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WINTERDAWN: Bless Item (304) is now called Bless (304) in game.

2019-05-06T04:59:01Z

Bless Item (304) is now called Bless (304) in game.

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	:::I was thinking more of the organization of the guide and the easy access to spell info :) [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 15:51, 7 February 2015 (CST)		:::I was thinking more of the organization of the guide and the easy access to spell info :) [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 15:51, 7 February 2015 (CST)

	:Would you consider these spells appropriate for inclusion in this article? [[Elemental Blade (411)]], [[Minor Elemental Edge (902)]], [[Bless ~~Item~~ (304)]] [[User:SPYRIDONM1\|Mark]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM1\|talk]]) 15:23, 7 February 2015 (CST)		:Would you consider these spells appropriate for inclusion in this article? [[Elemental Blade (411)]], [[Minor Elemental Edge (902)]], [[Bless (304)]] [[User:SPYRIDONM1\|Mark]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM1\|talk]]) 15:23, 7 February 2015 (CST)
	::That's a tough call! The former two seem slightly more suitable where as the latter one not as much. I think when Sarah and I were shooting ideas around, I had drawn the line at defining a "buff spell" as one cast at a character. Granted, these spells kind of vary in their mileage in that respect. Symbol of Blessing is used on an item, where as Bless can be cast at a character. In any case, we'd surely need to [[Consecrate (1604)]] to the list as well. Definitely on the fence about this one from the outset, but more because it's a grey line than because I'm sure which way it should be! Especially for beginning players, Minor Elemental Edge sort of feels like something people should know about, for example! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 04:31, 13 February 2015 (CST)		::That's a tough call! The former two seem slightly more suitable where as the latter one not as much. I think when Sarah and I were shooting ideas around, I had drawn the line at defining a "buff spell" as one cast at a character. Granted, these spells kind of vary in their mileage in that respect. Symbol of Blessing is used on an item, where as Bless can be cast at a character. In any case, we'd surely need to [[Consecrate (1604)]] to the list as well. Definitely on the fence about this one from the outset, but more because it's a grey line than because I'm sure which way it should be! Especially for beginning players, Minor Elemental Edge sort of feels like something people should know about, for example! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 04:31, 13 February 2015 (CST)
	::I definitely agree with DAID that those are sort of a grey area. In a sense, they could be buff spells because they help you accomplish your task more efficiently (or at all, if you're a non-sonic weapon user hunting undead) even if they don't fit how we've defined buff spells in this article so far. It's something where we could either leave them out (as we have), create a new section for those spells or we could add a blurb in the introduction (or somewhere else) about them and not go into much detail.		::I definitely agree with DAID that those are sort of a grey area. In a sense, they could be buff spells because they help you accomplish your task more efficiently (or at all, if you're a non-sonic weapon user hunting undead) even if they don't fit how we've defined buff spells in this article so far. It's something where we could either leave them out (as we have), create a new section for those spells or we could add a blurb in the introduction (or somewhere else) about them and not go into much detail.

DAID: /* Best Approach to Transclusion */ it's done!

2015-02-18T22:15:34Z

Best Approach to Transclusion: it's done!

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	Okay, I made the first attempt at transcluding some spell circles onto a [[A_beginner's_guide_to_playing_a_bard#Buff_Spells\|professional page]]. I'm not sure I quite like how the formatting looks here, but maybe you guys have either different opinions or suggestions for improvement here. [[User:SARAH3\|SARAH3]] ([[User talk:SARAH3\|talk]]) 11:49, 17 February 2015 (CST)		Okay, I made the first attempt at transcluding some spell circles onto a [[A_beginner's_guide_to_playing_a_bard#Buff_Spells\|professional page]]. I'm not sure I quite like how the formatting looks here, but maybe you guys have either different opinions or suggestions for improvement here. [[User:SARAH3\|SARAH3]] ([[User talk:SARAH3\|talk]]) 11:49, 17 February 2015 (CST)

			Aaaaaand...'''DONE'''! Thanks for all the input, everyone! Of course, right after I did it, someone has suggested re-naming the page (which I assume would then imply renaming all the Templates). Well, we're making progress, at least. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 16:15, 18 February 2015 (CST)

