Talk:Vigor (1616) - Revision history

CLTIDBALL: Question, re: the two blessings-to-hp table sets.

2022-01-17T22:34:34Z

Question, re: the two blessings-to-hp table sets.

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			Can someone who knows more than I do edit the Vigor (1616) page to only have one set of Blessings->MaxHP tables (the correct set, hopefully!), instead of the two that are there currently? Thanks! [[User:CLTIDBALL\|CLTIDBALL]] ([[User talk:CLTIDBALL\|talk]]) 16:34, 17 January 2022 (CST)

	The suggested HP bonus formula on play.net seems to be either very poorly written or simply wrong. Anyone know the exact formula? One that's been verified with more than one paladin build? [[User:KAGE\|KAGE]] 07:55, 2 December 2011 (EST)		The suggested HP bonus formula on play.net seems to be either very poorly written or simply wrong. Anyone know the exact formula? One that's been verified with more than one paladin build? [[User:KAGE\|KAGE]] 07:55, 2 December 2011 (EST)

VANKRASN39 at 03:01, 16 February 2017

2017-02-16T03:01:26Z

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			:Actually, we do look at the discussion pages. Another proper place though to ask about specific mechanics that Dev GMs will actually look at is the Officials. [[User:VANKRASN39\|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39\|talk]]) 21:01, 15 February 2017 (CST)

VANKRASN39: move info

2017-02-16T03:00:03Z

move info

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	[[User:MICHN18\|MICHN18]] ([[User talk:MICHN18\|talk]]) 12:31, 5 January 2016 (CST)		[[User:MICHN18\|MICHN18]] ([[User talk:MICHN18\|talk]]) 12:31, 5 January 2016 (CST)

			'''Real Lore Benefits'''

			I did some more complete testing and I thought I'd post my findings here since I don't think people look at the Talk page often. For the purposes of my tests I used my capped half elf Paladin. My Paladin has 160 Health with 100 Constitution. Relevant skills to start were 40 Paladin Base spells and 0 ranks of Blessings Lore. Conceivably relevant skills were 202 ranks of Physical Fitness, 101 ranks of Harness Power, 25 ranks of SMC, 17 ranks of Religion Lore and 26 ranks of Summoning Lore. I mention this because the Max Health bonus I receive with 0 ranks of Blessings Lore is also incorrect based on the current formula so perhaps there is some other factor contributing to it. Throughout the tests the Constitution enhancive granted by Vigor remained constant at +10 to stat and +5 to bonus. I didn't feel like completely messing up my training so I stopped at 31 ranks of Blessings Lore. This table is accurate as of 2/15/17. I can't remember how to do the wiki signature, but I am Nylis/Raelor/MichN18/Aequis

			<table><tr valign="top"><td>
			{\| {{prettytable}}
			\|-
			!width=80; style="background:#DDDDDD"\| Lore Ranks
			!width=80; style="background:#DDDDDD"\| Total Max Health Bonus
			\|-
			\|align=center\|0
			\|align=center\|24
			\|-
			\|align=center\|1
			\|align=center\|27
			\|-
			\|align=center\|2
			\|align=center\|28
			\|-
			\|align=center\|3
			\|align=center\|29
			\|-
			\|align=center\|4
			\|align=center\|30
			\|-
			\|align=center\|5
			\|align=center\|31
			\|-
			\|align=center\|6
			\|align=center\|32
			\|-
			\|align=center\|8
			\|align=center\|33
			\|-
			\|align=center\|10
			\|align=center\|34
			\|-
			\|align=center\|12
			\|align=center\|35
			\|}</td>
			<td>
			{\| {{prettytable}}
			\|-
			!width=80; style="background:#DDDDDD"\| Lore Ranks
			!width=80; style="background:#DDDDDD"\| Total Max Health Bonus
			\|-
			\|align=center\|15
			\|align=center\|36
			\|-
			\|align=center\|18
			\|align=center\|37
			\|-
			\|align=center\|21
			\|align=center\|38
			\|-
			\|align=center\|26
			\|align=center\|39
			\|-
			\|align=center\|31
			\|align=center\|40
			\|}</td></tr></table>

MICHN18: /* The max health calculation is all wrong */

2016-01-06T16:02:53Z

The max health calculation is all wrong

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	I passed out while logged in and I didn't check again until I had completely trained out of blessings lore. With 0 ranks of blessings lore I now receive 24 max health. So that blows up every theory I was working on.		I passed out while logged in and I didn't check again until I had completely trained out of blessings lore. With 0 ranks of blessings lore I now receive 24 max health. So that blows up every theory I was working on.

