Melee roundtime - Revision history

ZHOUY1: Min speed went down by 1 sec across the board.

2026-06-23T20:00:15Z

Min speed went down by 1 sec across the board.

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	==Minimum Weapon Speed==		==Minimum Weapon Speed==
	A weapon's '''minimum speed''' is the lowest roundtime at which a weapon can be swung under normal circumstances. The minimum speed is derived from the weapon's base speed, and always falls between 3 and 5 seconds.		A weapon's '''minimum speed''' is the lowest roundtime at which a weapon can be swung under normal circumstances. The minimum speed is derived from the weapon's base speed, and always falls between 2 and 4 seconds.

	{\| {{Prettytable}}		{\| {{Prettytable}}
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	! Base Speed !! Minimum Speed		! Base Speed !! Minimum Speed
	\|-		\|-
	\| 1 second \|\| 3 seconds		\| 1 second \|\| 2 seconds
	\|-		\|-
	\| 2 or 3 seconds \|\| 4 seconds		\| 2 or 3 seconds \|\| 3 seconds
	\|-		\|-
	\| 4 seconds or more \|\| 5 seconds		\| 4 seconds or more \|\| 4 seconds
	\|}		\|}

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	===How can the minimum be greater than the base?===		===How can the minimum be greater than the base?===
	The interplay between minimum speed and base speed can at first seem contradictory for very fast weapons, such as the dagger with its base speed of 1. Despite a base speed of 1, a character would swing their dagger in 3 seconds. However, because the base speed is 2 ~~seconds~~ faster than the minimum speed, factors that increase roundtime are diminished.		The interplay between minimum speed and base speed can at first seem contradictory for very fast weapons, such as the dagger with its base speed of 1. Despite a base speed of 1, a character would swing their dagger in 2 seconds. However, because the base speed is 1 second faster than the minimum speed, factors that increase roundtime are diminished.

	For example, if a character with no [[Armor Use\|armor training]] were to wear a [[Armor\|leather breastplate]], their roundtime would increase by 3 seconds. This is added to the dagger's base of 1, for a 4 second swing~~. If the dagger's base speed and minimum speed were both 3, the attack would have taken 6 seconds, not 4~~.		For example, if a character with no [[Armor Use\|armor training]] were to wear a [[Armor\|leather breastplate]], their roundtime would increase by 3 seconds. This is added to the dagger's base of 1, for a 4 second swing.

	===Going below the minimum===		===Going below the minimum===

SURIAL at 16:35, 24 March 2026

2026-03-24T16:35:59Z

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	===Aimed strikes===		===Aimed strikes===
	Aiming an attack with the [[AMBUSH (verb)\|{{boldmono\|AMBUSH}} verb]] or [[AIM (verb)\|\|{{boldmono}AIM}} verb]] increases the minimum roundtime of the attack by 1 in addition to the 3 second increase in roundtime.		Aiming an attack with the [[AMBUSH (verb)\|{{boldmono\|AMBUSH}} verb]] or [[AIM (verb)\|{{boldmono\|AIM}} verb]] increases the minimum roundtime of the attack by 1 in addition to the 3 second increase in roundtime.

	===How can the minimum be greater than the base?===		===How can the minimum be greater than the base?===

SURIAL: Fixed another confused use of `min` where `max` was intended, and clarified that it's about aiming, whether you do so via AMBUSH or AIM.

2026-03-24T16:34:43Z

Fixed another confused use of `min` where `max` was intended, and clarified that it's about aiming, whether you do so via AMBUSH or AIM.

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	===Aimed strikes===		===Aimed strikes===
	Aiming an attack with the [[AMBUSH (verb)\|{{boldmono\|AMBUSH}} verb]] increases the minimum roundtime of the attack by 1 in addition to the 3 second increase in roundtime.		Aiming an attack with the [[AMBUSH (verb)\|{{boldmono\|AMBUSH}} verb]] or [[AIM (verb)\|\|{{boldmono}AIM}} verb]] increases the minimum roundtime of the attack by 1 in addition to the 3 second increase in roundtime.

