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	==Drumpel's Research==		==Drumpel's Research==
	:[http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Wizards/Major%20Elemental%20Circle/view/2134 Posted 6 September 2016]		:[http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Wizards/Major%20Elemental%20Circle/view/2134 Posted 6 September 2016]

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 I hopped into the test server and threw around some 514 at some csetairi since they're like level of my wizard.
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 '''**Updated 9/12/16**
 More testing done with 1x trained and .75x trained. Updated results adjusted in the post above'''

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	\|'''61 ranks EL:E (.75x)'''		\|'''61 ranks EL:E (.75x)'''
	\|-style="background:#f0f0f0"		\|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
	\|11 CLENCH attempted, 0 worked. 11 resulted in SLAP. Appears CLENCH ~~always~~ defaults to SLAP ~~SLAP~~ when ~~only~~ .75x in EL:E		\|25 CLENCH attempted, 5 worked. 20 resulted in SLAP. Appears CLENCH works 25% of the time and defaults to SLAP 75% when .75x in EL:E
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	\|6 POUND attempted, 0 worked. 6 resulted in SLAP. Appears POUND always defaults to SLAP when only .75x in EL:E		\|6 POUND attempted, 0 worked. 6 resulted in SLAP. Appears POUND always defaults to SLAP when only .75x in EL:E
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	\|'''81 ranks EL:E (1x)'''		\|'''81 ranks EL:E (1x)'''
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	\|6 CLENCH attempted, ~~all~~ worked. ~~May~~ ~~need~~ ~~more~~ ~~attempts,~~ ~~but~~ ~~appears~~ ~~CLENCH~~ ~~should~~ ~~always~~ ~~work~~ at 1x train EL:E		\|54 CLENCH attempted, 41 worked. 13 resulted in SLAP. CLENCH will work about 75% of the time and default to SLAP 25% when 1x train EL:E
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	\|17 POUND attempted, 0 worked. 15 resulted in CLENCH. 2 resulted in SLAP. Appears 10-15% POUNDS default to SLAP & 85-90% default to CLENCH when 1x EL:E		\|17 POUND attempted, 0 worked. 15 resulted in CLENCH. 2 resulted in SLAP. Appears 10-15% POUNDS default to SLAP & 85-90% default to CLENCH when 1x EL:E
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	It seems some of my past remembering is correct, while some of it is off. Here's what it appears you need to successfully use SLAP/CLENCH/POUND.		It seems some of my past remembering is correct, while some of it is off. Here's what it appears you need to successfully use SLAP/CLENCH/POUND 100% without fail.

	SLAP - .5x trained in EL:E		SLAP - .5x trained in EL:E
	CLENCH - 1x trained in EL:E		CLENCH - 1.25x trained in EL:E
	POUND - 2x trained in EL:E		POUND - 2x trained in EL:E
	'''NOTE'''		'''NOTE'''
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			'''Updated 9/12/16
			More testing done with 1x trained and .75x trained. Updated results adjusted in the post above'''

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	If you attempt to use a verb and it defaults to the next lowest successful verb, you only spend mana that equals the verb attack that went off. Example. You're 1.75x in EL:E and you try to POUND, but the attack defaults to CLENCH; you will only expend 6 mana on the CLENCH and not the 8 mana that POUND requires.		If you attempt to use a verb and it defaults to the next lowest successful verb, you only spend mana that equals the verb attack that went off. Example. You're 1.75x in EL:E and you try to POUND, but the attack defaults to CLENCH; you will only expend 6 mana on the CLENCH and not the 8 mana that POUND requires.

	-Drumpel
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{{saved-post
|author=DRUMPEL
|messagenum=2134
|subject=514 (Stone Fist) - Success of POUND/CLENCH/SLAP
|date=09/06/2016 04:56 PM
|category=Wizards
|topic=Major Elemental Circle
}}
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I hopped into the test server and threw around some 514 at some csetairi since they're like level of my wizard.

Based on my past experiences and remembering from years past testing, going against like level creatures, you need to have roughly the following skill ranks in EL:E:
SLAP - .5x trained
CLENCH - 1x-1.25x trained
POUND - 1.6-1.75x trained

I am going to put this to the test on a like level creature (csetairi).

My wizard's normal training has him with 128 ranks EL:E, that's just almost 1.6x in EL:E. 10 attempts to POUND a csetairi, 8 were successful, 2 resulted in CLENCH.

