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GS4-XERAPHINA: GS4-XERAPHINA moved page Help talk:Style to Gswiki talk:Style guide: Working through pages to separate style (specific to gswiki) vs help (editing help that could be used across various wikis)

2023-10-09T20:14:08Z

GS4-XERAPHINA moved page Help talk:Style to Gswiki talk:Style guide: Working through pages to separate style (specific to gswiki) vs help (editing help that could be used across various wikis)

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VANKRASN39: requesting subsection for article titles for item script names

2022-09-03T14:56:35Z

requesting subsection for article titles for item script names

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	This is about titles with leading 'a/the'. I think it makes sense for articles which are purportedly in-universe literature to allow a leading article (as well as be fully capitalized) if it is there in the original work (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hobbit the book vs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbit the people described in the book). To make sure they are sorted correctly in each category, they can use the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#DEFAULTSORTKEY DEFAULTSORT] magic word. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 17:59, 26 July 2017 (CDT)		This is about titles with leading 'a/the'. I think it makes sense for articles which are purportedly in-universe literature to allow a leading article (as well as be fully capitalized) if it is there in the original work (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hobbit the book vs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbit the people described in the book). To make sure they are sorted correctly in each category, they can use the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#DEFAULTSORTKEY DEFAULTSORT] magic word. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 17:59, 26 July 2017 (CDT)

			== Article Titles ==

			There appears to be confusion about article titles for item pages and what should and shouldn't be capitalized. I suggest adding a section with regards to item script names. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 09:56, 3 September 2022 (CDT)

DOUG: /* Math section */ HTML Math Formula Question

2017-10-12T23:42:36Z

Math section: HTML Math Formula Question

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 ::I feel it's easier to understand slash than negative exponents, and inline <code>\textstyle</code> or <code>\tfrac</code> can be hard to read. (See also: http://jmlr.csail.mit.edu/reviewing-papers/knuth_mathematical_writing.pdf#page=21) [[User:ZHOUY1|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1|talk]]) 18:53, 19 September 2016 (CDT)
 :::pssh, what does this knuth guy know about typesetting? [[User:PFLATS|PFLATS]] ([[User talk:PFLATS|talk]]) 19:45, 19 September 2016 (CDT)
 == Definite/indefinite articles in titles ==

ZHOUY1: /* Definite/indefinite articles in titles */ new section

2017-07-26T22:59:41Z

Definite/indefinite articles in titles: new section

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	::I feel it's easier to understand slash than negative exponents, and inline <code>\textstyle</code> or <code>\tfrac</code> can be hard to read. (See also: http://jmlr.csail.mit.edu/reviewing-papers/knuth_mathematical_writing.pdf#page=21) [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 18:53, 19 September 2016 (CDT)		::I feel it's easier to understand slash than negative exponents, and inline <code>\textstyle</code> or <code>\tfrac</code> can be hard to read. (See also: http://jmlr.csail.mit.edu/reviewing-papers/knuth_mathematical_writing.pdf#page=21) [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 18:53, 19 September 2016 (CDT)
	:::pssh, what does this knuth guy know about typesetting? [[User:PFLATS\|PFLATS]] ([[User talk:PFLATS\|talk]]) 19:45, 19 September 2016 (CDT)		:::pssh, what does this knuth guy know about typesetting? [[User:PFLATS\|PFLATS]] ([[User talk:PFLATS\|talk]]) 19:45, 19 September 2016 (CDT)

			== Definite/indefinite articles in titles ==

			This is about titles with leading 'a/the'. I think it makes sense for articles which are purportedly in-universe literature to allow a leading article (as well as be fully capitalized) if it is there in the original work (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hobbit the book vs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbit the people described in the book). To make sure they are sorted correctly in each category, they can use the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#DEFAULTSORTKEY DEFAULTSORT] magic word. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 17:59, 26 July 2017 (CDT)

VANKRASN39: changes to saved posts

2017-03-10T02:47:42Z

changes to saved posts

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	It would be good to have a guideline for whether category and article section headings should use the same style as article titles. Personally I feel it would be more consistent that way going forward as it matches native wiki style better (though it's not necessary to retroactively change existing categories, which are split half and half at the moment). [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 16:14, 19 August 2015 (CDT)		It would be good to have a guideline for whether category and article section headings should use the same style as article titles. Personally I feel it would be more consistent that way going forward as it matches native wiki style better (though it's not necessary to retroactively change existing categories, which are split half and half at the moment). [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 16:14, 19 August 2015 (CDT)