	== Spell circle checks ==		== Spell circle checks ==

DAID: reply on suggested page title change

2015-02-18T22:14:08Z

reply on suggested page title change

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	::Okay, I added them now in a section. Please edit or modify as you see fit. I decided not to discuss permanent things like Enchant or Ensorcell. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 13:45, 18 February 2015 (CST)		::Okay, I added them now in a section. Please edit or modify as you see fit. I decided not to discuss permanent things like Enchant or Ensorcell. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 13:45, 18 February 2015 (CST)
	:"Buff spells" is common MMORPG terminology but the official play.net documentation calls them "enhancement spells", so I wonder if that should be the formal title with "buff" being a redirect. (http://www.play.net/gs4/info/combat_guide/defense.asp#enhancement) [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:59, 18 February 2015 (CST)		:"Buff spells" is common MMORPG terminology but the official play.net documentation calls them "enhancement spells", so I wonder if that should be the formal title with "buff" being a redirect. (http://www.play.net/gs4/info/combat_guide/defense.asp#enhancement) [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:59, 18 February 2015 (CST)
			::We originally settled on this title since it is short and easy to remember, and also what people use...well almost everywhere. Even GM-Estild used 'buff spells' in the official announcement release of MANA SPELLUP (though, in quotes). I would tend to favor doing it the other way around (redirect Enhancement spell here). Also...I just created every single spell circle template using 'buff spells' after we waited some time for the discussion, so at least today there's no way I'm redoing all that. You may also consider that I used a simple and casual title for [[Popping boxes]] and in several years no one was bothered by the colloquial title. Let me know what you think about this line of reasoning (you can omit the fact of extra work to change all the templates, since it doesn't have a place in discussing the best approach). Thanks! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 16:14, 18 February 2015 (CST)

	==Best Approach to Transclusion==		==Best Approach to Transclusion==
	Another question that came up, I believe Scribes made the comment on the officials when Sarah first began a discussion there about this type of page. He suggested it would be useful to have that information also included to other profession-specific pages, etc. I attempted my first transclusion, which certainly worked. However, I'm not sure if that's the route we'd like to go. There are quite a number of ways to go about the transclusion. Since it was a test, the way I did it first was to make a new page for [[Minor Spiritual buff spells]] and then transclude it to the section here (and then potentially to the [[A_beginner%27s_guide_to_playing_a_sorcerer]]). Another way would be to keep things here as they already are, and then transclude with a hash to the section. Yet ''another'' way would be to stuff these things into each spell circle page, and transclude from that origin. I think we definitely want to stream this information around to a few pages, circle-by-circle, as is appropriate. But, what I don't know yet, is the best place for the origin, etc. Halp halp with some feedback so we can make the most sane structure! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 04:55, 13 February 2015 (CST)		Another question that came up, I believe Scribes made the comment on the officials when Sarah first began a discussion there about this type of page. He suggested it would be useful to have that information also included to other profession-specific pages, etc. I attempted my first transclusion, which certainly worked. However, I'm not sure if that's the route we'd like to go. There are quite a number of ways to go about the transclusion. Since it was a test, the way I did it first was to make a new page for [[Minor Spiritual buff spells]] and then transclude it to the section here (and then potentially to the [[A_beginner%27s_guide_to_playing_a_sorcerer]]). Another way would be to keep things here as they already are, and then transclude with a hash to the section. Yet ''another'' way would be to stuff these things into each spell circle page, and transclude from that origin. I think we definitely want to stream this information around to a few pages, circle-by-circle, as is appropriate. But, what I don't know yet, is the best place for the origin, etc. Halp halp with some feedback so we can make the most sane structure! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 04:55, 13 February 2015 (CST)

ZHOUY1: /* General Discussion */

2015-02-18T19:59:56Z

General Discussion

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	::::This is a nice idea I think. Feel free to add it, or eventually we'll get around to it! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 11:56, 16 February 2015 (CST)		::::This is a nice idea I think. Feel free to add it, or eventually we'll get around to it! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 11:56, 16 February 2015 (CST)
	::Okay, I added them now in a section. Please edit or modify as you see fit. I decided not to discuss permanent things like Enchant or Ensorcell. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 13:45, 18 February 2015 (CST)		::Okay, I added them now in a section. Please edit or modify as you see fit. I decided not to discuss permanent things like Enchant or Ensorcell. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 13:45, 18 February 2015 (CST)
			:"Buff spells" is common MMORPG terminology but the official play.net documentation calls them "enhancement spells", so I wonder if that should be the formal title with "buff" being a redirect. (http://www.play.net/gs4/info/combat_guide/defense.asp#enhancement) [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:59, 18 February 2015 (CST)

