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	This answer will be a mix of the above two sections.		This answer will be a mix of the above two sections.

	Transcend Destiny is an Elite Ascension skill (actually the only one at the time of this writing) which simulates increasing the character's level for most combat purposes: ambush offense and defense, auto-success spells, CS (Casting Strength), EBP (Evade/Block/Parry) rates, Force on Force protection, sheer fear protection, SMR (Standard Maneuver Roll) offense and defense, SSR (Standard Success Resolution) offense and defense, stealth for rogues only, TD (Target Defense), TWC (Two Weapon Combat) offhand hit rates, and UC (Unarmed Combat) tier up chances.		Transcend Destiny is an Elite Ascension skill (actually the only one at the time of this writing) which simulates increasing the character's level for most combat purposes:

			* Ambush offense and defense
			* Auto-success spells' level comparison check
			* CS (Casting Strength)
			* EBP (Evade/Block/Parry) rates
			* Force on Force protection
			* Sheer fear protection
			* SMR (Standard Maneuver Roll) offense and defense
			* SSR (Standard Success Resolution) offense and defense
			* Stealth for rogues only
			* TD (Target Defense)
			* TWC (Two Weapon Combat) offhand hit rates
			* UC (Unarmed Combat) tier up chances

	Obviously this is enormously powerful for every profession and build other than maybe wizards, for whom it's merely very powerful. However, this sheer power is offset by the fact that you need 150 ATPs spent in Common Ascension to unlock the ability to train it, then another 10 ATPs to train the first rank, then 20 for the second, then 30, then 40, and then 50 ATPs each for the final six ranks. Assuming you have all 10 Ascension milestones, that's 7,500,000 Ascension exp to train the first Transcend Destiny rank.		Obviously this is enormously powerful for every profession and build other than maybe wizards, for whom it's merely very powerful. However, this sheer power is offset by the fact that you need 150 ATPs spent in Common Ascension to unlock the ability to train it, then another 10 ATPs to train the first rank, then 20 for the second, then 30, then 40, and then 50 ATPs each for the final six ranks. Assuming you have all 10 Ascension milestones, that's 7,500,000 Ascension exp to train the first Transcend Destiny rank.

	~~All of this is to say that, for~~ the most part, the point at which you should temporarily leave normal exp to train Transcend Destiny lines up with when you should leave normal exp behind forever. As powerful as Transcend Destiny is, it's not nearly as powerful as a cap's worth of normal exp sunk into core skills that demand to be finished. Unlike old-style capped hunting grounds, you're not going to thrive (survive, ''maybe,'' but not thrive) in a new-style Ascension hunting ground running in with no Dodging on your pure or 1x spells on your semi.		For the most part, the point at which you should temporarily leave normal exp to train Transcend Destiny lines up with when you should leave normal exp behind forever. As powerful as Transcend Destiny is, it's still not nearly as powerful as a cap's worth of normal exp sunk into core skills that demand to be finished. Unlike old-style capped hunting grounds, you're not going to thrive (survive, ''maybe,'' but not thrive) in a new-style Ascension hunting ground running in with no Dodging on your pure or 1x spells on your semi.

		⚫	Still, you might be able to find exceptions and reasons to push for Transcend Destiny earlier. One possible exception is a non-stealth UC build. Of all the Transcend Destiny perks, the improved UC tier up chance is arguably the most powerful because, unlike everything else on the list besides auto-success level comparisons, it can't be improved by other means like enhancives, gear, or Common Ascension. I'd potentially agree with prioritizing Ascension exp for Transcend Destiny sooner for non-stealth UC than anything else.

		⚫	Another possible exception is that if (and this is a gigantic if) A) you have the means to acquire five good Gemstones and B) even the fourth and fifth slots will be filled with useful properties for you, then it's serendipitous that 7,500,000 Ascension exp happens to allow unlocking the fifth Gemstone slot ''and'' allow training Transcend Destiny.
⚫	Still, you ~~can~~ ~~find~~ ~~exceptions.~~ I ~~can~~ ~~only~~ ~~think~~ of ~~two,~~ ~~but~~ ~~there~~ ~~might~~ be ~~others~~. ~~The~~ ~~first~~ is ~~that,~~ of all the Transcend Destiny perks, the improved UC tier up chance is arguably the most powerful because it can't be improved ~~with~~ enhancives, gear, or Common Ascension. ~~On a non-stealth UC build,~~ I'd potentially agree with prioritizing Ascension exp for Transcend Destiny ~~faster~~ ~~than~~ ~~any~~ ~~other~~ ~~build~~.

