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JEFFEE83: moved the loresinging guide for young bards to my own user page

2024-06-14T18:06:30Z

moved the loresinging guide for young bards to my own user page

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	:[[User:KRAKII\|KRAKII]] - I'll freely admit some were garbage and some were not :) -- [[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 21:06, 3 August 2021 (CDT)		:[[User:KRAKII\|KRAKII]] - I'll freely admit some were garbage and some were not :) -- [[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 21:06, 3 August 2021 (CDT)
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	== Loresinging strategy for low level bards ==

	Young bards are often ask when they'll be able to loresing items effectively...so I wanted to share a mini-guide for a brute-force method that has worked for me as early as level 10 to reveal all 4 parts of almost any loresong.

	As you level up, you can make the song less complex, thus reducing your RT...but for now it's either this or nothing I think!

	The trick at low levels is to use the "strongest" verse possible and just rotate between two of these verses until you unlock all 4 sections. This means we want 4 lines, all rhyming, and no use of key words. I will provide two basic examples below...and you want to literally make a macro or alias for these two songs...and rotate between them: 1 2 1 2 1 2 until the job is done. Whether your song fails or not, just keep rotating until you get all 4 parts done.

	<pre{{log2}}>You are now speaking Guildspeak.
	You sing in Guildspeak:
	"Earcuff that I hold in my hand
	Tell your secrets and don't be bland
	Share your power and make it grand
	I seek the knowledge lost in the sand"
	Roundtime: 13 sec.
	As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the aquamarine earcuff in your hand...
	This is a tappable item, which casts spells from the Spirit sphere. It has 7 charges.
	You are now speaking Common.
	>
	>speak bard
	>loresing earcuff of power that I hold;Speak of secrets left untold;Show me now for I am bold;Spare no detail don't leave me cold
	>speak common
	You are now speaking Guildspeak.
	You sing in Guildspeak:
	"Earcuff of power that I hold
	Speak of secrets left untold
	Show me now for I am bold
	Spare no detail don't leave me cold"
	As your sing, you feel that the aquamarine earcuff has more to share, but your song simply wasn't powerful enough to glean more.
	You are now speaking Common.
	>
	>speak bard
	>loresing earcuff that I hold in my hand;Tell your secrets and don't be bland;Share your power and make it grand;I seek the knowledge lost in the sand
	You are now speaking Guildspeak.
	>speak common
	You sing in Guildspeak:
	"Earcuff that I hold in my hand
	Tell your secrets and don't be bland
	Share your power and make it grand
	I seek the knowledge lost in the sand"
	Roundtime: 13 sec.
	As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the aquamarine earcuff in your hand...
	The earcuff's resonance whispers to you, but the esoteric murmurs are beyond your understanding.
	You sense that the aquamarine earcuff will persist after its last magical charge has been expended.
	You are now speaking Common.</pre>

JEFFEE83: /* Loresinging strategy for low level bards */

2024-06-14T16:22:58Z

Loresinging strategy for low level bards

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	>speak common		>speak common
	>_state scripting off
	You are now speaking Guildspeak.		You are now speaking Guildspeak.
	You sing in Guildspeak:		You sing in Guildspeak:
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	You are now speaking Guildspeak.		You are now speaking Guildspeak.
	>speak common		>speak common
	>_state scripting off
	You sing in Guildspeak:		You sing in Guildspeak:
	"Earcuff that I hold in my hand		"Earcuff that I hold in my hand

JEFFEE83: /* Loresinging strategy for low level bards */ new section

2024-06-14T16:20:35Z

Loresinging strategy for low level bards: new section

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	:[[User:KRAKII\|KRAKII]] - I'll freely admit some were garbage and some were not :) -- [[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 21:06, 3 August 2021 (CDT)		:[[User:KRAKII\|KRAKII]] - I'll freely admit some were garbage and some were not :) -- [[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 21:06, 3 August 2021 (CDT)
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			== Loresinging strategy for low level bards ==

			Young bards are often ask when they'll be able to loresing items effectively...so I wanted to share a mini-guide for a brute-force method that has worked for me as early as level 10 to reveal all 4 parts of almost any loresong.

			As you level up, you can make the song less complex, thus reducing your RT...but for now it's either this or nothing I think!

			The trick at low levels is to use the "strongest" verse possible and just rotate between two of these verses until you unlock all 4 sections. This means we want 4 lines, all rhyming, and no use of key words. I will provide two basic examples below...and you want to literally make a macro or alias for these two songs...and rotate between them: 1 2 1 2 1 2 until the job is done. Whether your song fails or not, just keep rotating until you get all 4 parts done.

