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INIQUITY: another dragonsfang usage ambiguity

2020-03-06T02:05:21Z

another dragonsfang usage ambiguity

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	'''Kaldsfang''' is the [[ICE age\|I.C.E. Age]] term for what was later (at least transitionally) called the Trollfang mountains and forest. While it is called "Kaldsfang" in the [[Quellbourne]] source book for [[Shadow World]], and so by the people of [[Kelfour's Landing]], in [[Saralis]] it is called the "Saral March" and in the [[Rhaya]] tongue of [[Jaiman]] (at least in later books) it is known as the "Dragonsfang." This is a point of confusion because Dragonsfang has a narrower meaning in the Quellbourne book (1989). The term Kaldsfang was converted to "Trollfang" in the De-ICEing (1995), while the forests and street labeled Dragonsfang became "Dragonsclaw". However, they are officially the "[[Dragonsclaw Mountains]]" on the play.net website, in spite of Trollfang mountains or range still being referenced in the De-ICE'd room descriptions.		'''Kaldsfang''' is the [[ICE age\|I.C.E. Age]] term for what was later (at least transitionally) called the Trollfang mountains and forest. While it is called "Kaldsfang" in the [[Quellbourne]] source book for [[Shadow World]], and so by the people of [[Kelfour's Landing]], in [[Saralis]] it is called the "Saral March" and in the [[Rhaya]] tongue of [[Jaiman]] (at least in later books) it is known as the "Dragonsfang." This is a point of confusion because Dragonsfang has a narrower meaning in the Quellbourne book (1989). The term Kaldsfang was converted to "Trollfang" in the De-ICEing (1995), while the forests and street labeled Dragonsfang became "Dragonsclaw". However, they are officially the "[[Dragonsclaw Mountains]]" on the play.net website, in spite of Trollfang mountains or range still being referenced in the De-ICE'd room descriptions.

	This inconsistency is an artifact of the De-ICE and the term "Trollfang mountains" should probably be considered intermediate or transitional, in much the same way "mein" still exists in a few places in spite of the word "glaes" ultimately being the replacement for "laen." In the Quellbourne source book the trolls resided in the "Upper Kaldsfang", ~~presumably~~ ~~the~~ ~~basis~~ of the Upper ~~and~~ ~~Lower~~ ~~designations~~.		This inconsistency is an artifact of the De-ICE and the term "Trollfang mountains" should probably be considered intermediate or transitional, in much the same way "mein" still exists in a few places in spite of the word "glaes" ultimately being the replacement for "laen." In the Quellbourne source book the trolls resided in the "Upper Kaldsfang", though refers instead to the Upper Dragonsfang in the weather tables.

	In the Quellbourne source book the Dragonsfang are actually a ''subset'' of the Kaldsfang Mountains (which is presumably [[Seoltang]], likely simply meaning "cold fangs", as it is a pidgin language.) They are the western four mountains near Claedesbrim Bay, which is now called Darkstone Bay. These are Rihtoth, Smatoth, Weytoth, and Lyftoth. They are roughly two to three miles in height. The outer mountains of Rihtoth and Lyftoth are taller than the inner mountains of Smatoth and Weytoth. Smatoth is now Sentoph, and Lyftoth is now Zeltoph. Wehntoph corresponds to the position of Rihtoth, and there is no mountain in the position of Weytoth. The unaltered phrase "dragon's fang" is still referenced near [[Glatoph]], which ~~ironically~~ is ~~incorrectly~~ ~~including~~ ~~that~~ ~~mountain~~ in ~~the~~ ~~term~~ in the ~~room~~ ~~description~~.		In the Quellbourne source book the Dragonsfang are actually a ''subset'' of the Kaldsfang Mountains (which is presumably [[Seoltang]], likely simply meaning "cold fangs", as it is a pidgin language.) They are the western four mountains near Claedesbrim Bay, which is now called Darkstone Bay. These are Rihtoth, Smatoth, Weytoth, and Lyftoth. They are roughly two to three miles in height. The outer mountains of Rihtoth and Lyftoth are taller than the inner mountains of Smatoth and Weytoth. Smatoth is now Sentoph, and Lyftoth is now Zeltoph. Wehntoph corresponds to the position of Rihtoth, and there is no mountain in the position of Weytoth. The unaltered phrase "dragon's fang" is still referenced near [[Glatoph]], which would instead be following the Lower and Upper Dragonsfang convention from the weather section.