			Overall, like with the above two sections, you also need to know yourself. How attainable is 7.5 million Ascension exp? In what time frame? What are the alternatives to pushing for Transcend Destiny? These answers will guide you!
⚫	~~The~~ ~~second~~ exception is that if (and this is a gigantic if) A) you have the means to acquire five good Gemstones and B) even the fourth and fifth slots will be filled with useful properties for you, then it's serendipitous that 7,500,000 Ascension exp happens to allow unlocking the fifth Gemstone slot ''and'' allow training Transcend Destiny.


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	==Quick Wins and Thresholds==		==Quick Wins and Thresholds==

	Let's say you're only sinking points into the Common tier because that's a prerequisite to unlocking skills in the higher tiers, such as Transcend Destiny ~~in Elite~~. Some skills are obvious choices, like 250k exp into weapons or Spell Aiming for a quick +5 AS, but here are some less obvious things I'd be looking at:		Let's say you're only sinking points into the Common tier because that's a prerequisite to unlocking skills in the higher tiers, such as Transcend Destiny. Some skills are obvious choices, like 250k exp into weapons or Spell Aiming for a quick +5 AS, but here are some less obvious things I'd be looking at:

	* '''Quick win''': 200k exp into Dexterity and 100k exp into Agility (or vice versa) <font color="blue">reduces the RT of mstrikes or weapon techniques</font> by 1 for any of the following races if they have 100 non-Ascended, non-enhanced Agility and Dexterity: aelotoi, dark elves, forest gnomes, half-elves, sylvans, erithians, and humans.		* '''Quick win''': 200k exp into Dexterity and 100k exp into Agility (or vice versa) <font color="blue">reduces the RT of mstrikes or weapon techniques</font> by 1 for any of the following races if they have 100 non-Ascended, non-enhanced Agility and Dexterity: aelotoi, dark elves, forest gnomes, half-elves, sylvans, erithians, and humans.

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	Recording my musings on how to most effectively train ATPs as the thoughts come to me.		Recording my musings on how to most effectively train ATPs as the thoughts come to me.

	'''Last updated ~~September~~ 1, ~~2024~~:''' ~~Overhaul~~ to ~~various~~ ~~older~~ ~~sections~~.		'''Last updated July 11, 2025:''' New sections about Transcend Destiny and Gemstone slots.


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	The above also hasn't factored in the opportunity cost of not having put those points elsewhere. For the same amount of ATPs, you could have an additional 10 AS, 5 CS for most professions, +5% chance for another damage cycle on Spike Thorn, regenerate 10 more stamina per minute, etc.		The above also hasn't factored in the opportunity cost of not having put those points elsewhere. For the same amount of ATPs, you could have an additional 10 AS, 5 CS for most professions, +5% chance for another damage cycle on Spike Thorn, regenerate 10 more stamina per minute, etc.

	All of that said, Logic becomes a more appealing choice if you have additional reasons to train it, like improving enchanting on a wizard or improving Minor Mental CS for a monk. Improved exp gain is also a benefit that the Transcend Destiny Elite skill doesn't offer, which gives it some allure as a sink for 15, 50, or ~~130~~ of the 150 ATPs you need to spend somewhere in the Common tier before Transcend Destiny unlocks. (Those are the ATP requirements for, respectively, 10, 20, and 30 ranks of Logic.)		All of that said, Logic becomes a more appealing choice if you have additional reasons to train it, like improving enchanting on a wizard or improving Minor Mental CS for a monk. Improved exp gain is also a benefit that the Transcend Destiny Elite skill doesn't offer, which gives it some allure as a sink for 15, 50, or 105 of the 150 ATPs that you need to spend somewhere in the Common tier before Transcend Destiny unlocks. (Those are the ATP requirements for, respectively, 10, 20, and 30 ranks of Logic.)

	A more subtle point is that you can also use fixskills to either get into Logic, since it only does anything at specific thresholds, or get ''out'' of Logic after it's gained some exp for you a while. Whether that seems attractive might depend on how often you expect to use fixskills in any given year.		A more subtle point is that you can also use fixskills to either get into Logic, since it only does anything at specific thresholds, or get ''out'' of Logic after it's gained some exp for you a while. Whether that seems attractive might depend on how often you expect to use fixskills in any given year.
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	==When is it Better to Train a Skill Through Ascension Exp Than Normal Exp?==		==When is it Better to Train a Skill Through Ascension Exp Than Normal Exp?==

	Short answer: Never. Any skill you intend to work on in Ascension should be finished in normal exp first.		'''Short answer:''' Never. Any skill you intend to work on in Ascension should be finished in normal exp first.

