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ARCHYVER: Comparison of Shield Trample and Cman Bullrush discussion in discord

2022-04-13T03:25:02Z

Comparison of Shield Trample and Cman Bullrush discussion in discord

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			==Comparison of Trample to Bullrush==
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			\| category = Hunting and Combat
			\| topic = Shields
			\| Source = [https://discord.com/channels/226045346399256576/532373273816858636/963599377887293440 Discord]
			\| author = GS4-Naijin
			\| date = 2022-04-12 08:39 PM EDT
			\| subject = Comparison of Trample to Bullrush
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			[8:33 PM] Drigler: and many times i can't get an attack off before they stand up, if they fall and dont get stunned.. (with bullrush)<br>
			[8:37 PM] Naijin: What kind of shield are you using?<br>
			[8:38 PM] Naijin: I just double-checked the code, and the stagger application is 100% identical between both skills.<br>
			[8:38 PM] Naijin: Damage is identical.<br>
			[8:38 PM] Naijin: Messaging is almost identical.<br>
			[8:38 PM] Naijin: The only thing that's different is the gear they use. If you're using a larger shield, your chance to land is going to be lower, but when you do land it will have a higher endroll. That's just part of how shields works with all shield skills. <br>
			[8:39 PM] Naijin: Small shields have a 10% bonus to hit, medium 0%, large -5%, tower -10%.<br>
			[8:40 PM] Naijin: Tower shields have a 10% bonus to endroll if they hit, large +5%, medium 0%, small -10%.<br>
			[8:45 PM] Drigler: it seems rare for trample to not stun<br>
			[8:45 PM] Drigler: while bullrush often not stuns<br>
			[8:45 PM] Naijin: Well the two skills are 100% identical other than what I just mentioned.<br>
			[8:45 PM] Drigler: and i guess lag makes it so i cant get an attack off before they get up<br>
			[8:46 PM] Naijin: Bull rush has no roll modification so it'll be more likely to succeed in general, but if you do succeed with the tower shield and trample, the final endroll is higher than what you see. <br>
			[8:47 PM] Naijin: That little quirk is not unique to shield trample. Just how Shields have always worked and I kept that behavior with the PSM conversion<br>
			[8:49 PM] Naijin: Yeah small = easier to hit, big = more damaging.<br>
			[8:49 PM] Drigler: that would explain why shield trample feels better<br>
			[8:49 PM] Naijin: If you're able to hit something 100% of the time with the tower then it's going to be better.<br>
			[8:50 PM] Naijin: It's when you can't that you start missing more than bull rush or shield trample with a small shield would.<br>
			[8:50 PM] Naijin: Like the enemies in HW will probably be harder to hit with trample+tower than bullrush.<br>
			[8:51 PM] Naijin: People joke about copying 917, but that's literally what happened with bull rush/trample, heh. Intentionally, because they serve different purposes, but yeah.<br>


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VANKRASN39: /* The following is the list of available shield skills */

2015-05-28T05:16:57Z

The following is the list of available shield skills

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	For 30 days following this release (until 05/02/2013) these skills will have instant point migration, to allow for players to make an informed choice of which specializations they would like to train in. Shield bash and shield charge appear in the lists below, these maneuvers will continue to be available through the CMAN system (grandfathered in), as well as from the SHIELD system.		For 30 days following this release (until 05/02/2013) these skills will have instant point migration, to allow for players to make an informed choice of which specializations they would like to train in. Shield bash and shield charge appear in the lists below, these maneuvers will continue to be available through the CMAN system (grandfathered in), as well as from the SHIELD system.

	=The following is the list of available shield skills=

	==Skill Name: [[Small Shield Focus]]==		==Skill Name: [[Small Shield Focus]]==

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	\| subject = New Maneuver System Released - SHIELD!		\| subject = New Maneuver System Released - SHIELD!
		⚫	}}A new maneuver system has been released, the [[Shield Specialization\|SHIELD system]]. This system provides [[Warriors]], [[Rogues]], and [[Paladins]] with exclusive access to new options and abilities related to the [[Shield Use]] skill. The [[SHIELD (verb)]] provides access to this new system. The goal of this release is to provide new capabilities to the shield use character builds within the martial classes, so that those character builds can better compete with the powerful [[Two-handed Weapons\|twohanded]] and [[Ranged Weapons\|ranged weapon]] builds.
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⚫	A new maneuver system has been released, the [[Shield Specialization\|SHIELD system]]. This system provides [[Warriors]], [[Rogues]], and [[Paladins]] with exclusive access to new options and abilities related to the [[Shield Use]] skill. The [[SHIELD (verb)]] provides access to this new system. The goal of this release is to provide new capabilities to the shield use character builds within the martial classes, so that those character builds can better compete with the powerful [[Two-handed Weapons\|twohanded]] and [[Ranged Weapons\|ranged weapon]] builds.

	The system is broadly similar to the existing [[Combat maneuvers\|CMAN]] and [[Armor\|ARMOR]] systems. Each rank in the Shield Use skill provides the warrior, rogue, or paladin with one (1) Shield Training Point, which they may then use to buy ranks in the various SHIELD skills via SHIELD LEARN. Skills may be unlearned via SHIELD UNLEARN, and you may view the lists of skills to learn via SHIELD LIST. SHIELD HELP provides you with detailed information on each of the skills.		The system is broadly similar to the existing [[Combat maneuvers\|CMAN]] and [[Armor\|ARMOR]] systems. Each rank in the Shield Use skill provides the warrior, rogue, or paladin with one (1) Shield Training Point, which they may then use to buy ranks in the various SHIELD skills via SHIELD LEARN. Skills may be unlearned via SHIELD UNLEARN, and you may view the lists of skills to learn via SHIELD LIST. SHIELD HELP provides you with detailed information on each of the skills.
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SPYRIDONM1 at 17:27, 3 April 2013

2013-04-03T17:27:00Z

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	For 30 days following this release (until 05/02/2013) these skills will have instant point migration, to allow for players to make an informed choice of which specializations they would like to train in. Shield bash and shield charge appear in the lists below, these maneuvers will continue to be available through the CMAN system (grandfathered in), as well as from the SHIELD system.		For 30 days following this release (until 05/02/2013) these skills will have instant point migration, to allow for players to make an informed choice of which specializations they would like to train in. Shield bash and shield charge appear in the lists below, these maneuvers will continue to be available through the CMAN system (grandfathered in), as well as from the SHIELD system.

	The following is the list of available shield skills:		=The following is the list of available shield skills=

	==Skill Name: [[Small Shield Focus]]==		==Skill Name: [[Small Shield Focus]]==

SPYRIDONM1: /* Skill Name: Tortoise Stance */

2013-04-03T05:36:51Z

Skill Name: Tortoise Stance

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	:Description: You assume a cautious stance, ready to block any blows.		:Description: You assume a cautious stance, ready to block any blows.
	:Mechanics: This is a Martial Stance. While in this stance, you gain an additional chance to block attacks. This chance activates 75% of the time at Rank 1, and is automatic at Rank 2 or greater. You suffer an attack strength (AS) penalty of -50 at ~~Rank~~ 1~~, -35 at~~ ~~Rank~~ 2, and -20 at Rank 3.		:Mechanics: This is a Martial Stance. While in this stance, you gain an additional chance to block attacks. This chance activates 75% of the time at Rank 1, and is automatic at Rank 2 or greater. You suffer an attack strength (AS) penalty of -35 at Ranks 1 & 2, and -20 at Rank 3.
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