	===Mountains===		===Mountains===

INIQUITY: re-wording for further disambiguation

2020-03-02T11:37:39Z

re-wording for further disambiguation

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			{{ICE}}
⚫	'''Kaldsfang''' is the [[ICE age\|I.C.E. Age]] term for what is ~~now~~ called the Trollfang mountains and forest ~~for the modern history of [[Elanthia]]~~. While it is called "Kaldsfang" in the [[Quellbourne]] source book for [[Shadow World]], and so by the people of [[Kelfour's Landing]], in [[Saralis]] it is called the "Saral March" and in the [[Rhaya]] tongue of [[Jaiman]] it is known as the "Dragonsfang." In ~~spite~~ of ~~ultimately~~ ~~meaning~~ ~~the~~ ~~same~~ ~~thing~~ in ~~different~~ ~~languages,~~ the term Kaldsfang was converted to "Trollfang", while the forests and street labeled Dragonsfang became "Dragonsclaw". ~~The~~ ~~unaltered~~ ~~phrase~~ ~~dragonsfang~~ is still referenced ~~near~~ ~~[[Glatoph]]~~.

		⚫	'''Kaldsfang''' is the [[ICE age\|I.C.E. Age]] term for what was later (at least transitionally) called the Trollfang mountains and forest. While it is called "Kaldsfang" in the [[Quellbourne]] source book for [[Shadow World]], and so by the people of [[Kelfour's Landing]], in [[Saralis]] it is called the "Saral March" and in the [[Rhaya]] tongue of [[Jaiman]] (at least in later books) it is known as the "Dragonsfang." This is a point of confusion because Dragonsfang has a narrower meaning in the Quellbourne book (1989). The term Kaldsfang was converted to "Trollfang" in the De-ICEing (1995), while the forests and street labeled Dragonsfang became "Dragonsclaw". However, they are officially the "[[Dragonsclaw Mountains]]" on the play.net website, in spite of Trollfang mountains or range still being referenced in the De-ICE'd room descriptions.
⚫	~~There seems to be nothing implying "kalds" meant troll.~~ In the Quellbourne source book the Dragonsfang are a subset of the Kaldsfang Mountains. They are the western four mountains near Claedesbrim Bay, which is now called Darkstone Bay. These are Rihtoth, Smatoth, Weytoth, and Lyftoth. They are roughly two to three miles in height. The outer mountains of Rihtoth and Lyftoth are taller than the inner mountains of Smatoth and Weytoth. Smatoth is now Sentoph, and Lyftoth is now Zeltoph. Wehntoph corresponds to the position of Rihtoth, and there is no mountain in the position of Weytoth.

			This inconsistency is an artifact of the De-ICE and the term "Trollfang mountains" should probably be considered intermediate or transitional, in much the same way "mein" still exists in a few places in spite of the word "glaes" ultimately being the replacement for "laen." In the Quellbourne source book the trolls resided in the "Upper Kaldsfang", presumably the basis of the Upper and Lower designations.