	Long answer: Basically never. The only areas where it might make sense are so niche that they'll apply to almost nobody. If you can even think of them--and, yes, they exist--without my describing what they are and illustrating over several paragraphs just how obscure a corner case it would be, then you don't need this guide.		'''Long answer:''' Basically never. The only areas where it might make sense are so niche that they'll apply to almost nobody. If you can even think of them--and, yes, they exist--without my describing what they are and illustrating over several paragraphs just how obscure a corner case it would be, then you probably don't need this guide.

	For everyone else, let's carry on!		For everyone else, let's carry on!
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	==When Should ~~Each~~ ~~Profession~~ ~~Put~~ ~~100%~~ ~~Experience~~ ~~Into Ascension~~?==		==When Should I Leave Normal Exp Behind Forever?==

	In other words, when are you "done enough" with normal skills to call it a day?

	I'd typically assume that it's not until at least 2.5x to 3x cap for most characters, if not 4x cap or possibly even further. My general assumptions are:		I'd typically assume that it's not until at least 2.5x to 3x cap for most characters, if not 4x cap or possibly even further. My general assumptions are:

	* You're interested in maxing straightforward offensive and defensive skills.		* You're interested in maxing straightforward offensive and defensive skills.
	* You're interested in maxing threshold skills, like Armor Use for specializations or mana controls for ~~MANA~~ ~~SPELLUP~~ ~~uses~~.		* You're interested in maxing threshold skills, like Armor Use for specializations or mana controls for characters who use them in profession services.
	* You aren't necessarily interested in beneficial tertiary skills like First Aid, Survival, Trading, Magic Item Use or Arcane Symbols on squares and semis, etc.		* You aren't necessarily interested in beneficial tertiary skills like First Aid, Survival, Trading, Magic Item Use or Arcane Symbols on squares and semis, etc.
	* You aren't necessarily interested in beneficial but long grinds like 303 Harness Power on pures, 1x Dodging on pures, spells on warriors or even rogues, 2x Dodging ''plus'' 2x Combat Maneuvers on rangers and bards, 2x Perception on non-archers, etc.		* You aren't necessarily interested in beneficial but long grinds like 303 Harness Power on pures, 1x Dodging on pures, spells on warriors or even rogues, 2x Dodging ''plus'' 2x Combat Maneuvers on rangers and bards, 2x Perception on non-archers, etc.
	* You aren't necessarily interested in training secondary weapon types on squares and semis to have a rotation of weapon techniques available.		* You aren't necessarily interested in training secondary weapon types on squares and semis to have a rotation of weapon techniques available.

	Under these conditions, 2.5x to 3x cap is around were you'll land on any profession other than a monk (who could be done as early as 2x or potentially even 1.5x cap). However, '''everything depends''' on your goals, builds, playstyle, stat placement, and skill choices. You have to plug your own numbers into any of the up-to-date character planners floating around the community.		Under these conditions, 2.5x to 3x cap is around were you'll land on any profession other than a monk (who could be done as early as 2x or potentially even 1.5x cap) or perhaps a Kroderine Soul warrior. However, '''everything depends''' on your goals, builds, playstyle, stat placement, and skill choices. You have to plug your own numbers into any of the up-to-date character planners floating around the community.



			==When Should I Temporarily Leave Normal Exp Behind To Unlock Additional Gemstone Slots?==

			This section assumes that you don't want to wait until you're fully done with normal exp; you'll take a break to unlock Gemstone slots, then go back and finish normal exp later.

			Like the above question, '''everything depends''' on your specific character. In this case, there's also a new factor of your silver supply to acquire good Gemstones. Assuming you can afford them, the general methodology is to review the [[Gemstone Property List]] and compare the properties to what you could get for the equivalent exp.

			Generally speaking, even very high end Gemstones won't compete with maxing out core offensive and defensive skills like Combat Maneuvers (on squares and semis), Dodging (on anyone), or spells (on pures, rangers, and bards). There's simply no substitute for these fundamental skills. However, maxing lores at 2x (on pures and paladins) or Multi-Opponent Combat at 2x (on warriors and monks) would be more comparable and it can be worth taking a detour into Ascension exp before finishing those.