			<pre{{log2}}>You are now speaking Guildspeak.
			You sing in Guildspeak:
			"Earcuff that I hold in my hand
			Tell your secrets and don't be bland
			Share your power and make it grand
			I seek the knowledge lost in the sand"
			Roundtime: 13 sec.
			As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the aquamarine earcuff in your hand...
			This is a tappable item, which casts spells from the Spirit sphere. It has 7 charges.
			You are now speaking Common.
			>
			>speak bard
			>loresing earcuff of power that I hold;Speak of secrets left untold;Show me now for I am bold;Spare no detail don't leave me cold
			>speak common
			>_state scripting off
			You are now speaking Guildspeak.
			You sing in Guildspeak:
			"Earcuff of power that I hold
			Speak of secrets left untold
			Show me now for I am bold
			Spare no detail don't leave me cold"
			As your sing, you feel that the aquamarine earcuff has more to share, but your song simply wasn't powerful enough to glean more.
			You are now speaking Common.
			>
			>speak bard
			>loresing earcuff that I hold in my hand;Tell your secrets and don't be bland;Share your power and make it grand;I seek the knowledge lost in the sand
			You are now speaking Guildspeak.
			>speak common
			>_state scripting off
			You sing in Guildspeak:
			"Earcuff that I hold in my hand
			Tell your secrets and don't be bland
			Share your power and make it grand
			I seek the knowledge lost in the sand"
			Roundtime: 13 sec.
			As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the aquamarine earcuff in your hand...
			The earcuff's resonance whispers to you, but the esoteric murmurs are beyond your understanding.
			You sense that the aquamarine earcuff will persist after its last magical charge has been expended.
			You are now speaking Common.</pre>

NAAMIT: /* Roundtime */ Reply to Krakii

2021-08-04T02:06:52Z

Roundtime: Reply to Krakii

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			:[[User:KRAKII\|KRAKII]] - I'll freely admit some were garbage and some were not :) -- [[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 21:06, 3 August 2021 (CDT)
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KRAKII at 12:55, 3 August 2021

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			I absolutely like the paragraph that you re-wrote, and agree that its location in the 'mechanics' sub-section is better.

			Naamit, that is just crazy precise inspection of things; my hat's off to that! One question on the lines/word count/word size that you tested: were you using actual words or nonsense characters? I recall many years ago someone (Soulpieced? Faegil?) posted a 'test verse' where the only thing in it was the "sword" that he was testing; everything else was 'yada'.

			(The five-line/four-verse progression that I used was "blankety falchion blank blank;blank blankety blank blankety blank blank; blank blankety blank; blankety blank blank;blank blankety river of filth" [as the old joke goes].)
			[[User:KRAKII\|KRAKII]] ([[User talk:KRAKII\|talk]]) 07:55, 3 August 2021 (CDT)

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NAAMIT: Note to Krakii with some research, re: roundtime on loresinging

2021-08-02T14:46:44Z

Note to Krakii with some research, re: roundtime on loresinging

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	:WINTERDAWN, what you have said here, is exactly what I would have expected based on my testing, but I had not yet tested enough to know for sure if I was correct. I'm really happy that you posted this research of yours so that all of us can benefit from it, and the article itself can improve over time. Many Thanks. -Soliere [[User:FIRENSIA\|FIRENSIA]] ([[User talk:FIRENSIA\|talk]]) 08:46, 9 December 2020 (CST)		:WINTERDAWN, what you have said here, is exactly what I would have expected based on my testing, but I had not yet tested enough to know for sure if I was correct. I'm really happy that you posted this research of yours so that all of us can benefit from it, and the article itself can improve over time. Many Thanks. -Soliere [[User:FIRENSIA\|FIRENSIA]] ([[User talk:FIRENSIA\|talk]]) 08:46, 9 December 2020 (CST)

			== Roundtime ==
			[[User:KRAKII\|KRAKII]], you entered a series of roundtimes by item type and song style however they do not paint an accurate picture of the roundtime calculations for loresinging and I don't believe it should be listed on the loresinging page until more research has been completed. For normal items, the base RT is 5 seconds and max is 15; it used to be 5 and 60 but was reduced at some point. There are calculations for word volume and character length. While it is true that a progressive verse will typically yield longer RTs due to there being more words, it is not absolute. There ''are'' special custom loresongs that can cause greater RT but it has nothing to do with weapon type, such as mace versus dagger versus an X/day magic item or a plain imbeddable. Once more concrete evidence of how the calculation is determined, we can add them in to the main page. For now, it should remain generic because there isn't enough proof for exactly how the calculation works. As such, I replaced what you added with the following and placed it in the Mechanics section:

			Roundtime for each verse of loresinging can vary from 5 seconds to 15 seconds for typical items. The roundtime is determined on a verse-by-verse basis. A couplet method, using two lines, will generally produce shorter roundtimes than the progressive method (where the singer repeats previous lines and adds a new one at the end for eachsubsequent verse). Custom loresongs may have their own roundtimes which are higher than normal items. Refer to [[Talk:Loresinging]\|this page] for research on how the number of words used and word length may contribute.

