Talk:Research:Tehir Language - Revision history

NAAMIT: moved "teur" to oddities.

2018-02-03T15:28:47Z

moved "teur" to oddities.

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	** mu teur as an alternative of ''heavens'': m=n, u=o, te=g, u=o, r=t/l/ng = no got/gol/gong. Teur as it stands doesn't seem to make God (te=g u=o, null/e=d) which would've made sense; it's a possible error in decision to end ''teur'' with an R, or maybe "No Gong" is an easter egg. Or, possibly or No Gold (m=n, u=o, te=g, u=o, r=l null=d), but there isn't a precedent for omission of D without surrounding vowels so far that I've seen.		** mu teur as an alternative of ''heavens'': m=n, u=o, te=g, u=o, r=t/l/ng = no got/gol/gong. Teur as it stands doesn't seem to make God (te=g u=o, null/e=d) which would've made sense; it's a possible error in decision to end ''teur'' with an R, or maybe "No Gong" is an easter egg. Or, possibly or No Gold (m=n, u=o, te=g, u=o, r=l null=d), but there isn't a precedent for omission of D without surrounding vowels so far that I've seen.
	[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 14:00, 2 February 2018 (CST)		[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 14:00, 2 February 2018 (CST)
⚫	* Re: teur as an alternative of 'god': If R=D/B, then it appears the R at the end of Teur was translated forward then shifted backward to English letter in craft. Ufura/Ufuda/Ufuba had this problem as well Are there any other such oddities presenting themselves as 'errors' doing this?
⚫	[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 7:28, 3 February 2018 (CST)


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	* Possible error in official word list. The word for 'Liabo', ''Ufura'', translates directly as ''ivoty'' or ''ivoly''. Should be ''Ufuda'' or ''Ufuba'' assuming that u(i), f(v), u(o), d/b(r) a(y).		* Possible error in official word list. The word for 'Liabo', ''Ufura'', translates directly as ''ivoty'' or ''ivoly''. Should be ''Ufuda'' or ''Ufuba'' assuming that u(i), f(v), u(o), d/b(r) a(y).
	[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 14:00, 2 February 2018 (CST)		[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 14:00, 2 February 2018 (CST)
		⚫	* Re: teur as an alternative of 'god': If R=D/B, then it appears the R at the end of Teur was translated forward then shifted backward to English letter in craft. Ufura/Ufuda/Ufuba had this problem as well Are there any other such oddities presenting themselves as 'errors' doing this?
		⚫	[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 7:28, 3 February 2018 (CST)

NAAMIT: Backward translation of R=D/B found in two words: TEUR and UFURA

2018-02-03T13:06:16Z

Backward translation of R=D/B found in two words: TEUR and UFURA

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	** mu teur as an alternative of ''heavens'': m=n, u=o, te=g, u=o, r=t/l/ng = no got/gol/gong. Teur as it stands doesn't seem to make God (te=g u=o, null/e=d) which would've made sense; it's a possible error in decision to end ''teur'' with an R, or maybe "No Gong" is an easter egg. Or, possibly or No Gold (m=n, u=o, te=g, u=o, r=l null=d), but there isn't a precedent for omission of D without surrounding vowels so far that I've seen.		** mu teur as an alternative of ''heavens'': m=n, u=o, te=g, u=o, r=t/l/ng = no got/gol/gong. Teur as it stands doesn't seem to make God (te=g u=o, null/e=d) which would've made sense; it's a possible error in decision to end ''teur'' with an R, or maybe "No Gong" is an easter egg. Or, possibly or No Gold (m=n, u=o, te=g, u=o, r=l null=d), but there isn't a precedent for omission of D without surrounding vowels so far that I've seen.
	[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 14:00, 2 February 2018 (CST)		[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 14:00, 2 February 2018 (CST)
			* Re: teur as an alternative of 'god': If R=D/B, then it appears the R at the end of Teur was translated forward then shifted backward to English letter in craft. Ufura/Ufuda/Ufuba had this problem as well Are there any other such oddities presenting themselves as 'errors' doing this?
			[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 7:28, 3 February 2018 (CST)

