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CLTIDBALL: Forums links -> Discord info/links?

2023-07-30T16:17:47Z

Forums links -> Discord info/links?

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	:::Can we add skill migration/stat change info within 30 days info into here? I took both fixskill and fixstat out of new player. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 18:45, 11 October 2016 (CDT)		:::Can we add skill migration/stat change info within 30 days info into here? I took both fixskill and fixstat out of new player. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 18:45, 11 October 2016 (CDT)

			== Forums Links ==
			Since the play.net forums have been replaced with Discord stuff, the whole set of links in the "Where To Now/Forums" section should probably be replaced with either a singular Discord link, and/or instructions on how to get authenticated through the game to the official Discord. [[User:CLTIDBALL\|CLTIDBALL]] ([[User talk:CLTIDBALL\|talk]]) 11:17, 30 July 2023 (CDT)

VANKRASN39: /* Official Guide */ Q

2016-10-11T23:45:48Z

Official Guide: Q

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	:Nope, although Simu might get the idea that you're going to transcribe everything for them. Unfortunately that project has been business as usual :) [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:59, 23 March 2016 (CDT)		:Nope, although Simu might get the idea that you're going to transcribe everything for them. Unfortunately that project has been business as usual :) [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:59, 23 March 2016 (CDT)
	::Content has been copied over and I removed the work-in-progress banner. If anyone sees potential areas that a completely new player would find useful please add them. The old guide is still readable through "View history". I considered including the etiquette section but it seems like a non-issue in the current game. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 14:08, 30 March 2016 (CDT)		::Content has been copied over and I removed the work-in-progress banner. If anyone sees potential areas that a completely new player would find useful please add them. The old guide is still readable through "View history". I considered including the etiquette section but it seems like a non-issue in the current game. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 14:08, 30 March 2016 (CDT)

			:::Can we add skill migration/stat change info within 30 days info into here? I took both fixskill and fixstat out of new player. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 18:45, 11 October 2016 (CDT)

ZHOUY1: /* Official Guide */

2016-03-30T19:08:53Z

Official Guide

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	:Nope, although Simu might get the idea that you're going to transcribe everything for them. Unfortunately that project has been business as usual :) [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:59, 23 March 2016 (CDT)		:Nope, although Simu might get the idea that you're going to transcribe everything for them. Unfortunately that project has been business as usual :) [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:59, 23 March 2016 (CDT)
	::Content has been copied over and I removed the work-in-progress banner. If anyone sees potential areas that a completely new player would find useful please add them. The old guide is still readable through "View history". I considered including the etiquette section but it seems like a non-issue in the current game.		::Content has been copied over and I removed the work-in-progress banner. If anyone sees potential areas that a completely new player would find useful please add them. The old guide is still readable through "View history". I considered including the etiquette section but it seems like a non-issue in the current game. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 14:08, 30 March 2016 (CDT)

ZHOUY1: /* Official Guide */ Transcribing complete.

2016-03-30T19:08:35Z

Official Guide: Transcribing complete.

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	:Nope, although Simu might get the idea that you're going to transcribe everything for them. Unfortunately that project has been business as usual :) [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:59, 23 March 2016 (CDT)		:Nope, although Simu might get the idea that you're going to transcribe everything for them. Unfortunately that project has been business as usual :) [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:59, 23 March 2016 (CDT)
			::Content has been copied over and I removed the work-in-progress banner. If anyone sees potential areas that a completely new player would find useful please add them. The old guide is still readable through "View history". I considered including the etiquette section but it seems like a non-issue in the current game.

VANKRASN39: /* Official Guide */ response

2016-03-23T18:59:07Z

Official Guide: response

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	This article includes information about mechanics and etiquette but doesn't cover how to actually ''play'' the game. For new players there is a fairly long official guide at at http://www.play.net/gs4/info/npg/home.asp which so far doesn't seem to have been transcribed to GSWiki. Would anyone object to adding the content here? [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:51, 23 March 2016 (CDT)		This article includes information about mechanics and etiquette but doesn't cover how to actually ''play'' the game. For new players there is a fairly long official guide at at http://www.play.net/gs4/info/npg/home.asp which so far doesn't seem to have been transcribed to GSWiki. Would anyone object to adding the content here? [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:51, 23 March 2016 (CDT)

