Talk:Player Guide Contest - Revision history

GOAT: /* GOAT's Submissions */

2015-03-07T05:53:47Z

GOAT's Submissions

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	::I do think for things like swinging sorcerers, it's quite feasible to have a more "advanced" section for each of the profession guides. Such once all the basics are covered up front, show what kind of cool stuff players can do with their respective professions as they grow more comfortable with the mechanics and what not of the game. So you're definitely welcome to contribute your work from the PC toward receiving a reward. Thank you for the input and contributions! [[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 10:34, 8 February 2015 (CST)		::I do think for things like swinging sorcerers, it's quite feasible to have a more "advanced" section for each of the profession guides. Such once all the basics are covered up front, show what kind of cool stuff players can do with their respective professions as they grow more comfortable with the mechanics and what not of the game. So you're definitely welcome to contribute your work from the PC toward receiving a reward. Thank you for the input and contributions! [[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 10:34, 8 February 2015 (CST)

	::::Re:swinging sorcerers - I imported my mutant sorcerer guide and added it as a single inline link and footnote to the new sorcerer guide. That seems about the right amount of attention for a new player to give to the matter (that is, almost none, except for curiosity's sake). I also made a decent number of ~~minor~~ contributions ~~to flesh out the~~ main new sorcerer guide.--[[User:GOAT\|GOAT]] ([[User talk:GOAT\|talk]]) 23:28, 6 March 2015 (CST)		::::Re:swinging sorcerers - I imported my mutant sorcerer guide and added it as a single inline link and footnote to the new sorcerer guide. That seems about the right amount of attention for a new player to give to the matter (that is, almost none, except for curiosity's sake). I also made a decent number of small/moderate-sized contributions main new sorcerer guide while I was at it.--[[User:GOAT\|GOAT]] ([[User talk:GOAT\|talk]]) 23:28, 6 March 2015 (CST)

	===VANKRASN39's Submissions===		===VANKRASN39's Submissions===

FIREPHOENIX: Near completion Warrior beginners comments.

2015-03-07T05:34:14Z

Near completion Warrior beginners comments.

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	*Whirlin has a lot of great guides. Silvean's roleplaying guide was exceptional too.		*Whirlin has a lot of great guides. Silvean's roleplaying guide was exceptional too.
	::Yup, yup! Thanks for the info! [[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 10:06, 6 February 2015 (CST)		::Yup, yup! Thanks for the info! [[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 10:06, 6 February 2015 (CST)

			Part II
			*Warrior is in pretty good shape after a lot of revisits.
			*Special thanks to Metadi for his reviews and additional feedback.
			*It is meant to be a warrior to warrior discussion for an early player. I tried to avoid [[New Players' Guide]] redundancies.
			*I did make sure to leave a Mentors shoutout early! Great suggestion Metadi!

	==IXIX's Comments==		==IXIX's Comments==

GOAT: /* GOAT's Submissions */

2015-03-07T05:28:16Z

GOAT's Submissions

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	::I do think for things like swinging sorcerers, it's quite feasible to have a more "advanced" section for each of the profession guides. Such once all the basics are covered up front, show what kind of cool stuff players can do with their respective professions as they grow more comfortable with the mechanics and what not of the game. So you're definitely welcome to contribute your work from the PC toward receiving a reward. Thank you for the input and contributions! [[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 10:34, 8 February 2015 (CST)		::I do think for things like swinging sorcerers, it's quite feasible to have a more "advanced" section for each of the profession guides. Such once all the basics are covered up front, show what kind of cool stuff players can do with their respective professions as they grow more comfortable with the mechanics and what not of the game. So you're definitely welcome to contribute your work from the PC toward receiving a reward. Thank you for the input and contributions! [[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 10:34, 8 February 2015 (CST)

			::::Re:swinging sorcerers - I imported my mutant sorcerer guide and added it as a single inline link and footnote to the new sorcerer guide. That seems about the right amount of attention for a new player to give to the matter (that is, almost none, except for curiosity's sake). I also made a decent number of minor contributions to flesh out the main new sorcerer guide.--[[User:GOAT\|GOAT]] ([[User talk:GOAT\|talk]]) 23:28, 6 March 2015 (CST)

	===VANKRASN39's Submissions===		===VANKRASN39's Submissions===

GS4-SCRIBES: /* Whirlin's Comments */

2015-02-17T21:41:37Z

Whirlin's Comments

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	::I understand your thoughts and concerns and invite you to participate, as I think it's a project you could definitely offer a lot of great knowledge, too. [[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 17:17, 6 February 2015 (CST)		::I understand your thoughts and concerns and invite you to participate, as I think it's a project you could definitely offer a lot of great knowledge, too. [[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 17:17, 6 February 2015 (CST)

			== FYI via Scribes ==

			''Note: This was originally posted over in the Beginner's guide to rangers' discussion page, but is applicable to the contest as a whole. Gracias!''

			Hola guys,

			I will make a similar statement on the wiki (all right, I may just cut and paste, don't judge me) on the disagreements that have been boiling up and over concerning the beginning ranger's guide.

			First off, obviously people are motivated and passionate. That's awesome.