			Also, here are a variety of data points to explain how it can vary beyond what you have suggested. I used a level 10 bard and a capped bard for the longer scenarios, repeating verses on each to verify level was not a factor. I repeated some of these tests using items ranging from a dagger, a spear, a magic imbeddable, etc. This isn't perfect and I haven't added in all the specifics (each verse is 2 lines unless stated) but you should be able to get the gist that there are other layers of complexity at play:
			* 8 words = 5 RT
			* 8 words, 5 greater than 3 letters = 5 RT
			* 8 words, 5 greater than 3 letters = 5 RT
			* 9 words, 3 greater than 3 letters = 5 RT
			* 9 words, 7 greater than 3 letters = 5 RT
			* 9 words, 5 greater than 3 letters = 6 RT
			* 10 words, 3 greater than 3 letters = 5 RT
			* 10 words, 5 greater than 3 characters = 5 RT
			* 10 words, 7 greater than 3 characters = 5 RT
			* 10 words, 6 greater than 3 characters = 6 RT
			* 11 words, 3 of greater than 3 characters; note last word of second sentence being 4 characters long = 5 RT
			* 11 words, 5 of greater than 3 characters; note last word of second sentence being 3 characters long = 5 RT
			* 11 words, 5 of greater than 3 characters; note last word of second sentence being 25 characters long = 7 RT
			* 12 words, 4 greater than 3 characters = 5 RT
			* 12 words, 6 greater than 3 characters = 5 RT
			* 12 words, 8 greater than 3 characters; note last word of both sentences being 4 characters long = 5 RT
			* 12 words, 8 greater than 3 characters; note last word of both sentences being 5 characters long = 6 RT
			* 12 words, 9 greater than 3 characters = 6 RT
			* 12 words, 10 greater than 3 characters = 6 RT
			* 12 words, 11 greater than 3 characters = 8 RT
			* 13 words, 3 greater than 3 characters = 6 RT
			* 13 words, 9 greater than 3 characters = 6 RT
			* 13 words, 11 greater than 3 characters = 6 RT
			* 14 words, 7 of greater than 3 characters = 7 RT
			* 13 words = 6 RT
			* 13 words, 7 of greater than 3 characters = 6 RT
			* 13 words, 9 of greater than 3 characters = 6 RT
			* 14 words, 9 of greater than 3 characters = 7 RT
			* 15 words = 7 RT
			* 16 words = 8 RT
			* 17 words = 8 RT
			* 18 words = 9 RT
			* 20 words = 9 RT
			* 20 words, 6 greater than 3 characters = 7 RT
			* 20 words, 8 greater than 3 characters = 8 RT
			* 20 words, 9 greater than 3 characters = 9 RT
			* 20 words, 10 greater than 3 characters = 9 RT
			* 20 words, 13 greater than 3 characters = 10 RT
			* 21 words = 10 RT
			* 25 words = 11 RT
			* 25 words, 13 greater than 3 characters = 11 RT
			* 26 words, 3 lines. 15 of greater than 3 characters = 11 RT
			* 27 words, 3 lines. 16 of greater than 3 characters = 12 RT
			* 55 words, 2 lines. 24 of greater than 3 characters = 15 RT
			* 82 words, 3 lines. 38 of greater than 3 characters = 15 RT
			* 120 words, 4 lines. 38 of greater than 3 characters = 15 seconds
			* 150 words, 4 lines. 24 of greater than 3 characters = 15 seconds

			[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 09:46, 2 August 2021 (CDT)



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FIRENSIA: /* Example to Help Determine if Something has Temp Padding or Temp Resistance */ thank you and agreement with WINTERDAWN's research re: temporary vs permanent padding and resistance

2020-12-09T14:46:05Z

Example to Help Determine if Something has Temp Padding or Temp Resistance: thank you and agreement with WINTERDAWN's research re: temporary vs permanent padding and resistance

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	Thus, the messaging about charges, placed between the message about the padding and resistance, is actually talking about the resistance. [[User:WINTERDAWN\|WINTERDAWN]] ([[User talk:WINTERDAWN\|talk]]) 13:07, 13 August 2020 (CDT)		Thus, the messaging about charges, placed between the message about the padding and resistance, is actually talking about the resistance. [[User:WINTERDAWN\|WINTERDAWN]] ([[User talk:WINTERDAWN\|talk]]) 13:07, 13 August 2020 (CDT)

			:WINTERDAWN, what you have said here, is exactly what I would have expected based on my testing, but I had not yet tested enough to know for sure if I was correct. I'm really happy that you posted this research of yours so that all of us can benefit from it, and the article itself can improve over time. Many Thanks. -Soliere [[User:FIRENSIA\|FIRENSIA]] ([[User talk:FIRENSIA\|talk]]) 08:46, 9 December 2020 (CST)

WINTERDAWN: /* Example to Help Determine if Something has Temp Padding or Temp Resistance */

2020-08-13T18:08:48Z

Example to Help Determine if Something has Temp Padding or Temp Resistance

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	When its enhancement has degraded away, the item will simply return to normal.		When its enhancement has degraded away, the item will simply return to normal.

