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 {{saved-post|author=SPENDEL|subject=Re: Forged Weapon Qualities|date=7/22/2005 10:15:43 PM|category=Artisan Skills|topic=Forging}}Can someone tell me if I'm right, or correct me please?

VANKRASN39: /* Forging Success Info 2017 */

2017-06-28T15:49:19Z

Forging Success Info 2017

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VANKRASN39: /* Grinder Success Computation 2015 */

2017-06-28T15:49:07Z

Grinder Success Computation 2015

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	==Grinder Success Computation 2015==		==Grinder Success Computation 12/2015==
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2017-06-28T15:47:54Z

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VANKRASN39: /* Dyeing Parts of Forged Weapons */ add date

2017-06-28T15:41:14Z

Dyeing Parts of Forged Weapons: add date

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VANKRASN39: /* Questions and Answers */ add date

2017-06-28T15:40:55Z

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	== Questions and Answers ==		== Questions and Answers 7/2005==
	{{saved-post\|author=HJ-CIRAKIN\|subject=Re: You smile as you realize that this is the very best that you can create.\|date=7/19/2005 11:54:47 AM\|category=Artisan Skills\|topic=[[Forging]]}}<I>Mikos was quite explicit in stating that although you needed some kind of magic metal hammer to forge a magic metal weapon, there was no advantage to using one metal over another, and said outright that there was no reason to use anything better than mithril.</I>		{{saved-post\|author=HJ-CIRAKIN\|subject=Re: You smile as you realize that this is the very best that you can create.\|date=7/19/2005 11:54:47 AM\|category=Artisan Skills\|topic=[[Forging]]}}<I>Mikos was quite explicit in stating that although you needed some kind of magic metal hammer to forge a magic metal weapon, there was no advantage to using one metal over another, and said outright that there was no reason to use anything better than mithril.</I>

VANKRASN39: /* Crafting Skill Use Computation */ change header title

2017-04-14T16:30:13Z

Crafting Skill Use Computation: change header title

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2017-04-14T15:37:18Z

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			==Forging Success Info 2017==
⚫	==Dyeing ~~parts~~ of Forged Weapons==
			{{saved-post
			\| category = Artisan Skills
			\| topic = Forging
			\| messagenum = [http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Artisan%20Skills/Forging/view/669 669]
			\| author = GS4-MIKOS
			\| date = 04/14/2017 09:51 AM EDT
			\| subject = Forging Success and Perfect/Extraordinary Success info
			}}It's been too long since I last provided information for those invested in forging, so hopefully the following will shed some additional light on what's what...

			1. The most recent updates noted in any of the forging system scripts is the addition of the Gift of Eonake benefit. No one's modified the grinder, the vise, or the forge recently in any other way, so inordinate runs of bad luck are just that. The RNG in GS has been "odd" in that regard since forever.

			2. Various glyphs have differing levels of complexity, it's referenced in the text of the placard in the workshop supply stall. The complexity/difficulty level ONLY limits which glyphs a weaponsmith can work with at any given skill level. If you're capable enough to scribe the glyph onto a slab, you're capable enough to produce the part. Beyond that, the difficulty of the glyph doesn't impact anything further in the system that I've been able to identify.

			3. The chance to successfully forge an item is determined by:
			{\| {{prettytable}}
			!1-500
			\|[appropriate forging skill (OHE, BR, etc.)]
			\|-
			! -
			\|[wound/HP-loss penalty]
			\|-
			! +
			\|[Forging stat bonuses averaged] (Effective Con bonus, Effective Dis bonus, Effective Str bonus)
			\|-
			\| \|\|{Comparatively, Grinder stat bonuses are (Effective Dex bonus, Effective Dis bonus, Effective Str bonus)}
			\|-
			! -
			\|[material's magical-plus penalty (higher plus = higher penalty)]
			\|-
			! -
			\|[material's size penalty (each "pound" of material being worked is a -1 penalty)]
			\|-
			\| \|\|(working larger masses of material at the forge is inherently more difficult)
			\|-
			! +
			\|[forging hammer's quality modifier]
			\|-
			! -
			\|[profession handicap]
			\|-
			! +
			\|[Racial bonus]
			\|-
			\| colspan=2\|<nowiki>--------------------------</nowiki>
			\|-
			\| colspan=2\|{Chance of success}
			\|}

			:1-500 RNG
			:If RNG < {Chance of success} then SUCCESS.
			:Gift of Eonake provides a 2nd success roll. The better of the two is kept.