			Second off, per the contest rules and winning rewards, authorship is not important, it's contribution. Those two sound very similar, but someone can author a guide, but then someone else can come in and add an additional 100% of information. They've done the same thing, but they are different. As the irrational arbiter of this contest, I will be ignoring the idea of authorship and looking to contribution (obviously, authorship can be recognized as a contribution).

			Third off, the essence of the contest was to inspire a communal effort to produce fantastic guides. Most of the ranger guide posts have reflected this, but this is not a contest of, "Whomever writes the BEST guide" wins. It's a contest of contribution where everyone wins, but the degree of the reward rests on how much effort they put into it.

			Fourth off, the nature of wikis is one of communal ownership. No one owns an article or a page because everyone has the right to make changes or edits to it. The principle behind it is that society as a whole will land on a consensus that favors the best information over the work of any one individual. if someone wants to create a page entitled, "Joe's Ultimate Guide to Rangering" they are welcome to do so. They do not own that page, either, but it seems that KP has a history of respecting individual's efforts to present their vision unaltered within its realm. I personally do not see a problem following this tradition, either, hence my note to Whirlin on the wiki contest page. However, for the pages that were setup for this contest, no one owns them. No one has a preemptive right of edit, or prima editore or first amongst equals or whatever you want to call it. If someone attempts to build a wall around one of these articles, they will incur my wrath (stop laughing!), but consider this a fresh start for anyone(s) who may have made certain statement(s) to the contrary.

			Fifth off, for those of you are having problems with seeing drafts altered in the middle of drafting. This is a problem as old as wikis and drunk 10th Century monks. It was recommended to use a sandbox. This is a great suggestion and even if you're not comfortable enough to create one on the wiki, then use the old fashion version, a word file. One potential way to work this problem out, create your guide elsewhere, and then invite others to adapt it to the existing material.

			Sixth off, thank you to everyone who has spiritedly engaged in this endeavor. I know while tempers and frustrations have arisen, these are not vain glory projects, but earnest attempts to create helpful guides to new players. That's fantastic! So thank you again!

			Seventh off, please feel free to contact me with any concerns or questions. I want this to be a fun, not infuriating, event. Even if you just want to blow off steam, shoot me an email or catch me on GMail Chat (GMScribes).

			Thanks, guys and gals!

			GM Scribes

GS4-SCRIBES: /* VANKRASN39's Submissions */

2015-02-08T19:53:24Z

VANKRASN39's Submissions

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	::As I mentioned under the IMT talk, and will repeat here because I'm too lazy to just cut and paste and you're right, it better belongs here, is that on the off chance someone chooses premium right from the start and then can choose any of the other towns. It's in the minority for sure, but possible. Attention should be placed on the big three unless folks simply love and know more about the other towns and still want to contribute.[[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 13:36, 8 February 2015 (CST)		::As I mentioned under the IMT talk, and will repeat here because I'm too lazy to just cut and paste and you're right, it better belongs here, is that on the off chance someone chooses premium right from the start and then can choose any of the other towns. It's in the minority for sure, but possible. Attention should be placed on the big three unless folks simply love and know more about the other towns and still want to contribute.[[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 13:36, 8 February 2015 (CST)
	:::For a truly new player, the other towns are not properly set up to really accommodate learning the game on a step by step basis. My guide in those towns would be DON'T START IN THIS TOWN IF YOU ARE NEW TO THE GAME. DON'T DO IT. REALLY. DON'T. Link the three appropriate towns, and that would be it. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:43, 8 February 2015 (CST)		:::For a truly new player, the other towns are not properly set up to really accommodate learning the game on a step by step basis. My guide in those towns would be DON'T START IN THIS TOWN IF YOU ARE NEW TO THE GAME. DON'T DO IT. REALLY. DON'T. Link the three appropriate towns, and that would be it. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:43, 8 February 2015 (CST)
			::::Heh. It might actually be a good thing to put in the general "New Players Guide" the recommendation they start in one of those three towns and something of a less than all caps suggestion in the other towns to reconsider their selection. [[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 13:53, 8 February 2015 (CST)

	==FIREPHOENIX Submissions==		==FIREPHOENIX Submissions==

VANKRASN39: /* VANKRASN39's Submissions */

2015-02-08T19:43:56Z

VANKRASN39's Submissions

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	*This question probably belongs here more than in IMT: Do we really need town starter guides for every town when new players are only dropped in IMT, TV and WL?		*This question probably belongs here more than in IMT: Do we really need town starter guides for every town when new players are only dropped in IMT, TV and WL?
	::As I mentioned under the IMT talk, and will repeat here because I'm too lazy to just cut and paste and you're right, it better belongs here, is that on the off chance someone chooses premium right from the start and then can choose any of the other towns. It's in the minority for sure, but possible. Attention should be placed on the big three unless folks simply love and know more about the other towns and still want to contribute.[[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 13:36, 8 February 2015 (CST)		::As I mentioned under the IMT talk, and will repeat here because I'm too lazy to just cut and paste and you're right, it better belongs here, is that on the off chance someone chooses premium right from the start and then can choose any of the other towns. It's in the minority for sure, but possible. Attention should be placed on the big three unless folks simply love and know more about the other towns and still want to contribute.[[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 13:36, 8 February 2015 (CST)
			:::For a truly new player, the other towns are not properly set up to really accommodate learning the game on a step by step basis. My guide in those towns would be DON'T START IN THIS TOWN IF YOU ARE NEW TO THE GAME. DON'T DO IT. REALLY. DON'T. Link the three appropriate towns, and that would be it. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 13:43, 8 February 2015 (CST)