	===How can the minimum be greater than the base?===		===How can the minimum be greater than the base?===
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	CalculatedRT = BaseRT + ArmorRT + EncumbranceRT + AimRT - SpeedOffset		CalculatedRT = BaseRT + ArmorRT + EncumbranceRT + AimRT - SpeedOffset

	ArmorRT = ~~min~~(ArmorRTPenalty - round(ArmorSkill/20), 0)		ArmorRT = max(ArmorRTPenalty - round(ArmorSkill/20), 0)

	EncumbranceRT = ceil((PercentEncumbrance - 4)/5)		EncumbranceRT = ceil((PercentEncumbrance - 4)/5)

SURIAL: And now fixing my own revert - what was _really_ intended is `max(AgiBonus + DexBonus, 0)` to indicate: negative Agi+Dex is ignored, positive Agi+Dex works. Also updated 'ambush' to 'Aim'.

2026-03-24T16:31:43Z

And now fixing my own revert - what was _really_ intended is `max(AgiBonus + DexBonus, 0)` to indicate: negative Agi+Dex is ignored, positive Agi+Dex works. Also updated 'ambush' to 'Aim'.

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	To find the actual roundtime an attack will take, start with the base roundtime, then account for armor, encumbrance, and the character's Agility and Dexterity bonuses.		To find the actual roundtime an attack will take, start with the base roundtime, then account for armor, encumbrance, and the character's Agility and Dexterity bonuses.

	<div {{prettydiv\|margin-right=30%}}>Roundtime = ~~min~~(CalculatedRT, MinRT + ~~AmbushMinRT~~)		<div {{prettydiv\|margin-right=30%}}>Roundtime = max(CalculatedRT, MinRT + AimMinRT)
	CalculatedRT = BaseRT + ArmorRT + EncumbranceRT + ~~AmbushRT~~ - SpeedOffset		CalculatedRT = BaseRT + ArmorRT + EncumbranceRT + AimRT - SpeedOffset

	ArmorRT = min(ArmorRTPenalty - round(ArmorSkill/20), 0)		ArmorRT = min(ArmorRTPenalty - round(ArmorSkill/20), 0)
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	EncumbranceRT = ceil((PercentEncumbrance - 4)/5)		EncumbranceRT = ceil((PercentEncumbrance - 4)/5)

	~~AmbushRT~~ = 3 if using {{mono\|AMBUSH}}, 0 otherwise		AimRT = 3 if using {{mono\|AMBUSH}} or {{mono\|AIM}}, 0 otherwise

	~~AmbushMinRT~~ = 1 if using {{mono\|AMBUSH}}, 0 otherwise		AimMinRT = 1 if using {{mono\|AMBUSH}} or {{mono\|AIM}}, 0 otherwise

	SpeedOffset = round(~~min~~(AgiBonus + DexBonus, 0)/15)		SpeedOffset = round(max(AgiBonus + DexBonus, 0)/15)
	</div>		</div>

SURIAL: Reverting an edit: The edit misunderstood a formula and broke it (`min(A, 0)` means: A, unless A is negative, then nevermind. Previous editor thought it meant the reverse). It also applied -1 to the min RTs but did not update the introductory paragraph, conflicting with what that said. If that second edit is correct, it should be put back and the intro paragraph needs to update ('from 'always between 3 and 5' to 'always between '2 and 5', probably).

2026-03-24T16:26:32Z

Reverting an edit: The edit misunderstood a formula and broke it (`min(A, 0)` means: A, unless A is negative, then nevermind. Previous editor thought it meant the reverse). It also applied -1 to the min RTs but did not update the introductory paragraph, conflicting with what that said. If that second edit is correct, it should be put back and the intro paragraph needs to update ('from 'always between 3 and 5' to 'always between '2 and 5', probably).