		⚫	In the Quellbourne source book the Dragonsfang are actually a ''subset'' of the Kaldsfang Mountains (which is presumably [[Seoltang]], likely simply meaning "cold fangs", as it is a pidgin language.) They are the western four mountains near Claedesbrim Bay, which is now called Darkstone Bay. These are Rihtoth, Smatoth, Weytoth, and Lyftoth. They are roughly two to three miles in height. The outer mountains of Rihtoth and Lyftoth are taller than the inner mountains of Smatoth and Weytoth. Smatoth is now Sentoph, and Lyftoth is now Zeltoph. Wehntoph corresponds to the position of Rihtoth, and there is no mountain in the position of Weytoth. The unaltered phrase "dragon's fang" is still referenced near [[Glatoph]], which ironically is incorrectly including that mountain in the term in the room description.

	===Mountains===		===Mountains===
	The Kaldsfang Mountains exist partly in the game, but seemingly or not obviously all of them. The originals were all [[Seoltang]]. There are some that were given new names but were disregarded, while others do not seem to be on any known list. It is theoretically possible these words are still referenced ''somewhere'', if not in the room descriptions then perhaps objects, even items in lockers or inactive accounts. In the maps of both the modern game and the I.C.E. source books there might easily be small mountains in the range that do not have established names. These were the major named mountains.		The Kaldsfang Mountains exist partly in the game, but seemingly or not obviously all of them. The originals were all [[Seoltang]]. There are some that were given new names but were disregarded, while others do not seem to be on any known list. It is theoretically possible these words are still referenced ''somewhere'', if not in the room descriptions then perhaps objects, even items in lockers or inactive accounts. In the maps of both the modern game and the I.C.E. source books there might easily be small mountains in the range that do not have established names. These were the major named mountains.
	{\| class="wikitable" {{prettytable}}		{\| class="wikitable" {{prettytable}}
	!I.C.E. Name \|\| Seoltang \|\| De-I.C.E.'d Name \|\| Exists? \|\| Modern Analog		!I.C.E. Name \|\| Seoltang \|\| De-I.C.E.'d Name \|\| Dragonsfang? \|\| Exists? \|\| Modern Analog
	\|-		\|-
	\|Rihtoth		\|Rihtoth
	\|"upright" + "mountain"		\|"upright" + "mountain"
	\|None?		\|None?
			\|Yes
	\|Maybe		\|Maybe
	\|Wehntoph		\|Wehntoph
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	\|"small" + "mountain"		\|"small" + "mountain"
	\|Sentoph		\|Sentoph
			\|Yes
	\|Yes		\|Yes
	\|Sentoph		\|Sentoph
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	\|"road/path" + "mountain"		\|"road/path" + "mountain"
	\|None		\|None
			\|Yes
	\|No		\|No
	\|None		\|None
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	\|??? + "mountain"		\|??? + "mountain"
	\|Zeltoph		\|Zeltoph
			\|Yes
	\|Yes		\|Yes
	\|Zeltoph		\|Zeltoph
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	\|"red/copper" + "mountain"		\|"red/copper" + "mountain"
	\|None?		\|None?
			\|No
	\|Maybe		\|Maybe
	\|Thanatoph (peak 1)		\|Thanatoph (peak 1)
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	\|"high/tall" + "mountain"		\|"high/tall" + "mountain"
	\|Zeltoph		\|Zeltoph
			\|No
	\|Maybe		\|Maybe
	\|Thanatoph (peak 2)		\|Thanatoph (peak 2)
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	\|"blown" + "mountain"		\|"blown" + "mountain"
	\|Glatoph		\|Glatoph
			\|No (*)
	\|Yes		\|Yes
	\|Glatoph		\|Glatoph
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	\|Straketoth		\|Straketoth
	\|"strike/ore-vein" + "mountain"		\|"strike/ore-vein" + "mountain"
	\|None (*)		\|None (**)
			\|No
	\|No		\|No
	\|None		\|None
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	\|"poison/bitter" + "mountain"		\|"poison/bitter" + "mountain"
	\|Keltoph		\|Keltoph
			\|No
	\|No		\|No
	\|None		\|None
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	\|"far/isolated/fear" + "mountain"		\|"far/isolated/fear" + "mountain"
	\|Startoph		\|Startoph
			\|No
	\|No		\|No
	\|None		\|None
	\|}		\|}
			''(*) Blototh is not one of the four Dragonsfang mountains. However, it is called the easternmost one in the game itself, similar to the apocryphal Rhaya usage.''<br>
	''(*) In theory "straketoth" would be "straektoph", as "strake" terms were listed as "straek." Lyftoth and Hetoth were inconsistently changed.		''(**) In theory "straketoth" would be "straektoph", as "strake" terms were listed as "straek." Lyftoth and Hetoth were inconsistently changed.