	==Best Approach to Transclusion==		==Best Approach to Transclusion==

DAID: /* General Discussion */ added weapon buffs

2015-02-18T19:45:25Z

General Discussion: added weapon buffs

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	:::how about a section on "weapon buffs"? [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:14, 13 February 2015 (CST)		:::how about a section on "weapon buffs"? [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:14, 13 February 2015 (CST)
	::::This is a nice idea I think. Feel free to add it, or eventually we'll get around to it! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 11:56, 16 February 2015 (CST)		::::This is a nice idea I think. Feel free to add it, or eventually we'll get around to it! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 11:56, 16 February 2015 (CST)
			::Okay, I added them now in a section. Please edit or modify as you see fit. I decided not to discuss permanent things like Enchant or Ensorcell. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 13:45, 18 February 2015 (CST)

	==Best Approach to Transclusion==		==Best Approach to Transclusion==
	Another question that came up, I believe Scribes made the comment on the officials when Sarah first began a discussion there about this type of page. He suggested it would be useful to have that information also included to other profession-specific pages, etc. I attempted my first transclusion, which certainly worked. However, I'm not sure if that's the route we'd like to go. There are quite a number of ways to go about the transclusion. Since it was a test, the way I did it first was to make a new page for [[Minor Spiritual buff spells]] and then transclude it to the section here (and then potentially to the [[A_beginner%27s_guide_to_playing_a_sorcerer]]). Another way would be to keep things here as they already are, and then transclude with a hash to the section. Yet ''another'' way would be to stuff these things into each spell circle page, and transclude from that origin. I think we definitely want to stream this information around to a few pages, circle-by-circle, as is appropriate. But, what I don't know yet, is the best place for the origin, etc. Halp halp with some feedback so we can make the most sane structure! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 04:55, 13 February 2015 (CST)		Another question that came up, I believe Scribes made the comment on the officials when Sarah first began a discussion there about this type of page. He suggested it would be useful to have that information also included to other profession-specific pages, etc. I attempted my first transclusion, which certainly worked. However, I'm not sure if that's the route we'd like to go. There are quite a number of ways to go about the transclusion. Since it was a test, the way I did it first was to make a new page for [[Minor Spiritual buff spells]] and then transclude it to the section here (and then potentially to the [[A_beginner%27s_guide_to_playing_a_sorcerer]]). Another way would be to keep things here as they already are, and then transclude with a hash to the section. Yet ''another'' way would be to stuff these things into each spell circle page, and transclude from that origin. I think we definitely want to stream this information around to a few pages, circle-by-circle, as is appropriate. But, what I don't know yet, is the best place for the origin, etc. Halp halp with some feedback so we can make the most sane structure! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 04:55, 13 February 2015 (CST)

SARAH3: /* Best Approach to Transclusion */ Added comments.

2015-02-17T17:49:19Z

Best Approach to Transclusion: Added comments.

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	:::Yes, that's basically how the minor spiritual section is right now (I think we want to leave out the section title so we can customize things a bit to better suit the demands of other pages). I think we want to make sure that this is a good idea before we implement it for all the spell circles. I'll take your suggestion as a vote in favour of this method though. ;) [[User:SARAH3\|SARAH3]] ([[User talk:SARAH3\|talk]]) 11:52, 14 February 2015 (CST)		:::Yes, that's basically how the minor spiritual section is right now (I think we want to leave out the section title so we can customize things a bit to better suit the demands of other pages). I think we want to make sure that this is a good idea before we implement it for all the spell circles. I'll take your suggestion as a vote in favour of this method though. ;) [[User:SARAH3\|SARAH3]] ([[User talk:SARAH3\|talk]]) 11:52, 14 February 2015 (CST)

			Okay, I made the first attempt at transcluding some spell circles onto a [[A_beginner's_guide_to_playing_a_bard#Buff_Spells\|professional page]]. I'm not sure I quite like how the formatting looks here, but maybe you guys have either different opinions or suggestions for improvement here. [[User:SARAH3\|SARAH3]] ([[User talk:SARAH3\|talk]]) 11:49, 17 February 2015 (CST)

	== Spell circle checks ==		== Spell circle checks ==

DAID: section for the top, and reply that the proposed "weapon buffs" section is a great compromise.