NAAMIT at 21:03, 2 February 2018

2018-02-02T21:03:26Z

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	*If G were T(fem) and TE (masc) though, then we have these:		*If G were T(fem) and TE (masc) though, then we have these:
	** tate: t=h, a=u, te=g. ''Hug.'' Instead of t=h, a=u, te=g, ie=e tatei/huge. Error or excessive vowel droppage?		** tate: t=h, a=u, te=g. ''Hug.'' Instead of t=h, a=u, te=g, ie=e tatei/huge. Error or excessive vowel droppage?
	** teuod: te=g, u=o, o=a, d=t. ~~Makes~~ ''Goat'' ~~clearly in that rule.~~		** teuod: te=g, u=o, o=a, d=t. ''Goat''
	** tzaor: tz=sh, a=o, o=u, r=t -- ''Shout.'' Instead of she-goat literally as ''tzi-tuor,'' tz=sh, i=e, t=g, u=o, o=a, r=t. Error or easter egg?		** tzaor: tz=sh, a=o, o=u, r=t -- ''Shout.'' Instead of she-goat literally as ''tzi-tuor,'' tz=sh, i=e, t=g, u=o, o=a, r=t. Error or easter egg?
	** teuriz. if G were T(fem) and TE (masc), then te=g u=o, null=d, r=l, i=e z=ss?		** teuriz. if G were T(fem) and TE (masc), then te=g u=o, null=d, r=l, i=e z=ss?
			** mu teur as an alternative of ''heavens'': m=n, u=o, te=g, u=o, r=t/l/ng = no got/gol/gong. Teur as it stands doesn't seem to make God (te=g u=o, null/e=d) which would've made sense; it's a possible error in decision to end ''teur'' with an R, or maybe "No Gong" is an easter egg. Or, possibly or No Gold (m=n, u=o, te=g, u=o, r=l null=d), but there isn't a precedent for omission of D without surrounding vowels so far that I've seen.
	[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 14:00, 2 February 2018 (CST)		[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 14:00, 2 February 2018 (CST)

NAAMIT at 20:29, 2 February 2018

2018-02-02T20:29:55Z

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	*If G were T(fem) and TE (masc) though, then we have these:		*If G were T(fem) and TE (masc) though, then we have these:
	** tate: t=h, a=u, te=g. ''Hug.'' Instead of t=h, a=u, te=g, ie=e ~~tateie~~/huge. ~~Excessive~~ vowel droppage?		** tate: t=h, a=u, te=g. ''Hug.'' Instead of t=h, a=u, te=g, ie=e tatei/huge. Error or excessive vowel droppage?
	** teuod: te=g, u=o, o=a, d=t. Makes ''Goat'' clearly in that rule.		** teuod: te=g, u=o, o=a, d=t. Makes ''Goat'' clearly in that rule.
	** tzaor: tz=sh, a=o, o=u, r=t -- ''Shout.'' Instead of she-goat literally as ''tzi-tuor,'' tz=sh, i=e, t=g, u=o, o=a, r=t. Error or easter egg?		** tzaor: tz=sh, a=o, o=u, r=t -- ''Shout.'' Instead of she-goat literally as ''tzi-tuor,'' tz=sh, i=e, t=g, u=o, o=a, r=t. Error or easter egg?

NAAMIT: fixed ramble

2018-02-02T20:25:09Z

fixed ramble

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	** tate: t=h, a=u, te=g. ''Hug.'' Instead of t=h, a=u, te=g, ie=e tateie/huge. Excessive vowel droppage?		** tate: t=h, a=u, te=g. ''Hug.'' Instead of t=h, a=u, te=g, ie=e tateie/huge. Excessive vowel droppage?
	** teuod: te=g, u=o, o=a, d=t. Makes ''Goat'' clearly in that rule.		** teuod: te=g, u=o, o=a, d=t. Makes ''Goat'' clearly in that rule.
	** tzaor: tz=sh, a=o, o=u, r=t -- ''Shout.'' Instead of she-goat literally as ''tzi-tuor,'' tz=sh, i=e, t=g, u=o, o=a, r=t. Error or easter egg? ~~[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 14:00, 2 February 2018 (CST)~~		** tzaor: tz=sh, a=o, o=u, r=t -- ''Shout.'' Instead of she-goat literally as ''tzi-tuor,'' tz=sh, i=e, t=g, u=o, o=a, r=t. Error or easter egg?
		⚫	** teuriz. if G were T(fem) and TE (masc), then te=g u=o, null=d, r=l, i=e z=ss?
		⚫	[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 14:00, 2 February 2018 (CST)


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	* teuriz = godless, but is the o=eu or u?		* teuriz = godless, but is the o=eu or u?
	[[User:MOURNE\|MOURNE]] ([[User talk:MOURNE\|talk]]) 07:52, 2 February 2018 (CST)		[[User:MOURNE\|MOURNE]] ([[User talk:MOURNE\|talk]]) 07:52, 2 February 2018 (CST)

⚫	* ~~re: Teuriz~~. if G were T(fem) and TE (masc), then te=g u=o, null=d, r=l, i=e z=ss?
⚫	[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 14:00, 2 February 2018 (CST)

