Why are wizards not allowed to be strong CS casters?

	Wizards are allowed to hunt with warding spells. They've received at least 2 new tools (not strictly direct damage spells) in the last year alone to enhance that role (Chromatic Circle (502) and Cold Snap (512)). Weapon Fire (915) definitely needs reviewed (or completely redesigned), and but we have yet to come up with a good design for it. If wizards want to suggest a new unique and useful attack (or any type) spell for that slot, we're definitely open to suggests. Elemental Strike (415) will be adjusted, but not until we've also released at 4 other wizard spell updates, including an updated attack spell, a potent defensive spell, and 2 level 50 spells. '''We're also going to be opening up the Test server to players with instant migration enabled for you to try various training paths.''' (Emphasis added.)

	Immolation (519) was down tweaked because it was far too strong. It now more closely aligns with Divine Fury (317) and Wither (1115). One metric we use to gauge effectiveness is casts-per-kill. All other factors being even (or as close as possible), how many casts of spell X does it take to kill creature Y? And how does that number compare to other similar attack spells? Here are some of the results for 317, 519, and 1115: https://goo.gl/8mgRL7. Each cell represents 2,500 kills (often resulting in 5-10k total casts) of that creature with that amount of lore training. All builds use a normalized CS of 100 spell ranks in each circle. One thing you'll notice is that currently, Divine Fury's (317) lore benefit hardly has any impact (to be fixed in the future). Wither (1115) also requires twice as much lore training as Immolation (519).

	To head off the debate, we do not balance around just the Scatter, a hunting ground that was intended to be extremely difficult to solo. Like level comparisons are what we balance against. Yes, clerics and empaths have Spirit Slayer (240), but wizards also have Rapid Fire (515) (and other pending updates in the future), each with their own strengths and weaknesses.

	GameMaster Estild

	==[[Bolt]] DF==		==[[Bolt]] DF==

VANKRASN39: /* Tremors (909) */ LST

2017-05-11T15:48:12Z

Tremors (909): LST

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	===[[Tremors (909)]]===		===[[Tremors (909)]]===
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	I just forgot to include it in the announcement is all. Sorry about that!		I just forgot to include it in the announcement is all. Sorry about that!

			Ixix<section end=Tremors />
	Ixix

	===[[Mass Blur (911)]]===		===[[Mass Blur (911)]]===

VANKRASN39: /* Call Familiar (920) */ update link

2017-03-16T19:04:53Z

Call Familiar (920): update link

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	===[[Call Familiar (920)]]===		===[[Call Familiar (920)]]===
	:''See main article [[Call Familiar (920) (saved posts)]]		:''See main article [[Call Familiar (920)/saved posts]]
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VANKRASN39: /* Call Familiar (920) */ update link

2016-11-23T06:54:13Z

Call Familiar (920): update link

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	===[[Call Familiar (920)]]===		===[[Call Familiar (920)]]===
	:''See main article [[~~Familiars~~ (saved posts)]]		:''See main article [[Call Familiar (920) (saved posts)]]
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VANKRASN39: /* Stone Skin (520) */ note re deprecation

2016-11-05T15:45:19Z

Stone Skin (520): note re deprecation

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	===[[Stone Skin (520)]]===		===[[Stone Skin (520)]]===
			:''This spell has been deprecated and replaced with [[Mage Armor (520)]].
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VANKRASN39: /* General */ add post

2016-04-28T05:15:25Z

General: add post

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	It's only a general guideline, as sometimes a specific spell is strongly associated with an element that it doesn't make much sense to use any other element. You'll see why water lore makes more sense in the next couple of days.		It's only a general guideline, as sometimes a specific spell is strongly associated with an element that it doesn't make much sense to use any other element. You'll see why water lore makes more sense in the next couple of days.

			GameMaster Estild

			{{saved-post
			\| category = Wizards
			\| topic = Developer's Corner - Wizards
			\| messagenum = 3169
			\| author = GS4-ESTILD
			\| date = 04/28/2016 12:24 AM EDT
			\| subject = Re: Estild
			}}I'm willing to engage in this discussion as long as all parties can remain civil. If individual posters cannot do that, posts will be removed and warnings issued (that affects all your accounts, F2P and/or paying).