2015-02-16T17:56:45Z

section for the top, and reply that the proposed "weapon buffs" section is a great compromise.

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			==General Discussion==
	This is a topic that surely many people can contribute to! If you don't see us editing within several hours, feel free to jump right in! If you have specific visions or re-organizations in mind, we'd appreciate you posting them here first. Happy editing! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 09:41, 6 February 2015 (CST)		This is a topic that surely many people can contribute to! If you don't see us editing within several hours, feel free to jump right in! If you have specific visions or re-organizations in mind, we'd appreciate you posting them here first. Happy editing! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 09:41, 6 February 2015 (CST)
	:Evarin's [[Spell Collection Guide (scroll infusion)\|scroll guide]] might be a big help, I've tried to keep it up to date. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 10:05, 6 February 2015 (CST)		:Evarin's [[Spell Collection Guide (scroll infusion)\|scroll guide]] might be a big help, I've tried to keep it up to date. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 10:05, 6 February 2015 (CST)
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	::I can definitely see reasons that they could be included here, but I also worry that there might be some additional details (especially for elemental edging, which has a level requirement and blessing, which can be done in more than one way) which might be a bit beyond the scope of this article. It's definitely something to consider and if a lot of people think they should be included here then it's totally reasonable. [[User:SARAH3\|SARAH3]] ([[User talk:SARAH3\|talk]]) 10:44, 13 February 2015 (CST)		::I can definitely see reasons that they could be included here, but I also worry that there might be some additional details (especially for elemental edging, which has a level requirement and blessing, which can be done in more than one way) which might be a bit beyond the scope of this article. It's definitely something to consider and if a lot of people think they should be included here then it's totally reasonable. [[User:SARAH3\|SARAH3]] ([[User talk:SARAH3\|talk]]) 10:44, 13 February 2015 (CST)
	:::how about a section on "weapon buffs"? [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:14, 13 February 2015 (CST)		:::how about a section on "weapon buffs"? [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:14, 13 February 2015 (CST)
			::::This is a nice idea I think. Feel free to add it, or eventually we'll get around to it! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 11:56, 16 February 2015 (CST)

	==Best Approach to Transclusion==		==Best Approach to Transclusion==
	Another question that came up, I believe Scribes made the comment on the officials when Sarah first began a discussion there about this type of page. He suggested it would be useful to have that information also included to other profession-specific pages, etc. I attempted my first transclusion, which certainly worked. However, I'm not sure if that's the route we'd like to go. There are quite a number of ways to go about the transclusion. Since it was a test, the way I did it first was to make a new page for [[Minor Spiritual buff spells]] and then transclude it to the section here (and then potentially to the [[A_beginner%27s_guide_to_playing_a_sorcerer]]). Another way would be to keep things here as they already are, and then transclude with a hash to the section. Yet ''another'' way would be to stuff these things into each spell circle page, and transclude from that origin. I think we definitely want to stream this information around to a few pages, circle-by-circle, as is appropriate. But, what I don't know yet, is the best place for the origin, etc. Halp halp with some feedback so we can make the most sane structure! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 04:55, 13 February 2015 (CST)		Another question that came up, I believe Scribes made the comment on the officials when Sarah first began a discussion there about this type of page. He suggested it would be useful to have that information also included to other profession-specific pages, etc. I attempted my first transclusion, which certainly worked. However, I'm not sure if that's the route we'd like to go. There are quite a number of ways to go about the transclusion. Since it was a test, the way I did it first was to make a new page for [[Minor Spiritual buff spells]] and then transclude it to the section here (and then potentially to the [[A_beginner%27s_guide_to_playing_a_sorcerer]]). Another way would be to keep things here as they already are, and then transclude with a hash to the section. Yet ''another'' way would be to stuff these things into each spell circle page, and transclude from that origin. I think we definitely want to stream this information around to a few pages, circle-by-circle, as is appropriate. But, what I don't know yet, is the best place for the origin, etc. Halp halp with some feedback so we can make the most sane structure! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 04:55, 13 February 2015 (CST)

