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		<title>LEAFIARA: LEAFIARA moved page Talk:Leafiara (prime)/Ascension Considerations to Talk:Leafiara (prime)/Mechanical Musings/Ascension Considerations: Better organization.</title>
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		<updated>2021-07-11T18:19:28Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;LEAFIARA moved page &lt;a href=&quot;/Talk:Leafiara_(prime)/Ascension_Considerations&quot; class=&quot;mw-redirect&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Leafiara (prime)/Ascension Considerations&quot;&gt;Talk:Leafiara (prime)/Ascension Considerations&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/Talk:Leafiara_(prime)/Mechanical_Musings/Ascension_Considerations&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Leafiara (prime)/Mechanical Musings/Ascension Considerations&quot;&gt;Talk:Leafiara (prime)/Mechanical Musings/Ascension Considerations&lt;/a&gt;: Better organization.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<id>https://gswiki.play.net/index.php?title=Talk:Leafiara_(prime)/Mechanical_Musings/Ascension_Considerations&amp;diff=147404&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>SPYRIDONM3: Undo revision 147386 by SPYRIDONM3 (talk)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Undo revision 147386 by &lt;a href=&quot;/Special:Contributions/SPYRIDONM3&quot; title=&quot;Special:Contributions/SPYRIDONM3&quot;&gt;SPYRIDONM3&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;/User_talk:SPYRIDONM3&quot; title=&quot;User talk:SPYRIDONM3&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;There is bad math in the &quot;New Lore Considerations: Bards&quot; section.  Yes, you are giving up 14 ranks of ML:Manipulation and regaining them with Ascension points, but you only gain +14 BONUS to ML:Telepathy.  Since you are adding to 26 extant ranks, this comes out to 4 ranks (each at +3) and then 1 more rank (at +2).  Net of +5 ranks, not +14. [[User:KRAKII|KRAKII]] ([[User talk:KRAKII|talk]]) 13:15, 21 April 2021 (CDT)&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt; &lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
  &lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;There is bad math in the &quot;New Lore Considerations: Bards&quot; section.  Yes, you are giving up 14 ranks of ML:Manipulation and regaining them with Ascension points, but you only gain +14 BONUS to ML:Telepathy.  Since you are adding to 26 extant ranks, this comes out to 4 ranks (each at +3) and then 1 more rank (at +2).  Net of +5 ranks, not +14. [[User:KRAKII|KRAKII]] ([[User talk:KRAKII|talk]]) 13:15, 21 April 2021 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:At 26 ranks the [[Mental Lore, Telepathy|ML, Telepathy]] BONUS is +108. Telepathy BONUS gained from transferring 14 ranks from [[Mental Lore, Manipulation|manipulation]] to telepathy is +32 (140 - 108) or 4 ranks at +3 each and 10 ranks at +2 per. The telepathy net bonus is +18 (140 - 122) where 122 is the current bonus of 108 plus an additional bonus of 14 from the ascension ranks. Does it make any difference if you have 40 ranks with a 122 bonus or 40 ranks with a 140 bonus? Probably not for [[Bard Base]] since the ML, Telepathy benefits are all rank based, but better safe then sorry. [[User:SPYRIDONM3|SPYRIDONM3]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM3|talk]]) 19:06, 21 April 2021 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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		<title>SPYRIDONM3: Undo revision 147387 by SPYRIDONM3 (talk)</title>
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		<updated>2021-04-22T10:16:43Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Undo revision 147387 by &lt;a href=&quot;/Special:Contributions/SPYRIDONM3&quot; title=&quot;Special:Contributions/SPYRIDONM3&quot;&gt;SPYRIDONM3&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;/User_talk:SPYRIDONM3&quot; title=&quot;User talk:SPYRIDONM3&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;There is bad math in the &quot;New Lore Considerations: Bards&quot; section.  Yes, you are giving up 14 ranks of ML:Manipulation and regaining them with Ascension points, but you only gain +14 BONUS to ML:Telepathy.  Since you are adding to 26 extant ranks, this comes out to 4 ranks (each at +3) and then 1 more rank (at +2).  Net of +5 ranks, not +14. [[User:KRAKII|KRAKII]] ([[User talk:KRAKII|talk]]) 13:15, 21 April 2021 (CDT) &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