			I highly recommend against speedrunning toward 4.5 or 7.5 million Ascension experience ''if'' you're doing it ''only'' for the fourth and fifth Gemstone slots. The second and third slots at 1 and 2.5 million Ascension experience are more attainable exp-wise, much cheaper silver-wise, and, most importantly, they'll generally be filled with several of your top picks of Gemstone properties. By the time you get to your fourth slot, most or possibly even all of your top picks should have been in your first three slots and you'll just be filling out "the best of the rest" from there.



			==When Should I Temporarily Leave Normal Exp Behind To Unlock Transcend Destiny?==

			This answer will be a mix of the above two sections.

			Transcend Destiny is an Elite Ascension skill (actually the only one at the time of this writing) which simulates increasing the character's level for most combat purposes: ambush offense and defense, auto-success spells, CS (Casting Strength), EBP (Evade/Block/Parry) rates, Force on Force protection, sheer fear protection, SMR (Standard Maneuver Roll) offense and defense, SSR (Standard Success Resolution) offense and defense, stealth for rogues only, TD (Target Defense), TWC (Two Weapon Combat) offhand hit rates, and UC (Unarmed Combat) tier up chances.

			Obviously this is enormously powerful for every profession and build other than maybe wizards, for whom it's merely very powerful. However, this sheer power is offset by the fact that you need 150 ATPs spent in Common Ascension to unlock the ability to train it, then another 10 ATPs to train the first rank, then 20 for the second, then 30, then 40, and then 50 ATPs each for the final six ranks. Assuming you have all 10 Ascension milestones, that's 7,500,000 Ascension exp to train the first Transcend Destiny rank.

			All of this is to say that, for the most part, the point at which you should temporarily leave normal exp to train Transcend Destiny lines up with when you should leave normal exp behind forever. As powerful as Transcend Destiny is, it's not nearly as powerful as a cap's worth of normal exp sunk into core skills that demand to be finished. Unlike old-style capped hunting grounds, you're not going to thrive (survive, ''maybe,'' but not thrive) in a new-style Ascension hunting ground running in with no Dodging on your pure or 1x spells on your semi.

			Still, you can find exceptions. I can only think of two, but there might be others. The first is that, of all the Transcend Destiny perks, the improved UC tier up chance is arguably the most powerful because it can't be improved with enhancives, gear, or Common Ascension. On a non-stealth UC build, I'd potentially agree with prioritizing Ascension exp for Transcend Destiny faster than any other build.

			The second exception is that if (and this is a gigantic if) A) you have the means to acquire five good Gemstones and B) even the fourth and fifth slots will be filled with useful properties for you, then it's serendipitous that 7,500,000 Ascension exp happens to allow unlocking the fifth Gemstone slot ''and'' allow training Transcend Destiny.

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	Recording my musings on how to most effectively train ATPs as the thoughts come to me.		Recording my musings on how to most effectively train ATPs as the thoughts come to me.

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	I can lay out the math, but assessing the right moves to make is up to you. It's your character and your choices. Again, I do believe that Logic is for everybody... ''eventually.'' For some, that might be exceedingly early. For most people, though, I'd say this: when you look at one of the tables on this page or through the in-game ASCENSION command and simply can't fathom grinding X experience to gain benefit Y, then maybe, just maybe, that's your cue to train Logic.		I can lay out the math, but assessing the right moves to make is up to you. It's your character and your choices. Again, I do believe that Logic is for everybody... ''eventually.'' For some, that might be exceedingly early. For most people, though, I'd say this: when you look at one of the tables on this page or through the in-game ASCENSION command and simply can't fathom grinding X experience to gain benefit Y, then maybe, just maybe, that's your cue to train Logic.



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LEAFIARA at 05:45, 10 January 2023

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			'''Last updated January 9, 2023:''' Minor update to make sure the header in the Dexterity vs. Spell Aiming/Picking Locks section also mentions Ranged Weapons!
	'''Last updated March 23, 2022: Obscure Options section added.'''