			4. Once a Forging attempt has been determined to be a success, an additional 1-100 RNG determines if it was actually an Extraordinary Success (a "best work" item, necessary in order to achieve a Perfect weapon).
			The forge's script/code suggests that a 5% chance of an E.S. was intended, with the hammer's ownership/quality providing a bonus, but the code evaluates to the two If statements below:
			If the forging-hammer does not belong to the weaponsmith, the % chance of an E.S. is 0.
			If the forging-hammer DOES belong to the weaponsmith, the % chance of an E.S. = the hammer's quality modifier.

			5. Once a Grinding attempt has been determined to be a success, an additional 1-100 RNG determines if it was actually an Extraordinary Success. The grinder's chance of an E.S is a flat 5% chance. No modifiers of any sort.

			6. At the Grinder, Rogues, Rangers and Monks have a 0 professional handicap. Max Prof handicap is 40.
			At the Forge, Warriors and Paladins have a -5 professional "handicap". Max Prof handicap is 50.
			At the Vise, Warriors and Paladins have a 0 professional handicap. Max Prof handicap is 6. (profession matters much less when assembling parts)

			7. At the vise, if the assembly is successful (Gift of Eonake provides a 2nd success roll. The better of the two is kept.) the chance of an Extraordinary Success and a quality increase is determined by a 1-100 RNG vs. (the applicable Forging skill/50),
			So the max possible is a 10% chance. A weaponsmith with an OHE forging skill of 400 would have an 8% chance of an E.S. when assembling an OHE weapon.

			- Mikos

		⚫	==Dyeing Parts of Forged Weapons==
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VANKRASN39: VANKRASN39 moved page Forging (saved posts) to Forging/saved posts: saved post reorg

2017-03-29T19:17:33Z

VANKRASN39 moved page Forging (saved posts) to Forging/saved posts: saved post reorg

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VANKRASN39: insert lsts

2016-12-13T04:18:49Z

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	\| date = 12/12/2016 11:11 AM EST		\| date = 12/12/2016 11:11 AM EST
	\| subject = Re: Bug - dyeing finished vultite blades sometimes turns them into steel		\| subject = Re: Bug - dyeing finished vultite blades sometimes turns them into steel
	}}Actually, the relationship between forging and [[dye]]ing is beyond buggy. The forging system was built back when the only means of identifying the material of a piece at the vise was via the contents of the Adjective field on the base item, and dyeing didn't exist back then. This means that by dyeing a blade you're removing its "vultite-ness". The forging system treats it as steel by default.		}}<section begin=dyeing />Actually, the relationship between forging and [[dye]]ing is beyond buggy. The forging system was built back when the only means of identifying the material of a piece at the vise was via the contents of the Adjective field on the base item, and dyeing didn't exist back then. This means that by dyeing a blade you're removing its "vultite-ness". The forging system treats it as steel by default.

	I have no information on whether the current forging system will be updated to play more nicely with dyed items or not. I expect that any changes needed would be outside the realm of what the dyeing system would be expected to cope with.		I have no information on whether the current forging system will be updated to play more nicely with dyed items or not. I expect that any changes needed would be outside the realm of what the dyeing system would be expected to cope with.
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	You're welcome to assist and ask the Host to put in a referral to have this taken care of, and I'll keep an eye out for any such referral. Although another GM may choose to tackle this, I wouldn't expect them to.		You're welcome to assist and ask the Host to put in a referral to have this taken care of, and I'll keep an eye out for any such referral. Although another GM may choose to tackle this, I wouldn't expect them to.

	- Mikos		- Mikos<section end=dyeing />

	==Crafting Skill Use Computation==		==Crafting Skill Use Computation==