			In a subsequent build modification I reduced my paladin spells to 40 and the max health bonus from 1616 remained static at 24.

	[[User:MICHN18\|MICHN18]] ([[User talk:MICHN18\|talk]]) 12:31, 5 January 2016 (CST)		[[User:MICHN18\|MICHN18]] ([[User talk:MICHN18\|talk]]) 12:31, 5 January 2016 (CST)

MICHN18 at 18:31, 5 January 2016

2016-01-05T18:31:32Z

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	I passed out while logged in and I didn't check again until I had completely trained out of blessings lore. With 0 ranks of blessings lore I now receive 24 max health. So that blows up every theory I was working on.		I passed out while logged in and I didn't check again until I had completely trained out of blessings lore. With 0 ranks of blessings lore I now receive 24 max health. So that blows up every theory I was working on.

			[[User:MICHN18\|MICHN18]] ([[User talk:MICHN18\|talk]]) 12:31, 5 January 2016 (CST)

MICHN18: /* The max health calculation is all wrong */

2015-12-31T02:07:25Z

The max health calculation is all wrong

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	With 3 ranks of lore, 29 max health.		With 3 ranks of lore, 29 max health.

			Fast forward -
	I account for the extra point of max health by theorizing that the max health bonus from paladin spells is not capped at 40.

			I passed out while logged in and I didn't check again until I had completely trained out of blessings lore. With 0 ranks of blessings lore I now receive 24 max health. So that blows up every theory I was working on.

MICHN18: /* The max health calculation is all wrong */

2015-12-29T16:59:28Z

The max health calculation is all wrong

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	As of now, based on the spell description, I should be receiving 27 max health (20 from 1616 max health bonus, 5 from the CON Bonus from 1616, and 2 from lore) but instead I'm receiving 30 max health.		As of now, based on the spell description, I should be receiving 27 max health (20 from 1616 max health bonus, 5 from the CON Bonus from 1616, and 2 from lore) but instead I'm receiving 30 max health.

			With 3 ranks of lore, 29 max health.
	Based on my observations of the reduction in the max health bonus as I migrated out of blessings lore I theorize that the actual bonus is +2 max health per seed 1 of blessings lore awarded linearly at half-seed intervals such that I lost one max health when I dropped from 6 to 5 and another when I dropped from 5 to 4. I predict that I will not lose any more max health until I reach 2 ranks at which point I will lose one max health and again at 1 rank. Finally I predict that I will lose two max health when I drop below 1 rank.

	I account for the extra point of max health by theorizing that the max health bonus from paladin spells is not capped at 40.		I account for the extra point of max health by theorizing that the max health bonus from paladin spells is not capped at 40.

MICHN18: /* The max health calculation is all wrong */

2015-12-29T09:52:51Z

The max health calculation is all wrong

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	As of now, based on the spell description, I should be receiving 27 max health (20 from 1616 max health bonus, 5 from the CON Bonus from 1616, and 2 from lore) but instead I'm receiving 30 max health.		As of now, based on the spell description, I should be receiving 27 max health (20 from 1616 max health bonus, 5 from the CON Bonus from 1616, and 2 from lore) but instead I'm receiving 30 max health.

	Based on my observations of the reduction in the max health bonus as I migrated out of blessings lore I theorize that the actual bonus is +2 max health per seed 1 of blessings lore ~~award~~ linearly at half-seed intervals such that I lost one max health when I dropped from 6 to 5 and another when I dropped from 5 to 4. I predict that I will not lose any more max health until I reach 2 ranks at which point I will lose one max health and again at 1 rank. Finally I predict that I will lose two max health when I drop below 1 rank.		Based on my observations of the reduction in the max health bonus as I migrated out of blessings lore I theorize that the actual bonus is +2 max health per seed 1 of blessings lore awarded linearly at half-seed intervals such that I lost one max health when I dropped from 6 to 5 and another when I dropped from 5 to 4. I predict that I will not lose any more max health until I reach 2 ranks at which point I will lose one max health and again at 1 rank. Finally I predict that I will lose two max health when I drop below 1 rank.

	I account for the extra point of max health by theorizing that the max health bonus from paladin spells is not capped at 40.		I account for the extra point of max health by theorizing that the max health bonus from paladin spells is not capped at 40.