			:Nope, although Simu might get the idea that you're going to transcribe everything for them. Unfortunately that project has been business as usual :) [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:59, 23 March 2016 (CDT)

ZHOUY1: /* Official Guide */ new section

2016-03-23T18:51:16Z

Official Guide: new section

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	::The questions that new players often ask are, "What is the best stat placement for me?" and (a few weeks in) "Here are my stats, should I change them before the 30 days are over?" I feel the grading system does not directly address these questions. They don't want you to grade their work, they want you to tell them what the right answer is. And really the table isn't an ideal place to present that. It is a handy lookup table for what stats affect what systems and should limit itself to that purpose. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:22, 21 February 2015 (CST)		::The questions that new players often ask are, "What is the best stat placement for me?" and (a few weeks in) "Here are my stats, should I change them before the 30 days are over?" I feel the grading system does not directly address these questions. They don't want you to grade their work, they want you to tell them what the right answer is. And really the table isn't an ideal place to present that. It is a handy lookup table for what stats affect what systems and should limit itself to that purpose. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:22, 21 February 2015 (CST)
	:::I understand why this was changed, and I will stand behind the community. Thanks for the sanity check here. Cheers. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 15:02, 9 March 2015 (CDT)		:::I understand why this was changed, and I will stand behind the community. Thanks for the sanity check here. Cheers. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 15:02, 9 March 2015 (CDT)

			== Official Guide ==

			This article includes information about mechanics and etiquette but doesn't cover how to actually ''play'' the game. For new players there is a fairly long official guide at at http://www.play.net/gs4/info/npg/home.asp which so far doesn't seem to have been transcribed to GSWiki. Would anyone object to adding the content here? [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:51, 23 March 2016 (CDT)

DAID at 20:02, 9 March 2015

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	::Right, and I think the "prime stat" and "main systems" column do a great job of quickly showing the relative importance. If I want to play a warrior I know ST and CO are important but WI not so much, and as you point out I can read more on the profession page. LO is an "A" for the advanced player but will not directly help a new player with any combat systems, which they might appreciate more. [[User:VERSIN\|VERSIN]] ([[User talk:VERSIN\|talk]]) 09:08, 21 February 2015 (CST)		::Right, and I think the "prime stat" and "main systems" column do a great job of quickly showing the relative importance. If I want to play a warrior I know ST and CO are important but WI not so much, and as you point out I can read more on the profession page. LO is an "A" for the advanced player but will not directly help a new player with any combat systems, which they might appreciate more. [[User:VERSIN\|VERSIN]] ([[User talk:VERSIN\|talk]]) 09:08, 21 February 2015 (CST)
	::The questions that new players often ask are, "What is the best stat placement for me?" and (a few weeks in) "Here are my stats, should I change them before the 30 days are over?" I feel the grading system does not directly address these questions. They don't want you to grade their work, they want you to tell them what the right answer is. And really the table isn't an ideal place to present that. It is a handy lookup table for what stats affect what systems and should limit itself to that purpose. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:22, 21 February 2015 (CST)		::The questions that new players often ask are, "What is the best stat placement for me?" and (a few weeks in) "Here are my stats, should I change them before the 30 days are over?" I feel the grading system does not directly address these questions. They don't want you to grade their work, they want you to tell them what the right answer is. And really the table isn't an ideal place to present that. It is a handy lookup table for what stats affect what systems and should limit itself to that purpose. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:22, 21 February 2015 (CST)
			:::I understand why this was changed, and I will stand behind the community. Thanks for the sanity check here. Cheers. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 15:02, 9 March 2015 (CDT)