			== Saved Posts ==
			I talked this over with Kaikala and she concurred, but I wanted to see if there were any strenuous objections to saved posts being turned into subpages (article name/saved posts). [[Firebird/saved posts\|Here's an example]]. I'll also be consolidating more of those pages as I go through them. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 20:47, 9 March 2017 (CST)

	== Verbs ==		== Verbs ==

ZHOUY1: /* Verbs */ formatting ideas

2017-02-10T21:33:43Z

Verbs: formatting ideas

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	:While I agree that the verb pages could be a lot nicer and I would love the pages to feed into a verb list, one of the big advantages about the "current format" (e.g. something like [[BOW (verb)]]) is that the pages are easy to make and mostly made up by copy/pasting from the game window. I feel like if we're going to move away from that and rearrange the messaging, then it should be formatted more cleanly [[User:VANKRASN39/Sandbox\|like this]]. Can we preserve the ease of the "current format" and still feed to a list? This is a considerable project and not even close to all verbs are on the wiki, are you sure about taking it on? Should we try to actually make easy format pages for all the verbs first and go from there? I don't want to discourage, I would love for it to happen, but at the same time I want to be realistic. Vanah made this [[verb list]], which I assume is an actual complete verb list. There are a lot of issues involved here, I'm sure I'll have other thoughts/changes but it's super late. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 01:03, 10 February 2017 (CST)		:While I agree that the verb pages could be a lot nicer and I would love the pages to feed into a verb list, one of the big advantages about the "current format" (e.g. something like [[BOW (verb)]]) is that the pages are easy to make and mostly made up by copy/pasting from the game window. I feel like if we're going to move away from that and rearrange the messaging, then it should be formatted more cleanly [[User:VANKRASN39/Sandbox\|like this]]. Can we preserve the ease of the "current format" and still feed to a list? This is a considerable project and not even close to all verbs are on the wiki, are you sure about taking it on? Should we try to actually make easy format pages for all the verbs first and go from there? I don't want to discourage, I would love for it to happen, but at the same time I want to be realistic. Vanah made this [[verb list]], which I assume is an actual complete verb list. There are a lot of issues involved here, I'm sure I'll have other thoughts/changes but it's super late. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 01:03, 10 February 2017 (CST)
			::Tables might be hard to format if there are many branching conditions. Output could depend on any combination of {target}, {target state}, {style}, {demeanor}, {race}, {profession}... Looking at the options, I think nested trees like the original list would be the best presentation, and they are easy to convert from the game window by putting some asterisks in front of each line. Another advantage is that we would be able to use different text formatting in the master list vs. the individual pages by wrapping the transcluded sections inside divs (with tables the native table formatting would not be as easy to override). To save on having to type FIRST PERSON etc. we can make some small templates for 1p/2p/3p like <span style="border: 1px #aaa solid; background-color: #f9f9f9; font-size: smaller">1P</span>? Or more conditional markers like <span style="border: 1px #A3BFB1 solid; background-color: #CEF2E0; font-size: smaller; font-variant: small-caps">Sylvan</span>? [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 15:33, 10 February 2017 (CST)

	== Math section ==		== Math section ==

VANKRASN39: /* Verbs */ response

2017-02-10T07:03:29Z

Verbs: response

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	For a trial I updated the [[LISTEN]] page to work like this. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 21:30, 9 February 2017 (CST)		For a trial I updated the [[LISTEN]] page to work like this. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 21:30, 9 February 2017 (CST)