	==FIREPHOENIX Submissions==		==FIREPHOENIX Submissions==

GS4-SCRIBES: /* VANKRASN39's Submissions */

2015-02-08T19:36:37Z

VANKRASN39's Submissions

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	::Sweet, thanks! [[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 10:06, 6 February 2015 (CST)		::Sweet, thanks! [[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 10:06, 6 February 2015 (CST)
	*This question probably belongs here more than in IMT: Do we really need town starter guides for every town when new players are only dropped in IMT, TV and WL?		*This question probably belongs here more than in IMT: Do we really need town starter guides for every town when new players are only dropped in IMT, TV and WL?
			::As I mentioned under the IMT talk, and will repeat here because I'm too lazy to just cut and paste and you're right, it better belongs here, is that on the off chance someone chooses premium right from the start and then can choose any of the other towns. It's in the minority for sure, but possible. Attention should be placed on the big three unless folks simply love and know more about the other towns and still want to contribute.[[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 13:36, 8 February 2015 (CST)

	==FIREPHOENIX Submissions==		==FIREPHOENIX Submissions==

VANKRASN39: /* VANKRASN39's Submissions */

2015-02-08T18:14:47Z

VANKRASN39's Submissions

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	*I'll also nominate Silvean to get a whole lot of rewarding for [[The Art of Roleplaying in GemStone IV (guide)]]		*I'll also nominate Silvean to get a whole lot of rewarding for [[The Art of Roleplaying in GemStone IV (guide)]]
	::Sweet, thanks! [[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 10:06, 6 February 2015 (CST)		::Sweet, thanks! [[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 10:06, 6 February 2015 (CST)
			*This question probably belongs here more than in IMT: Do we really need town starter guides for every town when new players are only dropped in IMT, TV and WL?

	==FIREPHOENIX Submissions==		==FIREPHOENIX Submissions==

GS4-SCRIBES: /* GOAT's Submissions */

2015-02-08T16:34:56Z

GOAT's Submissions

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	[[User:GOAT\|GOAT]]		[[User:GOAT\|GOAT]]
			::Yo, Goat! The type of RPAs were never really discussed with me, but I'm inclined to use a mixture of either (flat amount vs increased exp gain) depending on the quality or amount of the edits being performed by the editor. I'm always one for more marketing, but definitely not in a position to do anything about it. I leave it to the powers that be to figure out the best way to do so. I do think the guides will help with new player retention and definitely go to the heart of one reason Krakiipedia became such a valuable resource for players since Naos established it years ago. As for the level of the prize, I think it works out pretty well. Then again, I remember when alterations were rather few and far between, oops pardon me a moment, I had dust and spiderwebs getting in my eyes, ahem. ;)

			::I do think for things like swinging sorcerers, it's quite feasible to have a more "advanced" section for each of the profession guides. Such once all the basics are covered up front, show what kind of cool stuff players can do with their respective professions as they grow more comfortable with the mechanics and what not of the game. So you're definitely welcome to contribute your work from the PC toward receiving a reward. Thank you for the input and contributions! [[User:GS4-SCRIBES\|GS4-SCRIBES]] ([[User talk:GS4-SCRIBES\|talk]]) 10:34, 8 February 2015 (CST)

	===VANKRASN39's Submissions===		===VANKRASN39's Submissions===

GOAT: /* GOAT's Submissions */

2015-02-08T09:16:10Z

GOAT's Submissions

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	I started on Icemule, and plan on helping out with a few others. I hope we'll see some new marketing efforts by Simu once this contest is complete.		I started on Icemule, and plan on helping out with a few others. I hope we'll see some new marketing efforts by Simu once this contest is complete.

	I'm pretty underwhelmed by the prizes, though. I'm always happy to see RPAs, but with the recent trend of tightening the reigns on them, I don't know if we're talking 75000 extra experience of 750. I'm even less excited about standard GALD. A contest that could help retain new players, and could see players sinking tens of hours into it, seems like it would top out higher than an EG custom photo contest - more like an unrestricted enchant.		I'm pretty underwhelmed by the prizes, though. I'm always happy to see RPAs, but with the recent trend of tightening the reigns on them, I don't know if we're talking 75000 extra experience of 750. I'm even less excited about standard GALD. A contest that could help retain new players, and could see players sinking tens of hours into it, seems like it would top out higher than an EG custom photo contest - more like an unrestricted enchant. (Edit: To be clear, I understand that you don't owe us anything, and can run your contest however you lile).

	I'll write some documentation either way (even absent any prizes), but probably a few paragraphs here and there instead of a concerted effort.		I'll write some documentation either way (even absent any prizes), but probably a few paragraphs here and there instead of a concerted effort.