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NSTEED: link to lootcap page

2026-03-23T21:10:53Z

link to lootcap page

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	The '''Trading''' [[skill]] factors into many [[merchant]] systems, adjusting the resulting prices of goods.		The '''Trading''' [[skill]] factors into many [[merchant]] systems, adjusting the resulting prices of goods.

	To deter silver farming, there is a cap on the trading bonus (including racial bonus) to the first 1 million silvers of non-self-looted treasure. Any loot personally received from hunting doesn't count towards this cap. This cap should not be confused with ~~"loot~~ cap" a separate system. Silvers gained from trading do count towards the loot cap, trading will get to loot cap faster, trading will not gain silvers in excess of loot cap.		To deter silver farming, there is a cap on the trading bonus (including racial bonus) to the first 1 million silvers of non-self-looted treasure. Any loot personally received from hunting doesn't count towards this cap. This cap should not be confused with [[Loot cap]] a separate system. Silvers gained from trading do count towards the loot cap, trading will get to loot cap faster, trading will not gain silvers in excess of loot cap.

	{{skill\|		{{skill\|

NSTEED: Updated to include impact on lootcap

2026-03-23T21:07:37Z

Updated to include impact on lootcap

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	The '''Trading''' [[skill]] factors into many [[merchant]] systems, adjusting the resulting prices of goods.		The '''Trading''' [[skill]] factors into many [[merchant]] systems, adjusting the resulting prices of goods.

	To deter silver farming, there is a cap on the trading bonus (including racial bonus) to the first 1 million silvers of non-self-looted treasure. Any loot personally received from hunting doesn't count towards this cap.		To deter silver farming, there is a cap on the trading bonus (including racial bonus) to the first 1 million silvers of non-self-looted treasure. Any loot personally received from hunting doesn't count towards this cap. This cap should not be confused with "loot cap" a separate system. Silvers gained from trading do count towards the loot cap, trading will get to loot cap faster, trading will not gain silvers in excess of loot cap.

	{{skill\|		{{skill\|

NSTEED: It's not at all hard to hit 1M loot, so it doesn't broadly speaking "not apply" to many charaters.

2026-02-25T20:09:27Z

It's not at all hard to hit 1M loot, so it doesn't broadly speaking "not apply" to many charaters.

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	The '''Trading''' [[skill]] factors into many [[merchant]] systems, adjusting the resulting prices of goods.		The '''Trading''' [[skill]] factors into many [[merchant]] systems, adjusting the resulting prices of goods.

	To deter silver farming, there is a cap on the trading bonus (including racial bonus) to the first 1 million silvers of non-self-looted treasure. Any loot personally received from hunting doesn't count towards this cap. ~~It is extremely difficult to reach this cap and thus applies to very few players.~~		To deter silver farming, there is a cap on the trading bonus (including racial bonus) to the first 1 million silvers of non-self-looted treasure. Any loot personally received from hunting doesn't count towards this cap.

	{{skill\|		{{skill\|

JERAMYN2: clarity

2024-04-19T03:07:05Z

clarity

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	The '''Trading''' [[skill]] factors into many [[merchant]] systems, adjusting the resulting prices of goods.		The '''Trading''' [[skill]] factors into many [[merchant]] systems, adjusting the resulting prices of goods.

	To deter silver farming, there is a cap on the trading bonus to the first 1 million silvers of non-self-looted treasure. Any loot personally received from hunting doesn't count towards this cap. It is extremely difficult to reach this cap and thus applies to very few players.		To deter silver farming, there is a cap on the trading bonus (including racial bonus) to the first 1 million silvers of non-self-looted treasure. Any loot personally received from hunting doesn't count towards this cap. It is extremely difficult to reach this cap and thus applies to very few players.