SARAH3: /* Spell circle checks */ new section

2015-02-16T16:17:00Z

Spell circle checks: new section

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	:::Yes, that's basically how the minor spiritual section is right now (I think we want to leave out the section title so we can customize things a bit to better suit the demands of other pages). I think we want to make sure that this is a good idea before we implement it for all the spell circles. I'll take your suggestion as a vote in favour of this method though. ;) [[User:SARAH3\|SARAH3]] ([[User talk:SARAH3\|talk]]) 11:52, 14 February 2015 (CST)		:::Yes, that's basically how the minor spiritual section is right now (I think we want to leave out the section title so we can customize things a bit to better suit the demands of other pages). I think we want to make sure that this is a good idea before we implement it for all the spell circles. I'll take your suggestion as a vote in favour of this method though. ;) [[User:SARAH3\|SARAH3]] ([[User talk:SARAH3\|talk]]) 11:52, 14 February 2015 (CST)

			== Spell circle checks ==

			I've been working through the spell circles noting the existing buff spells in each circle and adding suggestions for which ones a player probably wants to have running all the time or situations where the different spells are useful. However, most of my experience in GS is being a ranger (of the ranged sniping variety) so I know which buff spells in the ranger base and minor spiritual are good to stack all the time and I'm less certain about the spells that members of other professions keep up all the time. Therefore, I'd really appreciate any feedback on my suggestions.

			If you'd like to make edits to a section on the page itself, please try to keep them short since this is intended to provide a quick summary of the different buff spells in each circle rather than rehashing all the details provided elsewhere. If you would like to make any major style changes in how the information is presented, please discuss it here first (or at least syndicate your changes across all of the sections so they all look uniform). -cheers [[User:SARAH3\|SARAH3]] ([[User talk:SARAH3\|talk]]) 10:17, 16 February 2015 (CST)

SARAH3: /* Best Approach to Transclusion */ Added comments.

2015-02-14T17:52:38Z

Best Approach to Transclusion: Added comments.

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			:::Yes, that's basically how the minor spiritual section is right now (I think we want to leave out the section title so we can customize things a bit to better suit the demands of other pages). I think we want to make sure that this is a good idea before we implement it for all the spell circles. I'll take your suggestion as a vote in favour of this method though. ;) [[User:SARAH3\|SARAH3]] ([[User talk:SARAH3\|talk]]) 11:52, 14 February 2015 (CST)

VANKRASN39 at 00:11, 14 February 2015

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	::To stream circle by circle, independently, each one should be put in its own template and then the template should be entered into the appropriate spaces. Is this something you want me to set up? Or do you think you have it? It will look similar to this from the [[Edged Weapons]] page, except in your case you should put the heading within the template, if that will propagate as well:		::To stream circle by circle, independently, each one should be put in its own template and then the template should be entered into the appropriate spaces. Is this something you want me to set up? Or do you think you have it? It will look similar to this from the [[Edged Weapons]] page, except in your case you should put the heading within the template, if that will propagate as well:
	:<nowiki>==Damage Factors and Attack vs. Defense==		::<nowiki>==Damage Factors and Attack vs. Defense==
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	::Okay, I added them now in a section. Please edit or modify as you see fit. I decided not to discuss permanent things like Enchant or Ensorcell. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 13:45, 18 February 2015 (CST)		::Okay, I added them now in a section. Please edit or modify as you see fit. I decided not to discuss permanent things like Enchant or Ensorcell. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 13:45, 18 February 2015 (CST)
	:"Buff spells" is common MMORPG terminology but the official play.net documentation calls them "enhancement spells", so I wonder if that should be the formal title with "buff" being a redirect. (http://www.play.net/gs4/info/combat_guide/defense.asp#enhancement) [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:59, 18 February 2015 (CST)		:"Buff spells" is common MMORPG terminology but the official play.net documentation calls them "enhancement spells", so I wonder if that should be the formal title with "buff" being a redirect. (http://www.play.net/gs4/info/combat_guide/defense.asp#enhancement) [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:59, 18 February 2015 (CST)
			::We originally settled on this title since it is short and easy to remember, and also what people use...well almost everywhere. Even GM-Estild used 'buff spells' in the official announcement release of MANA SPELLUP (though, in quotes). I would tend to favor doing it the other way around (redirect Enhancement spell here). Also...I just created every single spell circle template using 'buff spells' after we waited some time for the discussion, so at least today there's no way I'm redoing all that. You may also consider that I used a simple and casual title for [[Popping boxes]] and in several years no one was bothered by the colloquial title. Let me know what you think about this line of reasoning (you can omit the fact of extra work to change all the templates, since it doesn't have a place in discussing the best approach). Thanks! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 16:14, 18 February 2015 (CST)