	Straektoph, Keltoph, and Startoph would theoretically be on the north side of Darkstone Bay, in the Seolfar Strake (Modern: [[Lysierian Hills]]) region past the part of the map we can visit. This would be the peninsula still represented on the maps without any detail. However, the island with Feortoth (Startoph) is no longer present, which is where the [[Shaaljin]] (Modern: Zhaolmin) monks primarily resided.		Straektoph, Keltoph, and Startoph would theoretically be on the north side of Darkstone Bay, in the Seolfar Strake (Modern: [[Lysierian Hills]]) region past the part of the map we can visit. This would be the peninsula still represented on the maps without any detail. However, the island with Feortoth (Startoph) is no longer present, which is where the [[Shaaljin]] (Modern: Zhaolmin) monks primarily resided.

INIQUITY: /* Mountains */

2019-08-01T05:11:03Z

Mountains

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	\|Hetoth		\|Hetoth
	\|"high/tall" + "mountain"		\|"high/tall" + "mountain"
			\|Zeltoph
	\|None?
	\|Maybe		\|Maybe
	\|Thanatoph (peak 2)		\|Thanatoph (peak 2)
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	\|None		\|None
	\|}		\|}
	''(*) In theory "straketoth" would be "straektoph", as "strake" terms were listed as "straek."		''(*) In theory "straketoth" would be "straektoph", as "strake" terms were listed as "straek." Lyftoth and Hetoth were inconsistently changed.

	Straektoph, Keltoph, and Startoph would theoretically be on the north side of Darkstone Bay, in the Seolfar Strake (Modern: [[Lysierian Hills]]) region past the part of the map we can visit. This would be the peninsula still represented on the maps without any detail. However, the island with Feortoth (Startoph) is no longer present, which is where the [[Shaaljin]] (Modern: Zhaolmin) monks primarily resided.		Straektoph, Keltoph, and Startoph would theoretically be on the north side of Darkstone Bay, in the Seolfar Strake (Modern: [[Lysierian Hills]]) region past the part of the map we can visit. This would be the peninsula still represented on the maps without any detail. However, the island with Feortoth (Startoph) is no longer present, which is where the [[Shaaljin]] (Modern: Zhaolmin) monks primarily resided.

INIQUITY: bts: lyftoth/hetoth issue

2019-08-01T04:17:23Z

bts: lyftoth/hetoth issue

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	==Behind the Scenes==		==Behind the Scenes==
	In the later Shadow World lore for the [[Xa-ar]] peninsula there is [http://return-of-the-long-night.obsidianportal.com/wikis/xa-ar mention] that some parts of the Kaldsfang mountains reach down into the demonic [[Ash Lairs]].		In the later Shadow World lore for the [[Xa-ar]] peninsula there is [http://return-of-the-long-night.obsidianportal.com/wikis/xa-ar mention] that some parts of the Kaldsfang mountains reach down into the demonic [[Ash Lairs]]. In the Quellbourne book from 1989 the gnoll lair of Stonehold (Modern: [[Cavernhold]]) is near Hetoth, not Lyftoth. The foothills of Upper Trollfang shows Zeltoph to the south, but then by Cavernhold says "you have made your way far to the east and are now directly south of Zeltoph Mountain." This may be internally inconsistent, and is inconsistent with the source material. It might be Lyftoth and Hetoth both being turned into Zeltoph. Neither are on lists.