			:While I agree that the verb pages could be a lot nicer and I would love the pages to feed into a verb list, one of the big advantages about the "current format" (e.g. something like [[BOW (verb)]]) is that the pages are easy to make and mostly made up by copy/pasting from the game window. I feel like if we're going to move away from that and rearrange the messaging, then it should be formatted more cleanly [[User:VANKRASN39/Sandbox\|like this]]. Can we preserve the ease of the "current format" and still feed to a list? This is a considerable project and not even close to all verbs are on the wiki, are you sure about taking it on? Should we try to actually make easy format pages for all the verbs first and go from there? I don't want to discourage, I would love for it to happen, but at the same time I want to be realistic. Vanah made this [[verb list]], which I assume is an actual complete verb list. There are a lot of issues involved here, I'm sure I'll have other thoughts/changes but it's super late. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 01:03, 10 February 2017 (CST)

	== Math section ==		== Math section ==

ZHOUY1: /* Verbs */ Update and signature

2017-02-10T03:30:13Z

Verbs: Update and signature

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			For a trial I updated the [[LISTEN]] page to work like this. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 21:30, 9 February 2017 (CST)

	== Math section ==		== Math section ==

ZHOUY1: Common style for verb pages?

2017-02-09T20:45:28Z

Common style for verb pages?

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	It would be good to have a guideline for whether category and article section headings should use the same style as article titles. Personally I feel it would be more consistent that way going forward as it matches native wiki style better (though it's not necessary to retroactively change existing categories, which are split half and half at the moment). [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 16:14, 19 August 2015 (CDT)		It would be good to have a guideline for whether category and article section headings should use the same style as article titles. Personally I feel it would be more consistent that way going forward as it matches native wiki style better (though it's not necessary to retroactively change existing categories, which are split half and half at the moment). [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 16:14, 19 August 2015 (CDT)

			== Verbs ==

			After the Sylvanfair verb list was preserved for historical reasons (let's not revisit that debate here) there hasn't been a good up-to-date master resource on verbs. With labeled section transclusion we should be able to make an improved version. It would involve some preparation work in giving the verb pages a uniform format and marking off "usage" and "info" sections to be transcluded into a master list.

			Here's a possible common style based on in-game help files. Any additional information about the verb can go below this and would not be transcluded.

			<div style="border: 1px solid black; padding: 1em; background-color: #f9f9f9">
			===BRISTLE===
			====Usage====
			''<section begin=usage />''
			*BRISTLE SELF - Bristle at yourself.
			*BRISTLE {option} - Bristle with the following options.
			*BRISTLE {target} - Bristle at someone or something.

			Where {option} is one of the following:
			:ANXIOUS EXCITED HAPPY IMPATIENT NERVOUS PROUD SATISFIED SLEEPY SMUG
			''<section end />''

			====Information====
			''<section begin=info />''

			No target:
			:STANDARD - Vanah tries to bristle, but only succeeds in grimacing.

			Self target:
			:HALF-KROLVIN - Vanah turns her head slightly and tenses up, bristling.

			Styles (Half-Krolvin only):
			:ANXIOUS - Vanah glances around, bristling with anxiety.
			:EXCITED - Vanah bristles with excitement!

			''<section end />''
			</div>

	== Math section ==		== Math section ==

PFLATS: /* Math section */

2016-09-20T00:45:26Z

Math section

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	:Any examples where you'd want a slash over a negative exponent or a <code>\textstyle</code> fraction? [[User:PFLATS\|PFLATS]] ([[User talk:PFLATS\|talk]]) 18:21, 19 September 2016 (CDT)		:Any examples where you'd want a slash over a negative exponent or a <code>\textstyle</code> fraction? [[User:PFLATS\|PFLATS]] ([[User talk:PFLATS\|talk]]) 18:21, 19 September 2016 (CDT)
	::I feel it's easier to understand slash than negative exponents, and inline <code>\textstyle</code> or <code>\tfrac</code> can be hard to read. (See also: http://jmlr.csail.mit.edu/reviewing-papers/knuth_mathematical_writing.pdf#page=21) [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 18:53, 19 September 2016 (CDT)		::I feel it's easier to understand slash than negative exponents, and inline <code>\textstyle</code> or <code>\tfrac</code> can be hard to read. (See also: http://jmlr.csail.mit.edu/reviewing-papers/knuth_mathematical_writing.pdf#page=21) [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 18:53, 19 September 2016 (CDT)
			:::pssh, what does this knuth guy know about typesetting? [[User:PFLATS\|PFLATS]] ([[User talk:PFLATS\|talk]]) 19:45, 19 September 2016 (CDT)