  &lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
  &lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;There is bad math in the &quot;New Lore Considerations: Bards&quot; section.  Yes, you are giving up 14 ranks of ML:Manipulation and regaining them with Ascension points, but you only gain +14 BONUS to ML:Telepathy.  Since you are adding to 26 extant ranks, this comes out to 4 ranks (each at +3) and then 1 more rank (at +2).  Net of +5 ranks, not +14. [[User:KRAKII|KRAKII]] ([[User talk:KRAKII|talk]]) 13:15, 21 April 2021 (CDT) &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:At 26 ranks the [[Mental Lore, Telepathy|ML, Telepathy]] BONUS is +108. Telepathy BONUS gained from transferring 14 ranks from [[Mental Lore, Manipulation|manipulation]] to telepathy is +32 (140 - 108) or 4 ranks at +3 each and 10 ranks at +2 per. The telepathy net bonus is +18 (140 - 122) where 122 is the current bonus of 108 plus an additional bonus of 14 from the ascension ranks. Does it make any difference if you have 40 ranks with a 122 bonus or 40 ranks with a 140 bonus? Probably not for [[Bard Base]] since the ML, Telepathy benefits are all rank based, but better safe &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;than&lt;/del&gt; sorry. [[User:SPYRIDONM3|SPYRIDONM3]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM3|talk]]) 19:06, 21 April 2021 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:At 26 ranks the [[Mental Lore, Telepathy|ML, Telepathy]] BONUS is +108. Telepathy BONUS gained from transferring 14 ranks from [[Mental Lore, Manipulation|manipulation]] to telepathy is +32 (140 - 108) or 4 ranks at +3 each and 10 ranks at +2 per. The telepathy net bonus is +18 (140 - 122) where 122 is the current bonus of 108 plus an additional bonus of 14 from the ascension ranks. Does it make any difference if you have 40 ranks with a 122 bonus or 40 ranks with a 140 bonus? Probably not for [[Bard Base]] since the ML, Telepathy benefits are all rank based, but better safe &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;then&lt;/ins&gt; sorry. [[User:SPYRIDONM3|SPYRIDONM3]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM3|talk]]) 19:06, 21 April 2021 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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		<title>SPYRIDONM3 at 00:13, 22 April 2021</title>
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		<updated>2021-04-22T00:13:39Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;There is bad math in the &quot;New Lore Considerations: Bards&quot; section.  Yes, you are giving up 14 ranks of ML:Manipulation and regaining them with Ascension points, but you only gain +14 BONUS to ML:Telepathy.  Since you are adding to 26 extant ranks, this comes out to 4 ranks (each at +3) and then 1 more rank (at +2).  Net of +5 ranks, not +14. [[User:KRAKII|KRAKII]] ([[User talk:KRAKII|talk]]) 13:15, 21 April 2021 (CDT) &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;There is bad math in the &quot;New Lore Considerations: Bards&quot; section.  Yes, you are giving up 14 ranks of ML:Manipulation and regaining them with Ascension points, but you only gain +14 BONUS to ML:Telepathy.  Since you are adding to 26 extant ranks, this comes out to 4 ranks (each at +3) and then 1 more rank (at +2).  Net of +5 ranks, not +14. [[User:KRAKII|KRAKII]] ([[User talk:KRAKII|talk]]) 13:15, 21 April 2021 (CDT) &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:At 26 ranks the [[Mental Lore, Telepathy|ML, Telepathy]] BONUS is +108. Telepathy BONUS gained from transferring 14 ranks from [[Mental Lore, Manipulation|manipulation]] to telepathy is +32 (140 - 108) or 4 ranks at +3 each and 10 ranks at +2 per. The telepathy net bonus is +18 (140 - 122) where 122 is the current bonus of 108 plus an additional bonus of 14 from the ascension ranks. Does it make any difference if you have 40 ranks with a 122 bonus or 40 ranks with a 140 bonus? Probably not for [[Bard Base]] since the ML, Telepathy benefits are all rank based, but better safe &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;then&lt;/del&gt; sorry. [[User:SPYRIDONM3|SPYRIDONM3]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM3|talk]]) 19:06, 21 April 2021 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:At 26 ranks the [[Mental