	[[Category:ICE Age]]		[[Category:ICE Age]]

INIQUITY: add chart of mountains, explain dragonsfang vs. kaldsfang

2019-07-31T13:25:27Z

add chart of mountains, explain dragonsfang vs. kaldsfang

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	'''Kaldsfang''' is the [[ICE age\|I.C.E. Age]] term for what is now called the Trollfang mountains and forest for the modern history of [[Elanthia]]. While it is called "Kaldsfang" in the [[Quellbourne]] source book for [[Shadow World]], and so by the people of [[Kelfour's Landing]], in [[Saralis]] it is called the "Saral March" and in the [[Rhaya]] tongue of [[Jaiman]] it is known as the "Dragonsfang." In spite of ultimately meaning the same thing in different languages, the term Kaldsfang was converted to "Trollfang", while the forests and street labeled Dragonsfang became "Dragonsclaw". The unaltered phrase dragonsfang is still referenced near [[Glatoph]].		'''Kaldsfang''' is the [[ICE age\|I.C.E. Age]] term for what is now called the Trollfang mountains and forest for the modern history of [[Elanthia]]. While it is called "Kaldsfang" in the [[Quellbourne]] source book for [[Shadow World]], and so by the people of [[Kelfour's Landing]], in [[Saralis]] it is called the "Saral March" and in the [[Rhaya]] tongue of [[Jaiman]] it is known as the "Dragonsfang." In spite of ultimately meaning the same thing in different languages, the term Kaldsfang was converted to "Trollfang", while the forests and street labeled Dragonsfang became "Dragonsclaw". The unaltered phrase dragonsfang is still referenced near [[Glatoph]].

			There seems to be nothing implying "kalds" meant troll. In the Quellbourne source book the Dragonsfang are a subset of the Kaldsfang Mountains. They are the western four mountains near Claedesbrim Bay, which is now called Darkstone Bay. These are Rihtoth, Smatoth, Weytoth, and Lyftoth. They are roughly two to three miles in height. The outer mountains of Rihtoth and Lyftoth are taller than the inner mountains of Smatoth and Weytoth. Smatoth is now Sentoph, and Lyftoth is now Zeltoph. Wehntoph corresponds to the position of Rihtoth, and there is no mountain in the position of Weytoth.

			===Mountains===
			The Kaldsfang Mountains exist partly in the game, but seemingly or not obviously all of them. The originals were all [[Seoltang]]. There are some that were given new names but were disregarded, while others do not seem to be on any known list. It is theoretically possible these words are still referenced ''somewhere'', if not in the room descriptions then perhaps objects, even items in lockers or inactive accounts. In the maps of both the modern game and the I.C.E. source books there might easily be small mountains in the range that do not have established names. These were the major named mountains.
			{\| class="wikitable" {{prettytable}}
			!I.C.E. Name \|\| Seoltang \|\| De-I.C.E.'d Name \|\| Exists? \|\| Modern Analog
			\|-
			\|Rihtoth
			\|"upright" + "mountain"
			\|None?
			\|Maybe
			\|Wehntoph
			\|-
			\|Smatoth
			\|"small" + "mountain"
			\|Sentoph
			\|Yes
			\|Sentoph
			\|-
			\|Weytoth
			\|"road/path" + "mountain"
			\|None
			\|No
			\|None
			\|-
			\|Lyftoth
			\|??? + "mountain"
			\|Zeltoph
			\|Yes
			\|Zeltoph
			\|-
			\|Rototh
			\|"red/copper" + "mountain"
			\|None?
			\|Maybe
			\|Thanatoph (peak 1)
			\|-
			\|Hetoth
			\|"high/tall" + "mountain"
			\|None?
			\|Maybe
			\|Thanatoph (peak 2)
			\|-
			\|Blototh
			\|"blown" + "mountain"
			\|Glatoph
			\|Yes
			\|Glatoph
			\|-
			\|Straketoth
			\|"strike/ore-vein" + "mountain"
			\|None (*)
			\|No
			\|None
			\|-
			\|Galtoth
			\|"poison/bitter" + "mountain"
			\|Keltoph
			\|No
			\|None
			\|-
			\|Feortoth
			\|"far/isolated/fear" + "mountain"
			\|Startoph
			\|No
			\|None
			\|}
			''(*) In theory "straketoth" would be "straektoph", as "strake" terms were listed as "straek."