These are the thresholds I will test. My wizard is level 81.
{|class="wikitable" style="margin:auto; background:white;"
|style="background:white;"|EL:E Ranks || x trained for his level
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|0 || 0x
|-
|21 || .25x
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|41 || .50x
|-
|61 || .75x
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|81 || 1.0x
|-
|102 || 1.25x
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|122 || 1.50x
|-
|142 || 1.75x
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|162 || 2x
|}

{|class="wikitable" style="margin:auto; background:white;"
|style="background:white;"|'''0 ranks EL:E (0x)'''
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|5 SLAP attempted, 0 worked. End results always = THROW
|-
|1 CLENCH attempted, 0 worked. End results always = THROW
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|Without any EL:E you will have no chance to use anything but the basic commands; PUSH, WAVE and THROW
|-
|
|-
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|'''21 ranks EL:E (.25x)'''
|-
|11 SLAP attempted, 5 worked. 6 did not, resulted in THROW. Appears 50/50 chance to successfully SLAP at .25x
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|12 CLENCH attempted, 0 worked. 9 resulted in SLAP. 3 resulted in THROW. Appears 2/3 failed CLENCH results in a SLAP and 1/3 results in a THROW at .25x
|-
|
|-
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|'''41 ranks EL:E (.5x)'''
|-
|6 SLAP attempted, all worked. End results always = SLAP when .5x trained or higher
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|6 CLENCH attempted, 0 worked. 6 resulted in SLAP. Appears CLENCH always defaults to SLAP when only .5x in EL:E
|-
|6 POUND attempted, 0 worked. 6 resulted in SLAP. Appears POUND always defaults to SLAP when only .5x in EL:E
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|-
|
|-
|'''61 ranks EL:E (.75x)'''
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|11 CLENCH attempted, 0 worked. 11 resulted in SLAP. Appears CLENCH always defaults to SLAP SLAP when only .75x in EL:E
|-
|6 POUND attempted, 0 worked. 6 resulted in SLAP. Appears POUND always defaults to SLAP when only .75x in EL:E
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|-
|
|-
|'''81 ranks EL:E (1x)'''
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|6 CLENCH attempted, all worked. May need more attempts, but appears CLENCH should always work at 1x train EL:E
|-
|17 POUND attempted, 0 worked. 15 resulted in CLENCH. 2 resulted in SLAP. Appears 10-15% POUNDS default to SLAP & 85-90% default to CLENCH when 1x EL:E
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|-
|
|-
|'''102 ranks EL:E (1.25x)'''
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|20 POUND attempted, 0 worked. All resulted in CLENCH. Appears POUND needs more than 1.25x to be used, will always default to CLENCH
|-
|
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|'''122 ranks EL:E (1.5x)'''
|-
|35 POUND attempted, 5 worked. 30 resulted in CLENCH. Appears POUND works around 15% of the time, otherwise defaults to CLENCH when at 1.5x EL:E
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|
|-
|'''142 ranks EL:E (1.75x)'''
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|45 POUND attempted, 29 worked. 16 resulted in CLENCH. Appears POUND works around 66% of the time, otherwise defaults to CLENCH 33% of the time when 1.75x EL:E
|-
|
|-style="background:#f0f0f0"
|'''162 ranks EL:E (2x)'''
|-
|30 POUND attempted, all worked. POUND will work 100% of the time when you're 2x in EL:E
|}

It seems some of my past remembering is correct, while some of it is off. Here's what it appears you need to successfully use SLAP/CLENCH/POUND.

SLAP - .5x trained in EL:E
CLENCH - 1x trained in EL:E
POUND - 2x trained in EL:E
'''NOTE'''
Clearly there are some varying levels of success to use SLAP/CLENCH/POUND, but the .5x/1x/2x appear they are necessary for 100% success from my testing. More testing would be needed to get exact percentages, but this should provide a good base for people to follow with how Stone Fist works.

Your level vs creature level doesn't appear to make any difference. As long as you have enough training in EL:E, you can utilize SLAP/CLENCH/POUND.
If you attempt to use a verb and it defaults to the next lowest successful verb, you only spend mana that equals the verb attack that went off. Example. You're 1.75x in EL:E and you try to POUND, but the attack defaults to CLENCH; you will only expend 6 mana on the CLENCH and not the 8 mana that POUND requires.

-Drumpel
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