ZHOUY1 at 19:22, 21 February 2015

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	:I guess the question is if there is a use in giving a general feel for the importance of a statistic for new players or not. The grades, for example, could be given into a more general range than a single value. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 February 2015 (CST)		:I guess the question is if there is a use in giving a general feel for the importance of a statistic for new players or not. The grades, for example, could be given into a more general range than a single value. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 February 2015 (CST)
	::Right, and I think the "prime stat" and "main systems" column do a great job of quickly showing the relative importance. If I want to play a warrior I know ST and CO are important but WI not so much, and as you point out I can read more on the profession page. LO is an "A" for the advanced player but will not directly help a new player with any combat systems, which they might appreciate more. [[User:VERSIN\|VERSIN]] ([[User talk:VERSIN\|talk]]) 09:08, 21 February 2015 (CST)		::Right, and I think the "prime stat" and "main systems" column do a great job of quickly showing the relative importance. If I want to play a warrior I know ST and CO are important but WI not so much, and as you point out I can read more on the profession page. LO is an "A" for the advanced player but will not directly help a new player with any combat systems, which they might appreciate more. [[User:VERSIN\|VERSIN]] ([[User talk:VERSIN\|talk]]) 09:08, 21 February 2015 (CST)
			::The questions that new players often ask are, "What is the best stat placement for me?" and (a few weeks in) "Here are my stats, should I change them before the 30 days are over?" I feel the grading system does not directly address these questions. They don't want you to grade their work, they want you to tell them what the right answer is. And really the table isn't an ideal place to present that. It is a handy lookup table for what stats affect what systems and should limit itself to that purpose. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:22, 21 February 2015 (CST)

VERSIN at 15:08, 21 February 2015

2015-02-21T15:08:07Z

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	:It was mostly an idea to give new players a quick summary. Each professional page should be covering statistics in some detail. That column is actually much more succinct than all my walls of text about the statistics themselves, even if very generalized. For example, Logic really does get an A while Influence really does get an F. The problem is mostly figuring out how to deal with the things in between so that it's a B/C average. I kind of figured someone would have complained about this weeks ago when I made it, but there's always waiting a little while! ^_^ [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 06:53, 21 February 2015 (CST)		:It was mostly an idea to give new players a quick summary. Each professional page should be covering statistics in some detail. That column is actually much more succinct than all my walls of text about the statistics themselves, even if very generalized. For example, Logic really does get an A while Influence really does get an F. The problem is mostly figuring out how to deal with the things in between so that it's a B/C average. I kind of figured someone would have complained about this weeks ago when I made it, but there's always waiting a little while! ^_^ [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 06:53, 21 February 2015 (CST)
	:I guess the question is if there is a use in giving a general feel for the importance of a statistic for new players or not. The grades, for example, could be given into a more general range than a single value. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 February 2015 (CST)		:I guess the question is if there is a use in giving a general feel for the importance of a statistic for new players or not. The grades, for example, could be given into a more general range than a single value. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 February 2015 (CST)
			::Right, and I think the "prime stat" and "main systems" column do a great job of quickly showing the relative importance. If I want to play a warrior I know ST and CO are important but WI not so much, and as you point out I can read more on the profession page. LO is an "A" for the advanced player but will not directly help a new player with any combat systems, which they might appreciate more. [[User:VERSIN\|VERSIN]] ([[User talk:VERSIN\|talk]]) 09:08, 21 February 2015 (CST)

DAID: /* Stats Grades */

2015-02-21T14:32:28Z

Stats Grades

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	Although I think its a commendable idea to try summarize information for the new player, I do not think the grade column accomplishes this goal. The "average" player is not a helpful unit - as the table shows, the usefulness (grade) of the stat is highly dependent upon profession (and to a lesser degree race). I think this table would still be very useful without the grade column. [[User:VERSIN\|VERSIN]] ([[User talk:VERSIN\|talk]]) 00:57, 21 February 2015 (CST)		Although I think its a commendable idea to try summarize information for the new player, I do not think the grade column accomplishes this goal. The "average" player is not a helpful unit - as the table shows, the usefulness (grade) of the stat is highly dependent upon profession (and to a lesser degree race). I think this table would still be very useful without the grade column. [[User:VERSIN\|VERSIN]] ([[User talk:VERSIN\|talk]]) 00:57, 21 February 2015 (CST)
	:It was mostly an idea to give new players a quick summary. Each professional page should be covering statistics in some detail. That column is actually much more succinct than all my walls of text about the statistics themselves, even if very generalized. For example, Logic really does get an A while Influence really does get an F. The problem is mostly figuring out how to deal with the things in between so that it's a B/C average. I kind of figured someone would have complained about this weeks ago when I made it, but there's always waiting a little while! ^_^ [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 06:53, 21 February 2015 (CST)		:It was mostly an idea to give new players a quick summary. Each professional page should be covering statistics in some detail. That column is actually much more succinct than all my walls of text about the statistics themselves, even if very generalized. For example, Logic really does get an A while Influence really does get an F. The problem is mostly figuring out how to deal with the things in between so that it's a B/C average. I kind of figured someone would have complained about this weeks ago when I made it, but there's always waiting a little while! ^_^ [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 06:53, 21 February 2015 (CST)
			:I guess the question is if there is a use in giving a general feel for the importance of a statistic for new players or not. The grades, for example, could be given into a more general range than a single value. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 February 2015 (CST)