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	! Base Speed !! Minimum Speed		! Base Speed !! Minimum Speed
	\|-		\|-
	\| 1 second \|\| 2 seconds		\| 1 second \|\| 3 seconds
	\|-		\|-
	\| 2 or 3 seconds \|\| 3 seconds		\| 2 or 3 seconds \|\| 4 seconds
	\|-		\|-
	\| 4 seconds or more \|\| 4 seconds		\| 4 seconds or more \|\| 5 seconds
	\|}		\|}

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	AmbushMinRT = 1 if using {{mono\|AMBUSH}}, 0 otherwise		AmbushMinRT = 1 if using {{mono\|AMBUSH}}, 0 otherwise

	SpeedOffset = round(min(AgiBonus + DexBonus)/15)		SpeedOffset = round(min(AgiBonus + DexBonus, 0)/15)
	</div>		</div>

GS4ALASTIR: /* Calculating Actual Roundtime */ - Positive numbers do reduce roundtime

2026-03-22T08:04:00Z

Calculating Actual Roundtime: - Positive numbers do reduce roundtime

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	AmbushMinRT = 1 if using {{mono\|AMBUSH}}, 0 otherwise		AmbushMinRT = 1 if using {{mono\|AMBUSH}}, 0 otherwise

	SpeedOffset = round(min(AgiBonus + DexBonus~~, 0~~)/15)		SpeedOffset = round(min(AgiBonus + DexBonus)/15)
	</div>		</div>

GS4ALASTIR: /* Minimum Weapon Speed */ - Updated with correct information

2026-03-22T08:03:29Z

Minimum Weapon Speed: - Updated with correct information

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	! Base Speed !! Minimum Speed		! Base Speed !! Minimum Speed
	\|-		\|-
	\| 1 second \|\| 3 seconds		\| 1 second \|\| 2 seconds
	\|-		\|-
	\| 2 or 3 seconds \|\| 4 seconds		\| 2 or 3 seconds \|\| 3 seconds
	\|-		\|-
	\| 4 seconds or more \|\| 5 seconds		\| 4 seconds or more \|\| 4 seconds
	\|}		\|}

DCOFFEY: corrected formula

2020-07-09T02:01:45Z

corrected formula

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	Assuming the character's off-hand weapon is at least as fast and as light as their primary weapon:		Assuming the character's off-hand weapon is at least as fast and as light as their primary weapon:

	<div {{prettydiv\|margin-right=30%}}>TWCBaseSpeed = RightBaseSpeed + ~~min~~(LeftBaseSpeed - 2, 0) + ~~min~~(WeightPenalty, 0)<br/><br/>		<div {{prettydiv\|margin-right=30%}}>TWCBaseSpeed = RightBaseSpeed + max(LeftBaseSpeed - 2, 0) + max(WeightPenalty, 0)<br/><br/>
	WeightPenalty = ~~max~~(LeftWeight - 2 - STROffset, 3)<br/><br/>		WeightPenalty = min(LeftWeight - 2 - STROffset, 3)<br/><br/>
	STROffset = trunc((STRBonus + 10)/15)		STROffset = trunc((STRBonus + 10)/15)
	</div>		</div>

VANKRASN39: VANKRASN39 moved page Melee Roundtime to Melee roundtime: naming convention

2016-06-06T04:37:27Z

VANKRASN39 moved page Melee Roundtime to Melee roundtime: naming convention

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VANKRASN39: /* Base Weapon Speed */ fix link

2016-06-06T04:00:54Z

Base Weapon Speed: fix link

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	All weapons have a '''base weapon speed''', which is the standard [[roundtime]] before accounting any factors that may increase or decrease that number. All melee roundtime calculations start from the base weapon speed.		All weapons have a '''base weapon speed''', which is the standard [[roundtime]] before accounting any factors that may increase or decrease that number. All melee roundtime calculations start from the base weapon speed.

	:''See '''[[Base weapon ~~speeds~~]] for a list of all the base weapon speeds, or the [[Edged Weapons]], [[Blunt Weapons]], [[Brawling]], [[Polearms]], and [[Two-Handed Weapons]] pages for a comparison just of those types of weapons.''		:''See '''[[Base weapon speed]] for a list of all the base weapon speeds, or the [[Edged Weapons]], [[Blunt Weapons]], [[Brawling]], [[Polearms]], and [[Two-Handed Weapons]] pages for a comparison just of those types of weapons.''

	===Two-Weapon Combat===		===Two-Weapon Combat===