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	==Efficient Ranks of Dexterity vs. Spell Aiming (or Picking Locks)==		==Efficient Ranks of Dexterity vs. Spell Aiming (or Ranged Weapons or Picking Locks)==

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	And so on. (The same math also applies to improving Picking Locks instead of Spell Aiming.) When rates are equal, I'd give Dexterity priority because it also improves SMRv2 defense (albeit in a very minor way) or mstrike RT. SA does offer runestaff DS or spellburst protection, though. (Albeit in very minor ways here too.)		And so on. (The same math also applies to improving Picking Locks instead of Spell Aiming.) When rates are equal, I'd give Dexterity priority because it also improves SMRv2 defense (albeit in a very minor way) or mstrike RT. SA does offer runestaff DS or spellburst protection, though. (Albeit in very minor ways here too.)

	Improving Ranged AS is similar, except add Ambush into the rotation (alongside Ranged and Dexterity) at a cost of 100k for the first point of AS from two ranks (assuming a character with 202 Ambush ranks), then 250k for the next point of AS from four ranks, then 400k for the next point of AS from four ranks. After that it scales up to 600k, so it gets well beyond the scaling shown above; you'd be training Ranged and Dexterity for quite a while longer before going back to Ambush.		Improving Ranged AS is similar, except add Ambush into the rotation (alongside Ranged and Dexterity) at a cost of 100k for the first point of AS from two ranks (assuming a character with 202 Ambush ranks), then 250k for the next point of AS from four more ranks, then 400k for the next point of AS from four more ranks. After that it scales up to 600k, so it gets well beyond the scaling shown above; you'd be training Ranged and Dexterity for quite a while longer before going back to Ambush.

	(Note: while Ambush continues adding to ranged AS past 202 ranks, Perception ranks don't.)		(Note: while Ambush continues adding to ranged AS past 202 ranks, Perception ranks don't.)
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	As I write this, it's been about fourteen months since I made this page in June 2020, when we learned how ATPs were going to work. Since then, Ascension itself has been out for nearly eleven months and a few people have raised the point on the Discord mechanics channel that I've skipped over the possibility that someone could train Logic and fixskill out of it later.		As I write this, it's been about fourteen months since I made this page in June 2020, when we learned how ATPs were going to work. Since then, Ascension itself has been out for nearly eleven months and a few people have raised the point on the Discord mechanics channel that I've skipped over the possibility that someone could train Logic and fixskill out of it later.

	I can't remember if that fact was even known in the initial flurry of info. Regardless, I think their point is that training ~~Logic~~ isn't permanent, so you can benefit from +1 exp for as long as you want and fixskill out of it later. Conversely, you can fixskill ''into'' Logic after having trained other benefits first.		I can't remember if that fact (of being able to fixskill out of ATPs) was even known in the initial flurry of info. Regardless, I think their point is that training any Ascension skill isn't permanent, so you can benefit from +1 exp for as long as you want and fixskill out of it later. Conversely, you can fixskill ''into'' Logic after having trained other benefits first.

	First, I'll point out that I've never said "don't ever train Logic with ATPs." My overarching point was:		First, I'll point out that I've never said "don't ever train Logic with ATPs." My overarching point was:

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	'''Last ~~revised~~ ~~September~~ 28, ~~2021~~.'''		'''Last updated March 23, 2022: Obscure Options section added.'''


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	==New Lore Considerations: Bards==		==New Lore Considerations: Bards==

	'''IMPORTANT: this section ~~is about to~~ be rendered moot by the ~~current~~ bard review. ~~Advice here is now immaterial!~~'''		'''IMPORTANT: this section will be rendered moot in the future by the bard review.'''

	Assuming a typical bard mental lore split of 75 Manipulation (for Song of Sonic Disruption) and 26 Telepathy (because that's the remainder), it's possible to reduce non-Ascension Manipulation lore by 14 ranks, move them into Telepathy, then put 1.35 million exp into ATPs to regain the lost Manipulation and restore the full power of Song of Sonic Disruption.		Assuming a typical bard mental lore split of 75 Manipulation (for Song of Sonic Disruption) and 26 Telepathy (because that's the remainder), it's possible to reduce non-Ascension Manipulation lore by 14 ranks, move them into Telepathy, then put 1.35 million exp into ATPs to regain the lost Manipulation and restore the full power of Song of Sonic Disruption.
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	There are also benefits to Song of Peace, Song of Rage, and Song of Depression, but I'd consider them really minor given that we're talking about a capped bard with skills set to use Song of Sonic Disruption.		There are also benefits to Song of Peace, Song of Rage, and Song of Depression, but I'd consider them really minor given that we're talking about a capped bard with skills set to use Song of Sonic Disruption.