			Straektoph, Keltoph, and Startoph would theoretically be on the north side of Darkstone Bay, in the Seolfar Strake (Modern: [[Lysierian Hills]]) region past the part of the map we can visit. This would be the peninsula still represented on the maps without any detail. However, the island with Feortoth (Startoph) is no longer present, which is where the [[Shaaljin]] (Modern: Zhaolmin) monks primarily resided.

	==Behind the Scenes==		==Behind the Scenes==

INIQUITY: alter wording on the point of dragonsfang <--> dragonsclaw

2019-01-12T07:32:51Z

alter wording on the point of dragonsfang <--> dragonsclaw

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	'''Kaldsfang''' is the [[ICE age\|I.C.E. Age]] term for what is now called the Trollfang mountains and forest for the modern history of [[Elanthia]]. While it is called "Kaldsfang" in the [[Quellbourne]] source book for [[Shadow World]], and so by the people of [[Kelfour's Landing]], in [[Saralis]] it is called the "Saral March" and in the [[Rhaya]] tongue of [[Jaiman]] it is known as the "Dragonsfang." ~~The~~ ~~term~~ ~~Kaldsfang~~ ~~was~~ ~~converted~~ ~~inconsistently.~~ ~~The Kaldsfang~~ ~~forest~~ in ~~some~~ ~~parts became~~ the ~~Dragonsclaw,~~ ~~and~~ ~~other~~ ~~parts~~ ~~the~~ Trollfang as the ~~trolls~~ ~~lived~~ in ~~the~~ ~~Kaldsfang,~~ ~~while~~ ~~the~~ phrase dragonsfang is still referenced near [[Glatoph]].		'''Kaldsfang''' is the [[ICE age\|I.C.E. Age]] term for what is now called the Trollfang mountains and forest for the modern history of [[Elanthia]]. While it is called "Kaldsfang" in the [[Quellbourne]] source book for [[Shadow World]], and so by the people of [[Kelfour's Landing]], in [[Saralis]] it is called the "Saral March" and in the [[Rhaya]] tongue of [[Jaiman]] it is known as the "Dragonsfang." In spite of ultimately meaning the same thing in different languages, the term Kaldsfang was converted to "Trollfang", while the forests and street labeled Dragonsfang became "Dragonsclaw". The unaltered phrase dragonsfang is still referenced near [[Glatoph]].

	==Behind the Scenes==		==Behind the Scenes==

INIQUITY: new

2018-01-29T02:04:25Z

new

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'''Kaldsfang''' is the [[ICE age|I.C.E. Age]] term for what is now called the Trollfang mountains and forest for the modern history of [[Elanthia]]. While it is called "Kaldsfang" in the [[Quellbourne]] source book for [[Shadow World]], and so by the people of [[Kelfour's Landing]], in [[Saralis]] it is called the "Saral March" and in the [[Rhaya]] tongue of [[Jaiman]] it is known as the "Dragonsfang." The term Kaldsfang was converted inconsistently. The Kaldsfang forest in some parts became the Dragonsclaw, and other parts the Trollfang as the trolls lived in the Kaldsfang, while the phrase dragonsfang is still referenced near [[Glatoph]].

==Behind the Scenes==
In the later Shadow World lore for the [[Xa-ar]] peninsula there is [http://return-of-the-long-night.obsidianportal.com/wikis/xa-ar mention] that some parts of the Kaldsfang mountains reach down into the demonic [[Ash Lairs]].

[[Category:ICE Age]]