Lore, Telepathy|ML, Telepathy]] BONUS is +108. Telepathy BONUS gained from transferring 14 ranks from [[Mental Lore, Manipulation|manipulation]] to telepathy is +32 (140 - 108) or 4 ranks at +3 each and 10 ranks at +2 per. The telepathy net bonus is +18 (140 - 122) where 122 is the current bonus of 108 plus an additional bonus of 14 from the ascension ranks. Does it make any difference if you have 40 ranks with a 122 bonus or 40 ranks with a 140 bonus? Probably not for [[Bard Base]] since the ML, Telepathy benefits are all rank based, but better safe &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;than&lt;/ins&gt; sorry. [[User:SPYRIDONM3|SPYRIDONM3]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM3|talk]]) 19:06, 21 April 2021 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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		<author><name>SPYRIDONM3</name></author>
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		<title>SPYRIDONM3: Bonus calculations</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bonus calculations&lt;/p&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;There is bad math in the &quot;New Lore Considerations: Bards&quot; section.  Yes, you are giving up 14 ranks of ML:Manipulation and regaining them with Ascension points, but you only gain +14 BONUS to ML:Telepathy.  Since you are adding to 26 extant ranks, this comes out to 4 ranks (each at +3) and then 1 more rank (at +2).  Net of +5 ranks, not +14. [[User:KRAKII|KRAKII]] ([[User talk:KRAKII|talk]]) 13:15, 21 April 2021 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
  &lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;There is bad math in the &quot;New Lore Considerations: Bards&quot; section.  Yes, you are giving up 14 ranks of ML:Manipulation and regaining them with Ascension points, but you only gain +14 BONUS to ML:Telepathy.  Since you are adding to 26 extant ranks, this comes out to 4 ranks (each at +3) and then 1 more rank (at +2).  Net of +5 ranks, not +14. [[User:KRAKII|KRAKII]] ([[User talk:KRAKII|talk]]) 13:15, 21 April 2021 (CDT)&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt; &lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-empty diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
  &lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-empty diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
  &lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:At 26 ranks the [[Mental Lore, Telepathy|ML, Telepathy]] BONUS is +108. Telepathy BONUS gained from transferring 14 ranks from [[Mental Lore, Manipulation|manipulation]] to telepathy is +32 (140 - 108) or 4 ranks at +3 each and 10 ranks at +2 per. The telepathy net bonus is +18 (140 - 122) where 122 is the current bonus of 108 plus an additional bonus of 14 from the ascension ranks. Does it make any difference if you have 40 ranks with a 122 bonus or 40 ranks with a 140 bonus? Probably not for [[Bard Base]] since the ML, Telepathy benefits are all rank based, but better safe then sorry. [[User:SPYRIDONM3|SPYRIDONM3]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM3|talk]]) 19:06, 21 April 2021 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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		<author><name>SPYRIDONM3</name></author>
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		<title>KRAKII: Created page with &quot;There is bad math in the &quot;New Lore Considerations: Bards&quot; section.  Yes, you are giving up 14 ranks of ML:Manipulation and regaining them with Ascension points, but you only g...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;There is bad math in the &amp;quot;New Lore Considerations: Bards&amp;quot; section.  Yes, you are giving up 14 ranks of ML:Manipulation and regaining them with Ascension points, but you only g...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;There is bad math in the &amp;quot;New Lore Considerations: Bards&amp;quot; section.  Yes, you are giving up 14 ranks of ML:Manipulation and regaining them with Ascension points, but you only gain +14 BONUS to ML:Telepathy.  Since you are adding to 26 extant ranks, this comes out to 4 ranks (each at +3) and then 1 more rank (at +2).  Net of +5 ranks, not +14. [[User:KRAKII|KRAKII]] ([[User talk:KRAKII|talk]]) 13:15, 21 April 2021 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>KRAKII</name></author>
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