			==Obscure Options==

			While Ascension training options like improving AS, CS, DS, profession services, or encumbrance are obvious picks of what to do with ATPs, here are other things I've been training on some of my characters.

			* For bards who purify gems in large batches, Mana Regeneration might be more useful than it would normally be for others. I still don't think it's worth going beyond 5 ranks due to opportunity cost, though, for reasons laid out in the section above about Mana Regeneration vs. Harness Power.
			* For empaths, possibly more than any other, training resistances can be very helpful since any reduction in wounds taken also means a reduction in time and mana spent on self-healing. This can even go so far as removing the resource cost entirely if they have enough Blessings lore to really power Troll's Blood.
			* For paladins, Spirit Mana Control can reach new thresholds of how many charges of spells can be infused into their bonded weapon. Speaking of infusion, Spell Aiming is a more reasonable option than it might initially seem due to Aura of the Arkati's DS reduction pairing surprisingly well with even a paladin's modest bolt AS if you have the post-cap experience to support it.

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	Improving Ranged AS is similar, except add Ambush into the rotation (alongside Ranged and Dexterity) at a cost of 100k for the first point of AS from two ranks (assuming a character with 202 Ambush ranks), then 250k for the next point of AS from four ranks, then 400k for the next point of AS from four ranks. After that it scales up to 600k, so it gets well beyond the scaling shown above; you'd be training Ranged and Dexterity for quite a while longer before going back to Ambush.		Improving Ranged AS is similar, except add Ambush into the rotation (alongside Ranged and Dexterity) at a cost of 100k for the first point of AS from two ranks (assuming a character with 202 Ambush ranks), then 250k for the next point of AS from four ranks, then 400k for the next point of AS from four ranks. After that it scales up to 600k, so it gets well beyond the scaling shown above; you'd be training Ranged and Dexterity for quite a while longer before going back to Ambush.

	(Note: while Ambush continues adding to ranged AS past 202 ranks, Perception don't.)		(Note: while Ambush continues adding to ranged AS past 202 ranks, Perception ranks don't.)

	If you're close to a threshold of your combined Intuition bonus and Wisdom bonus being a multiple of 6, investing some ATPs into those can be worthwhile for an archer or magic bolter for additional crit weighting, [[Ranged_Weapons#Critical_Weighting\|as displayed in the tables here]] (for ranged) [[Bolt_spell#Critical_Weighting\|and here]] (for bolting).		If you're close to a threshold of your combined Intuition bonus and Wisdom bonus being a multiple of 6, investing some ATPs into those can be worthwhile for an archer or magic bolter for additional crit weighting, [[Ranged_Weapons#Critical_Weighting\|as displayed in the tables here]] (for ranged) [[Bolt_spell#Critical_Weighting\|and here]] (for bolting).

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	\|\|150k\|\|800k\|\|Service Stat A\|\|2\|\|+1 ~~enchant/sanctify~~ ~~ceiling~~\|\|150k		\|\|150k\|\|800k\|\|Service Stat A\|\|2\|\|+1 skill bonus\|\|150k
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
	\|\|1m\|\|10.75m\|\|Service Stat A\|\|4\|\|+2 ~~enchant/sanctify~~ ~~ceiling~~\|\|500k		\|\|1m\|\|10.75m\|\|Service Stat A\|\|4\|\|+2 skill bonus\|\|500k
	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
	\|\|550k\|\|13.4m\|\|Service Stat B\|\|2\|\|+1 ~~enchant/sanctify~~ ~~ceiling~~\|\|550k		\|\|550k\|\|13.4m\|\|Service Stat B\|\|2\|\|+1 skill bonus\|\|550k
	\|-		\|-
	\|\|550k\|\|13.95m\|\|Arcane Symbols\|\|8\|\|+1 ~~enchant/sanctify~~ ~~ceiling~~\|\|550k		\|\|550k\|\|13.95m\|\|Arcane Symbols\|\|8\|\|+1 skill bonus\|\|550k
	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
	\|\|1.2m\|\|16.35m\|\|Service Stat B\|\|4\|\|+2 ~~enchant/sanctify~~ ~~ceiling~~\|\|600k		\|\|1.2m\|\|16.35m\|\|Service Stat B\|\|4\|\|+2 skill bonus\|\|600k
	\|-		\|-
	\|\|1.2m\|\|17.55m\|\|Mana Control\|\|4\|\|+2 ~~enchant/sanctify~~ ~~ceiling~~\|\|600k		\|\|1.2m\|\|17.55m\|\|Mana Control\|\|4\|\|+2 skill bonus\|\|600k
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	\|}		\|}