MICHN18: /* The max health calculation is all wrong */ new section

2015-12-29T09:51:22Z

The max health calculation is all wrong: new section

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	The suggested HP bonus formula on play.net seems to be either very poorly written or simply wrong. Anyone know the exact formula? One that's been verified with more than one paladin build? [[User:KAGE\|KAGE]] 07:55, 2 December 2011 (EST)		The suggested HP bonus formula on play.net seems to be either very poorly written or simply wrong. Anyone know the exact formula? One that's been verified with more than one paladin build? [[User:KAGE\|KAGE]] 07:55, 2 December 2011 (EST)

			== The max health calculation is all wrong ==

			Here's my working theory based on my recent skill migration out of blessings lore.

			As a capped half elf with 100 CON I have 160 base health.

			With 43 paladin spells and 6 ranks of blessings lore I had 192 health with 1616 up. I began migration out of blessings lore and that immediately dropped to 191. When I broke through to 4.9xx ranks my health with 1616 up dropped to 190.

			As of now, based on the spell description, I should be receiving 27 max health (20 from 1616 max health bonus, 5 from the CON Bonus from 1616, and 2 from lore) but instead I'm receiving 30 max health.

			Based on my observations of the reduction in the max health bonus as I migrated out of blessings lore I theorize that the actual bonus is +2 max health per seed 1 of blessings lore award linearly at half-seed intervals such that I lost one max health when I dropped from 6 to 5 and another when I dropped from 5 to 4. I predict that I will not lose any more max health until I reach 2 ranks at which point I will lose one max health and again at 1 rank. Finally I predict that I will lose two max health when I drop below 1 rank.

			I account for the extra point of max health by theorizing that the max health bonus from paladin spells is not capped at 40.

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The suggested HP bonus formula on play.net seems to be either very poorly written or simply wrong. Anyone know the exact formula? One that's been verified with more than one paladin build? [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 07:55, 2 December 2011 (EST)

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	[[User:MICHN18\|MICHN18]] ([[User talk:MICHN18\|talk]]) 12:31, 5 January 2016 (CST)		[[User:MICHN18\|MICHN18]] ([[User talk:MICHN18\|talk]]) 12:31, 5 January 2016 (CST)

			'''Real Lore Benefits'''

			I did some more complete testing and I thought I'd post my findings here since I don't think people look at the Talk page often. For the purposes of my tests I used my capped half elf Paladin. My Paladin has 160 Health with 100 Constitution. Relevant skills to start were 40 Paladin Base spells and 0 ranks of Blessings Lore. Conceivably relevant skills were 202 ranks of Physical Fitness, 101 ranks of Harness Power, 25 ranks of SMC, 17 ranks of Religion Lore and 26 ranks of Summoning Lore. I mention this because the Max Health bonus I receive with 0 ranks of Blessings Lore is also incorrect based on the current formula so perhaps there is some other factor contributing to it. Throughout the tests the Constitution enhancive granted by Vigor remained constant at +10 to stat and +5 to bonus. I didn't feel like completely messing up my training so I stopped at 31 ranks of Blessings Lore. This table is accurate as of 2/15/17. I can't remember how to do the wiki signature, but I am Nylis/Raelor/MichN18/Aequis

			<table><tr valign="top"><td>
			{\| {{prettytable}}
			\|-
			!width=80; style="background:#DDDDDD"\| Lore Ranks
			!width=80; style="background:#DDDDDD"\| Total Max Health Bonus
			\|-
			\|align=center\|0
			\|align=center\|24
			\|-
			\|align=center\|1
			\|align=center\|27
			\|-
			\|align=center\|2
			\|align=center\|28
			\|-
			\|align=center\|3
			\|align=center\|29
			\|-
			\|align=center\|4
			\|align=center\|30
			\|-
			\|align=center\|5
			\|align=center\|31
			\|-
			\|align=center\|6
			\|align=center\|32
			\|-
			\|align=center\|8
			\|align=center\|33
			\|-
			\|align=center\|10
			\|align=center\|34
			\|-
			\|align=center\|12
			\|align=center\|35
			\|}</td>
			<td>
			{\| {{prettytable}}
			\|-
			!width=80; style="background:#DDDDDD"\| Lore Ranks
			!width=80; style="background:#DDDDDD"\| Total Max Health Bonus
			\|-
			\|align=center\|15
			\|align=center\|36
			\|-
			\|align=center\|18
			\|align=center\|37
			\|-
			\|align=center\|21
			\|align=center\|38
			\|-
			\|align=center\|26
			\|align=center\|39
			\|-
			\|align=center\|31
			\|align=center\|40
			\|}</td></tr></table>