	==ST[R]==		==ST[R]==

NAAMIT: /* Oddities */

2018-02-02T20:23:50Z

Oddities

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	==Oddities==		==Oddities==

	* On Zomjii/Zhomjii: 'tankee' and 'thankee' are quite informal but one could also consider: ''zhomjz'' for thanks, ''uzhomj-aua'' for ''I thank you.''		* On Zomjii/Zhomjii: 'tankee' and 'thankee' are quite informal but one could also consider: ''zhomjz'' for thanks, ''uzhomj-aua'' for ''I thank you.'' Though it doesn't explain any of the excessive vowel rules that could be caught up in ''aua' for ''you''
	* Possible error in official word list. The word for 'knife', ''meiv'', should be ''miev'' or ''muv''?		* Possible error in official word list. The word for 'knife', ''meiv'', should be ''miev'' or ''muv''?
	* Possible error in official word list. The word for 'Liabo', ''Ufura'', translates directly as ''ivoty'' or ''ivoly''. Should be ''Ufuba'' assuming that u(i), f(v), u(o), b(r) a(y).		* Possible error in official word list. The word for 'Liabo', ''Ufura'', translates directly as ''ivoty'' or ''ivoly''. Should be ''Ufuda'' or ''Ufuba'' assuming that u(i), f(v), u(o), d/b(r) a(y).
	[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 14:00, 2 February 2018 (CST)		[[User:NAAMIT\|NAAMIT]] ([[User talk:NAAMIT\|talk]]) 14:00, 2 February 2018 (CST)

NAAMIT: bunch of rambling :>

2018-02-02T20:21:26Z

bunch of rambling :>

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 If G is just T straight up, there's no call for special substitution rule of gh=tt, since both g and h would be t naturally. This may be another mark in favor of G=T.
 [[User:MOURNE|MOURNE]] ([[User talk:MOURNE|talk]]) 07:52, 2 February 2018 (CST)
 ==O==
 :Question of whether O may also translate as eu, not just u.
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 ==ST[R]==
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 *vur = strong, v=st(r?), u=o, r=ng
 [[User:MOURNE|MOURNE]] ([[User talk:MOURNE|talk]]) 07:52, 2 February 2018 (CST)

MOURNE at 13:52, 2 February 2018

2018-02-02T13:52:57Z

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	* tudy = girl (appears to be just T)		* tudy = girl (appears to be just T)
	* teuod = goat ''(Here we may overlap with a potential eu=o, that Xorus brought up)''		* teuod = goat ''(Here we may overlap with a potential eu=o, that Xorus brought up)''
	* tzaor = she-goat (while sh=tz, we seem to be missing some letters here, so this might have been massaged.)		* tzaor = she-goat (while sh=tz, we seem to be missing some letters here, so this might have been massaged/there may be structure rules I'm not seeing.)

	If G is just T straight up, there's no call for special substitution rule of gh=tt, since both g and h would be t naturally. This may be another mark in favor of G=T.		If G is just T straight up, there's no call for special substitution rule of gh=tt, since both g and h would be t naturally. This may be another mark in favor of G=T.
			[[User:MOURNE\|MOURNE]] ([[User talk:MOURNE\|talk]]) 07:52, 2 February 2018 (CST)

	==O==		==O==
	:Question of whether O may also translate as eu, not just u.		:Question of whether O may also translate as eu, not just u.
	Examples that support may be overlapping with G, which is also in question above.		Examples that support may be overlapping with G, which is also in question above.
	* teuriz = godless, but is the o=eu or u?		* teuriz = godless, but is the o=eu or u?
			[[User:MOURNE\|MOURNE]] ([[User talk:MOURNE\|talk]]) 07:52, 2 February 2018 (CST)



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	Argument for:		Argument for:
	*vur = strong, v=st(r?), u=o, r=ng		*vur = strong, v=st(r?), u=o, r=ng
			[[User:MOURNE\|MOURNE]] ([[User talk:MOURNE\|talk]]) 07:52, 2 February 2018 (CST)

MOURNE: /* G */

2018-02-02T10:34:01Z

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	* tzaor = she-goat (while sh=tz, we seem to be missing some letters here, so this might have been massaged.)		* tzaor = she-goat (while sh=tz, we seem to be missing some letters here, so this might have been massaged.)

			If G is just T straight up, there's no call for special substitution rule of gh=tt, since both g and h would be t naturally. This may be another mark in favor of G=T.

	==O==		==O==

MOURNE: Created page with "==G== :There's some extra question around the translation of G, as tu/te or just T. Examples from official: * qut = big (appears to be just T) * tate = huge (huge should be..."

2018-02-02T10:02:43Z

Created page with "==G== :There's some extra question around the translation of G, as tu/te or just T. Examples from official: * qut = big (appears to be just T) * tate = huge (huge should be..."

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==G==
:There's some extra question around the translation of G, as tu/te or just T.
Examples from official:
* qut = big (appears to be just T)
* tate = huge (huge should be tati if G=T, or tatui/tatei if G=TU/TE. May be running into a 'drop vowel if X' rule)
* tudy = girl (appears to be just T)
* teuod = goat ''(Here we may overlap with a potential eu=o, that Xorus brought up)''
* tzaor = she-goat (while sh=tz, we seem to be missing some letters here, so this might have been massaged.)

==O==
:Question of whether O may also translate as eu, not just u.
Examples that support may be overlapping with G, which is also in question above.
* teuriz = godless, but is the o=eu or u?

==ST[R]==
:Uncertain on whether the ST substitution (v) is also the same as an STR substitution (otherwise vd/vb)
Argument for:
*vur = strong, v=st(r?), u=o, r=ng