			:''PC1234
			:''re wizards going to be allowed to be CS casters? It appears that you are systematically destroying every CS path we have.
			:''519 was the best CS spell we have. You've heard loud and cloud how most wizards feel about that spell.
			:''415 was the backup, you just posted that you're going to destroy it by killing the double cast.
			:''915 is worthless.
			:''512 no longer does damage.
			:''That leaves us with 409, or 502. Neither of which are great for killing.
			:''Why are wizards not allowed to be strong CS casters?

			Wizards are allowed to hunt with warding spells. They've received at least 2 new tools (not strictly direct damage spells) in the last year alone to enhance that role (Chromatic Circle (502) and Cold Snap (512)). Weapon Fire (915) definitely needs reviewed (or completely redesigned), and but we have yet to come up with a good design for it. If wizards want to suggest a new unique and useful attack (or any type) spell for that slot, we're definitely open to suggests. Elemental Strike (415) will be adjusted, but not until we've also released at 4 other wizard spell updates, including an updated attack spell, a potent defensive spell, and 2 level 50 spells. '''We're also going to be opening up the Test server to players with instant migration enabled for you to try various training paths.''' (Emphasis added.)

			Immolation (519) was down tweaked because it was far too strong. It now more closely aligns with Divine Fury (317) and Wither (1115). One metric we use to gauge effectiveness is casts-per-kill. All other factors being even (or as close as possible), how many casts of spell X does it take to kill creature Y? And how does that number compare to other similar attack spells? Here are some of the results for 317, 519, and 1115: https://goo.gl/8mgRL7. Each cell represents 2,500 kills (often resulting in 5-10k total casts) of that creature with that amount of lore training. All builds use a normalized CS of 100 spell ranks in each circle. One thing you'll notice is that currently, Divine Fury's (317) lore benefit hardly has any impact (to be fixed in the future). Wither (1115) also requires twice as much lore training as Immolation (519).

			To head off the debate, we do not balance around just the Scatter, a hunting ground that was intended to be extremely difficult to solo. Like level comparisons are what we balance against. Yes, clerics and empaths have Spirit Slayer (240), but wizards also have Rapid Fire (515) (and other pending updates in the future), each with their own strengths and weaknesses.

	GameMaster Estild		GameMaster Estild

VANKRASN39: /* Cold Snap (512) */ another update post

2016-04-18T18:25:56Z

Cold Snap (512): another update post

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  | subject = Re: Cold Snap (512) Released!
 }}You may now EVOKE Cold Snap (512). Doing so, it will always prefer to hit already affected targets (thus to more easily upgrade the root to an immobile). The previous targeting logic no longer applies.
 GameMaster Estild

VANKRASN39: /* Elemental Strike (415) */ add post

2016-04-18T03:42:55Z

Elemental Strike (415): add post

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	GameMaster Cyraex		GameMaster Cyraex

			{{saved-post
			\| category = Wizards
			\| topic = Wizard Spells
			\| messagenum = 2597
			\| author = GS4-ESTILD
			\| date = 04/17/2016 11:28 PM EDT
			\| subject = Re: How is 415's damage calculated
			}}It has a large random component to its damage.

			GameMaster Estild

	===[[Piercing Gaze (416)]]===		===[[Piercing Gaze (416)]]===

VANKRASN39: /* Cold Snap (512) */ add bunch of posts

2016-04-14T19:30:08Z

Cold Snap (512): add bunch of posts

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  | category = Wizards
  | topic = Major Elemental Circle
  | author = GS4-ESTILD
  | date = 04/13/2016 12:06 PM EDT
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  | category = Wizards
  | topic = Major Elemental Circle
  | author = GS4-ESTILD
  | date = 04/13/2016 04:13 PM EDT
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 It was affecting hidden and invisible targets, it just wasn't revealing them, which was a bug. It should now reveal them if they fail to ward the spell.
 GameMaster Estild

VANKRASN39: /* Cold Snap (512) */ add post

2016-04-13T20:31:48Z

Cold Snap (512): add post

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 ====[[Cold Snap (512)]]====
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 If an affected target receives any fire damage (i.e. from 906, 908, 111, etc), the effect ends (since it's melting the ice) and the target receives a steam critical, similar to how trolls react to fire.
 GameMaster Estild