LEAFIARA at 02:08, 19 December 2021

2021-12-19T02:08:45Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 21:08, 18 December 2021
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	\|\|250k\|\|250k\|\|Mana Control\|\|5\|\|+3 enchant ceiling\|\|83.33k		\|\|250k\|\|250k\|\|Mana Control\|\|5\|\|+3 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|83.33k
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	\|\|200k\|\|450k\|\|Service Stat A\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant ceiling\|\|100k		\|\|200k\|\|450k\|\|Service Stat A\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|100k
	\|-		\|-
	\|\|200k\|\|650k\|\|Service Stat B\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant ceiling\|\|100k		\|\|200k\|\|650k\|\|Service Stat B\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|100k
	\|-		\|-
	\|\|150k\|\|800k\|\|Service Stat A\|\|2\|\|+1 enchant ceiling\|\|150k		\|\|150k\|\|800k\|\|Service Stat A\|\|2\|\|+1 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|150k
	\|-		\|-
	\|\|150k\|\|950k\|\|Service Stat B\|\|2\|\|+1 enchant ceiling\|\|150k		\|\|150k\|\|950k\|\|Service Stat B\|\|2\|\|+1 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|150k
	\|-		\|-
	\|\|400k\|\|1.35m\|\|Service Stat A\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant ceiling\|\|200k		\|\|400k\|\|1.35m\|\|Service Stat A\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|200k
	\|-		\|-
	\|\|400k\|\|1.75m\|\|Service Stat B\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant ceiling\|\|200k		\|\|400k\|\|1.75m\|\|Service Stat B\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|200k
	\|-		\|-
	\|\|400k\|\|2.15m\|\|Mana Control\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant ceiling\|\|200k		\|\|400k\|\|2.15m\|\|Mana Control\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|200k
	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
	\|\|600k\|\|3m\|\|Service Stat A\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant ceiling\|\|300k		\|\|600k\|\|3m\|\|Service Stat A\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|300k
	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
	\|\|600k\|\|4.2m\|\|Mana Control\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant ceiling\|\|300k		\|\|600k\|\|4.2m\|\|Mana Control\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|300k
	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
	\|\|800k\|\|7.5m\|\|Service Stat B\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant ceiling\|\|400k		\|\|800k\|\|7.5m\|\|Service Stat B\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|400k
	\|-		\|-
	\|\|800k\|\|8.3m\|\|Mana Control\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant ceiling\|\|400k		\|\|800k\|\|8.3m\|\|Mana Control\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|400k
	\|-		\|-
	\|\|450k\|\|8.75m\|\|Mana Control\|\|2\|\|+1 enchant ceiling\|\|450k		\|\|450k\|\|8.75m\|\|Mana Control\|\|2\|\|+1 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|450k
	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
	\|\|1m\|\|10.75m\|\|Service Stat A\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant ceiling\|\|500k		\|\|1m\|\|10.75m\|\|Service Stat A\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|500k
	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
	\|\|550k\|\|12.3m\|\|Magic Item Use\|\|8\|\|+1 enchant ceiling\|\|550k		\|\|550k\|\|12.3m\|\|Magic Item Use\|\|8\|\|+1 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|550k
	\|-		\|-
	\|\|550k\|\|12.85m\|\|Service Stat A\|\|2\|\|+1 enchant ceiling\|\|550k		\|\|550k\|\|12.85m\|\|Service Stat A\|\|2\|\|+1 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|550k
	\|-		\|-
	\|\|550k\|\|13.4m\|\|Service Stat B\|\|2\|\|+1 enchant ceiling\|\|550k		\|\|550k\|\|13.4m\|\|Service Stat B\|\|2\|\|+1 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|550k
	\|-		\|-
	\|\|550k\|\|13.95m\|\|Arcane Symbols\|\|8\|\|+1 enchant ceiling\|\|550k		\|\|550k\|\|13.95m\|\|Arcane Symbols\|\|8\|\|+1 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|550k
	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
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	\|-		\|-
	\|\|1.2m\|\|17.55m\|\|Mana Control\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant ceiling\|\|600k		\|\|1.2m\|\|17.55m\|\|Mana Control\|\|4\|\|+2 enchant/sanctify ceiling\|\|600k
	\|-		\|-
	\|}		\|}