	==Best Approach to Transclusion==		==Best Approach to Transclusion==
	Another question that came up, I believe Scribes made the comment on the officials when Sarah first began a discussion there about this type of page. He suggested it would be useful to have that information also included to other profession-specific pages, etc. I attempted my first transclusion, which certainly worked. However, I'm not sure if that's the route we'd like to go. There are quite a number of ways to go about the transclusion. Since it was a test, the way I did it first was to make a new page for [[Minor Spiritual buff spells]] and then transclude it to the section here (and then potentially to the [[A_beginner%27s_guide_to_playing_a_sorcerer]]). Another way would be to keep things here as they already are, and then transclude with a hash to the section. Yet ''another'' way would be to stuff these things into each spell circle page, and transclude from that origin. I think we definitely want to stream this information around to a few pages, circle-by-circle, as is appropriate. But, what I don't know yet, is the best place for the origin, etc. Halp halp with some feedback so we can make the most sane structure! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 04:55, 13 February 2015 (CST)		Another question that came up, I believe Scribes made the comment on the officials when Sarah first began a discussion there about this type of page. He suggested it would be useful to have that information also included to other profession-specific pages, etc. I attempted my first transclusion, which certainly worked. However, I'm not sure if that's the route we'd like to go. There are quite a number of ways to go about the transclusion. Since it was a test, the way I did it first was to make a new page for [[Minor Spiritual buff spells]] and then transclude it to the section here (and then potentially to the [[A_beginner%27s_guide_to_playing_a_sorcerer]]). Another way would be to keep things here as they already are, and then transclude with a hash to the section. Yet ''another'' way would be to stuff these things into each spell circle page, and transclude from that origin. I think we definitely want to stream this information around to a few pages, circle-by-circle, as is appropriate. But, what I don't know yet, is the best place for the origin, etc. Halp halp with some feedback so we can make the most sane structure! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 04:55, 13 February 2015 (CST)

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	:::how about a section on "weapon buffs"? [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:14, 13 February 2015 (CST)		:::how about a section on "weapon buffs"? [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:14, 13 February 2015 (CST)
	::::This is a nice idea I think. Feel free to add it, or eventually we'll get around to it! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 11:56, 16 February 2015 (CST)		::::This is a nice idea I think. Feel free to add it, or eventually we'll get around to it! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 11:56, 16 February 2015 (CST)
			::Okay, I added them now in a section. Please edit or modify as you see fit. I decided not to discuss permanent things like Enchant or Ensorcell. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 13:45, 18 February 2015 (CST)

	==Best Approach to Transclusion==		==Best Approach to Transclusion==
	Another question that came up, I believe Scribes made the comment on the officials when Sarah first began a discussion there about this type of page. He suggested it would be useful to have that information also included to other profession-specific pages, etc. I attempted my first transclusion, which certainly worked. However, I'm not sure if that's the route we'd like to go. There are quite a number of ways to go about the transclusion. Since it was a test, the way I did it first was to make a new page for [[Minor Spiritual buff spells]] and then transclude it to the section here (and then potentially to the [[A_beginner%27s_guide_to_playing_a_sorcerer]]). Another way would be to keep things here as they already are, and then transclude with a hash to the section. Yet ''another'' way would be to stuff these things into each spell circle page, and transclude from that origin. I think we definitely want to stream this information around to a few pages, circle-by-circle, as is appropriate. But, what I don't know yet, is the best place for the origin, etc. Halp halp with some feedback so we can make the most sane structure! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 04:55, 13 February 2015 (CST)		Another question that came up, I believe Scribes made the comment on the officials when Sarah first began a discussion there about this type of page. He suggested it would be useful to have that information also included to other profession-specific pages, etc. I attempted my first transclusion, which certainly worked. However, I'm not sure if that's the route we'd like to go. There are quite a number of ways to go about the transclusion. Since it was a test, the way I did it first was to make a new page for [[Minor Spiritual buff spells]] and then transclude it to the section here (and then potentially to the [[A_beginner%27s_guide_to_playing_a_sorcerer]]). Another way would be to keep things here as they already are, and then transclude with a hash to the section. Yet ''another'' way would be to stuff these things into each spell circle page, and transclude from that origin. I think we definitely want to stream this information around to a few pages, circle-by-circle, as is appropriate. But, what I don't know yet, is the best place for the origin, etc. Halp halp with some feedback so we can make the most sane structure! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 04:55, 13 February 2015 (CST)