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	:Nope, although Simu might get the idea that you're going to transcribe everything for them. Unfortunately that project has been business as usual :) [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:59, 23 March 2016 (CDT)		:Nope, although Simu might get the idea that you're going to transcribe everything for them. Unfortunately that project has been business as usual :) [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:59, 23 March 2016 (CDT)
	::Content has been copied over and I removed the work-in-progress banner. If anyone sees potential areas that a completely new player would find useful please add them. The old guide is still readable through "View history". I considered including the etiquette section but it seems like a non-issue in the current game. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 14:08, 30 March 2016 (CDT)		::Content has been copied over and I removed the work-in-progress banner. If anyone sees potential areas that a completely new player would find useful please add them. The old guide is still readable through "View history". I considered including the etiquette section but it seems like a non-issue in the current game. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 14:08, 30 March 2016 (CDT)

			:::Can we add skill migration/stat change info within 30 days info into here? I took both fixskill and fixstat out of new player. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 18:45, 11 October 2016 (CDT)

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	::Right, and I think the "prime stat" and "main systems" column do a great job of quickly showing the relative importance. If I want to play a warrior I know ST and CO are important but WI not so much, and as you point out I can read more on the profession page. LO is an "A" for the advanced player but will not directly help a new player with any combat systems, which they might appreciate more. [[User:VERSIN\|VERSIN]] ([[User talk:VERSIN\|talk]]) 09:08, 21 February 2015 (CST)		::Right, and I think the "prime stat" and "main systems" column do a great job of quickly showing the relative importance. If I want to play a warrior I know ST and CO are important but WI not so much, and as you point out I can read more on the profession page. LO is an "A" for the advanced player but will not directly help a new player with any combat systems, which they might appreciate more. [[User:VERSIN\|VERSIN]] ([[User talk:VERSIN\|talk]]) 09:08, 21 February 2015 (CST)
	::The questions that new players often ask are, "What is the best stat placement for me?" and (a few weeks in) "Here are my stats, should I change them before the 30 days are over?" I feel the grading system does not directly address these questions. They don't want you to grade their work, they want you to tell them what the right answer is. And really the table isn't an ideal place to present that. It is a handy lookup table for what stats affect what systems and should limit itself to that purpose. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:22, 21 February 2015 (CST)		::The questions that new players often ask are, "What is the best stat placement for me?" and (a few weeks in) "Here are my stats, should I change them before the 30 days are over?" I feel the grading system does not directly address these questions. They don't want you to grade their work, they want you to tell them what the right answer is. And really the table isn't an ideal place to present that. It is a handy lookup table for what stats affect what systems and should limit itself to that purpose. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:22, 21 February 2015 (CST)
			:::I understand why this was changed, and I will stand behind the community. Thanks for the sanity check here. Cheers. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 15:02, 9 March 2015 (CDT)

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	:I guess the question is if there is a use in giving a general feel for the importance of a statistic for new players or not. The grades, for example, could be given into a more general range than a single value. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 February 2015 (CST)		:I guess the question is if there is a use in giving a general feel for the importance of a statistic for new players or not. The grades, for example, could be given into a more general range than a single value. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 February 2015 (CST)
	::Right, and I think the "prime stat" and "main systems" column do a great job of quickly showing the relative importance. If I want to play a warrior I know ST and CO are important but WI not so much, and as you point out I can read more on the profession page. LO is an "A" for the advanced player but will not directly help a new player with any combat systems, which they might appreciate more. [[User:VERSIN\|VERSIN]] ([[User talk:VERSIN\|talk]]) 09:08, 21 February 2015 (CST)		::Right, and I think the "prime stat" and "main systems" column do a great job of quickly showing the relative importance. If I want to play a warrior I know ST and CO are important but WI not so much, and as you point out I can read more on the profession page. LO is an "A" for the advanced player but will not directly help a new player with any combat systems, which they might appreciate more. [[User:VERSIN\|VERSIN]] ([[User talk:VERSIN\|talk]]) 09:08, 21 February 2015 (CST)
			::The questions that new players often ask are, "What is the best stat placement for me?" and (a few weeks in) "Here are my stats, should I change them before the 30 days are over?" I feel the grading system does not directly address these questions. They don't want you to grade their work, they want you to tell them what the right answer is. And really the table isn't an ideal place to present that. It is a handy lookup table for what stats affect what systems and should limit itself to that purpose. [[User:ZHOUY1\|ZHOUY1]] ([[User talk:ZHOUY1\|talk]]) 13:22, 21 February 2015 (CST)