	As your song penetrates the double leather, you determine that it is temporarily and moderately resistant (11%) to impact attacks.</~~pre2~~>		As your song penetrates the double leather, you determine that it is temporarily and moderately resistant (11%) to impact attacks.</pre>

	It is difficult to tell from a glance, but this armor has PERMANENT damage padding. The clues are...		It is difficult to tell from a glance, but this armor has PERMANENT damage padding. The clues are...

WINTERDAWN at 18:08, 13 August 2020

2020-08-13T18:08:34Z

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	:That is all I know, and some of it is really not "known" it is just me noticing patterns. But it's hopefully a start. Thank you very much in advance. -Soliere [[User:FIRENSIA\|FIRENSIA]] ([[User talk:FIRENSIA\|talk]]) 15:33, 4 April 2020 (CDT)		:That is all I know, and some of it is really not "known" it is just me noticing patterns. But it's hopefully a start. Thank you very much in advance. -Soliere [[User:FIRENSIA\|FIRENSIA]] ([[User talk:FIRENSIA\|talk]]) 15:33, 4 April 2020 (CDT)

	== ~~Messaging~~ to Help Determine if Something is Temp Padding or Temp Resistance ==		== Example to Help Determine if Something has Temp Padding or Temp Resistance ==

	<pre{{log2}}>You sense a faint aura of magic surrounding the leather. From the pitch of the vibration you determine that the purpose of the leather is as some type of defensive garment. It also appears to have a temporary modification of some kind.		<pre{{log2}}>You sense a faint aura of magic surrounding the leather. From the pitch of the vibration you determine that the purpose of the leather is as some type of defensive garment. It also appears to have a temporary modification of some kind.

WINTERDAWN: Added an example of how to better spot permanent padding when armor has temporary resistance.

2020-08-13T18:07:59Z

Added an example of how to better spot permanent padding when armor has temporary resistance.

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	:That is all I know, and some of it is really not "known" it is just me noticing patterns. But it's hopefully a start. Thank you very much in advance. -Soliere [[User:FIRENSIA\|FIRENSIA]] ([[User talk:FIRENSIA\|talk]]) 15:33, 4 April 2020 (CDT)		:That is all I know, and some of it is really not "known" it is just me noticing patterns. But it's hopefully a start. Thank you very much in advance. -Soliere [[User:FIRENSIA\|FIRENSIA]] ([[User talk:FIRENSIA\|talk]]) 15:33, 4 April 2020 (CDT)

			== Messaging to Help Determine if Something is Temp Padding or Temp Resistance ==

			<pre{{log2}}>You sense a faint aura of magic surrounding the leather. From the pitch of the vibration you determine that the purpose of the leather is as some type of defensive garment. It also appears to have a temporary modification of some kind.

			It has a bonus of +5 from a normal leather, and the way it vibrates in tune with your voice tells you that it is soft leather armor. It also has some type of special ability, but you can't tell what yet. The double leather seems to have some sort of unusual protection against damage.

			The harmonics generated tell you that the leather serves to protect from additional damage.
			The leather resonates with your voice, revealing some details of its temporary enhancement:
			The leather's enhancement will degrade when the wearer is struck in combat.
			It should be able to withstand an incredible amount of uses before its enhancement has completely degraded away.
			When its enhancement has degraded away, the item will simply return to normal.

			As your song penetrates the double leather, you determine that it is temporarily and moderately resistant (11%) to impact attacks.</pre2>

			It is difficult to tell from a glance, but this armor has PERMANENT damage padding. The clues are...

			"The harmonics generated tell you that the leather serves to protect from additional damage." -- temporary padding will say TEMPORARILY in this message (IE: "The harmonics generated tell you that the leather serves to temporarily protect from additional damage.")

			The second clue is the message about what will happen when the charges run out:

			TEMP DAMAGE PADDING: When its enhancement has degraded away, the item will lose its ability to grant greater protection.

			TEMP CRIT PADDING: When its enhancement has degraded away, the item will lose its ability to grant greater protection.

			TEMP RESISTANCE: When its enhancement has degraded away, the item will simply return to normal.

			Thus, the messaging about charges, placed between the message about the padding and resistance, is actually talking about the resistance. [[User:WINTERDAWN\|WINTERDAWN]] ([[User talk:WINTERDAWN\|talk]]) 13:07, 13 August 2020 (CDT)