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			==General Discussion==
	This is a topic that surely many people can contribute to! If you don't see us editing within several hours, feel free to jump right in! If you have specific visions or re-organizations in mind, we'd appreciate you posting them here first. Happy editing! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 09:41, 6 February 2015 (CST)		This is a topic that surely many people can contribute to! If you don't see us editing within several hours, feel free to jump right in! If you have specific visions or re-organizations in mind, we'd appreciate you posting them here first. Happy editing! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 09:41, 6 February 2015 (CST)
	:Evarin's [[Spell Collection Guide (scroll infusion)\|scroll guide]] might be a big help, I've tried to keep it up to date. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 10:05, 6 February 2015 (CST)		:Evarin's [[Spell Collection Guide (scroll infusion)\|scroll guide]] might be a big help, I've tried to keep it up to date. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 10:05, 6 February 2015 (CST)
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	::I can definitely see reasons that they could be included here, but I also worry that there might be some additional details (especially for elemental edging, which has a level requirement and blessing, which can be done in more than one way) which might be a bit beyond the scope of this article. It's definitely something to consider and if a lot of people think they should be included here then it's totally reasonable. [[User:SARAH3\|SARAH3]] ([[User talk:SARAH3\|talk]]) 10:44, 13 February 2015 (CST)		::I can definitely see reasons that they could be included here, but I also worry that there might be some additional details (especially for elemental edging, which has a level requirement and blessing, which can be done in more than one way) which might be a bit beyond the scope of this article. It's definitely something to consider and if a lot of people think they should be included here then it's totally reasonable. [[User:SARAH3\|SARAH3]] ([[User talk:SARAH3\|talk]]) 10:44, 13 February 2015 (CST)
	:::how about a section on "weapon buffs"? [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:14, 13 February 2015 (CST)		:::how about a section on "weapon buffs"? [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:14, 13 February 2015 (CST)
			::::This is a nice idea I think. Feel free to add it, or eventually we'll get around to it! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 11:56, 16 February 2015 (CST)

	==Best Approach to Transclusion==		==Best Approach to Transclusion==
	Another question that came up, I believe Scribes made the comment on the officials when Sarah first began a discussion there about this type of page. He suggested it would be useful to have that information also included to other profession-specific pages, etc. I attempted my first transclusion, which certainly worked. However, I'm not sure if that's the route we'd like to go. There are quite a number of ways to go about the transclusion. Since it was a test, the way I did it first was to make a new page for [[Minor Spiritual buff spells]] and then transclude it to the section here (and then potentially to the [[A_beginner%27s_guide_to_playing_a_sorcerer]]). Another way would be to keep things here as they already are, and then transclude with a hash to the section. Yet ''another'' way would be to stuff these things into each spell circle page, and transclude from that origin. I think we definitely want to stream this information around to a few pages, circle-by-circle, as is appropriate. But, what I don't know yet, is the best place for the origin, etc. Halp halp with some feedback so we can make the most sane structure! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 04:55, 13 February 2015 (CST)		Another question that came up, I believe Scribes made the comment on the officials when Sarah first began a discussion there about this type of page. He suggested it would be useful to have that information also included to other profession-specific pages, etc. I attempted my first transclusion, which certainly worked. However, I'm not sure if that's the route we'd like to go. There are quite a number of ways to go about the transclusion. Since it was a test, the way I did it first was to make a new page for [[Minor Spiritual buff spells]] and then transclude it to the section here (and then potentially to the [[A_beginner%27s_guide_to_playing_a_sorcerer]]). Another way would be to keep things here as they already are, and then transclude with a hash to the section. Yet ''another'' way would be to stuff these things into each spell circle page, and transclude from that origin. I think we definitely want to stream this information around to a few pages, circle-by-circle, as is appropriate. But, what I don't know yet, is the best place for the origin, etc. Halp halp with some feedback so we can make the most sane structure! [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 04:55, 13 February 2015 (CST)