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	:It was mostly an idea to give new players a quick summary. Each professional page should be covering statistics in some detail. That column is actually much more succinct than all my walls of text about the statistics themselves, even if very generalized. For example, Logic really does get an A while Influence really does get an F. The problem is mostly figuring out how to deal with the things in between so that it's a B/C average. I kind of figured someone would have complained about this weeks ago when I made it, but there's always waiting a little while! ^_^ [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 06:53, 21 February 2015 (CST)		:It was mostly an idea to give new players a quick summary. Each professional page should be covering statistics in some detail. That column is actually much more succinct than all my walls of text about the statistics themselves, even if very generalized. For example, Logic really does get an A while Influence really does get an F. The problem is mostly figuring out how to deal with the things in between so that it's a B/C average. I kind of figured someone would have complained about this weeks ago when I made it, but there's always waiting a little while! ^_^ [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 06:53, 21 February 2015 (CST)
	:I guess the question is if there is a use in giving a general feel for the importance of a statistic for new players or not. The grades, for example, could be given into a more general range than a single value. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 February 2015 (CST)		:I guess the question is if there is a use in giving a general feel for the importance of a statistic for new players or not. The grades, for example, could be given into a more general range than a single value. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 February 2015 (CST)
			::Right, and I think the "prime stat" and "main systems" column do a great job of quickly showing the relative importance. If I want to play a warrior I know ST and CO are important but WI not so much, and as you point out I can read more on the profession page. LO is an "A" for the advanced player but will not directly help a new player with any combat systems, which they might appreciate more. [[User:VERSIN\|VERSIN]] ([[User talk:VERSIN\|talk]]) 09:08, 21 February 2015 (CST)

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	Although I think its a commendable idea to try summarize information for the new player, I do not think the grade column accomplishes this goal. The "average" player is not a helpful unit - as the table shows, the usefulness (grade) of the stat is highly dependent upon profession (and to a lesser degree race). I think this table would still be very useful without the grade column. [[User:VERSIN\|VERSIN]] ([[User talk:VERSIN\|talk]]) 00:57, 21 February 2015 (CST)		Although I think its a commendable idea to try summarize information for the new player, I do not think the grade column accomplishes this goal. The "average" player is not a helpful unit - as the table shows, the usefulness (grade) of the stat is highly dependent upon profession (and to a lesser degree race). I think this table would still be very useful without the grade column. [[User:VERSIN\|VERSIN]] ([[User talk:VERSIN\|talk]]) 00:57, 21 February 2015 (CST)
	:It was mostly an idea to give new players a quick summary. Each professional page should be covering statistics in some detail. That column is actually much more succinct than all my walls of text about the statistics themselves, even if very generalized. For example, Logic really does get an A while Influence really does get an F. The problem is mostly figuring out how to deal with the things in between so that it's a B/C average. I kind of figured someone would have complained about this weeks ago when I made it, but there's always waiting a little while! ^_^ [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 06:53, 21 February 2015 (CST)		:It was mostly an idea to give new players a quick summary. Each professional page should be covering statistics in some detail. That column is actually much more succinct than all my walls of text about the statistics themselves, even if very generalized. For example, Logic really does get an A while Influence really does get an F. The problem is mostly figuring out how to deal with the things in between so that it's a B/C average. I kind of figured someone would have complained about this weeks ago when I made it, but there's always waiting a little while! ^_^ [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 06:53, 21 February 2015 (CST)
			:I guess the question is if there is a use in giving a general feel for the importance of a statistic for new players or not. The grades, for example, could be given into a more general range than a single value. [[User:DAID\|DAID]] ([[User talk:DAID\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 February 2015 (CST)