	{{skill\|		{{skill\|

SSJMORALES: /* Selling gems */ no more penalties

2024-01-16T20:26:09Z

Selling gems: no more penalties

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	{{math\|RawGemValue * [SkillBoost + RaceBiasFactor]}}		{{math\|RawGemValue * [SkillBoost + RaceBiasFactor]}}

	''RaceBiasFactor'' reflects the opinion about your race by the shop owner. For example, a [[~~dwarf~~]] in the [[Elven Nations]] has ~~a ''RaceBiasFactor'' of -0.15 (read: 15% penalty), while elves in the same area have~~ a ''RaceBiasFactor'' of +0.05 (read: 5% bonus). So if our player with a 19% ''SkillBoost'' is an elf in the Elven Nations, a gem with a base value of 5000 silvers earns 5000 * [1.19 + 0.05] = 5000 * 1.24 = 6200 silvers.		''RaceBiasFactor'' reflects the opinion about your race by the shop owner. For example, an [[elf]] in the [[Elven Nations]] has a ''RaceBiasFactor'' of +0.05 (read: 5% bonus). So if our player with a 19% ''SkillBoost'' is an elf in the Elven Nations, a gem with a base value of 5000 silvers earns 5000 * [1.19 + 0.05] = 5000 * 1.24 = 6200 silvers.

	===Buying from the pawnshop===		===Buying from the pawnshop===

GS4-OSCURO at 16:10, 7 December 2020

2020-12-07T16:10:39Z

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	\| Rogueranks = 2 \|\| Roguecost = 0/3		\| Rogueranks = 2 \|\| Roguecost = 0/3
	\| Sorcererranks = 2 \|\| Sorcerercost = 0/3		\| Sorcererranks = 2 \|\| Sorcerercost = 0/3
	\| Warriorranks = 2 \|\| Warriorcost = 0/4		\| Warriorranks = 2 \|\| Warriorcost = 0/3
	\| Paladinranks = 2 \|\| Paladincost = 0/3		\| Paladinranks = 2 \|\| Paladincost = 0/3
	\| Wizardranks = 2 \|\| Wizardcost = 0/3		\| Wizardranks = 2 \|\| Wizardcost = 0/3

DOUG at 16:26, 14 June 2019

2019-06-14T16:26:59Z

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	===Appraising items===		===Appraising items===
	Current research suggests that RANKS + d100 > 100 for a successful appraisal, but this formula is uncertain.		Current research suggests that RANKS + d100 > 100 for a successful appraisal, but this formula is uncertain.

			==Resources==
			* [[/saved posts\|Saved posts]]

WHIGHTCNIGHT: /* Skill boost */

2018-12-08T19:14:40Z

Skill boost

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	Max Trading Bonus Chart based on Influence bonuses ranging from -2 to 45.		Max Trading Bonus Chart based on Influence bonuses ranging from -2 to 45.
	Click on [<font color=blue>Expand</font>] just below and to the right for the '''Max Trading Chart'''.		Click on [<font color=blue>Expand</font>] just below and to the right for the '''Max Trading Chart'''. Alternatively, you can also download and run <code>;tradingranks</code> from the Lich repository to show you the various Trading rank training thresholds for your character's current INF bonus.
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ZHOUY1: /* Trading formula */ Fix some math display issues.

2017-11-20T19:48:50Z

Trading formula: Fix some math display issues.

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	===Skill boost===		===Skill boost===
	Defined as: <math>SkillBoost = Trunc[~~\frac{~~TradingSkill + INFBonus}{12}]~~</math>~~ where ''INFBonus'' is the bonus to [[influence]].		Defined as: {{math\|SkillBoost {{=}} Trunc[(TradingSkill + INFBonus)/12]}} where ''INFBonus'' is the bonus to [[influence]].
	:''NB1'': Truncate. -0.9 is 0. 0.9 is also 0. -1.1 is -1, and 1.1 is 1. This means that the effective range of '0' is far larger (from -11 to +11, so that's 23 possibles, instead of the usual 12).		:''NB1'': Truncate. -0.9 is 0. 0.9 is also 0. -1.1 is -1, and 1.1 is 1. This means that the effective range of '0' is far larger (from -11 to +11, so that's 23 possibles, instead of the usual 12).

	:''NB2'': You MUST have 1+''SkillBoost'' ranks of trading to make it count. For example, a player with 35 INF but no trading would have 35/12 = 2.91 = 2 ''SkillBoost'', but in order to enjoy a ''SkillBoost'' of 2 you would need 3 (2+1) ranks of trading to make it count, or you get nothing. So, you train up to 3 ranks, which gives you a total ''SkillBoost'' of (35+15)/12 = 4.166... and yet you still get just 2% ''SkillBoost'', because 3 ranks will not ever grant more than 2%. In practice, this minimum requirement is only important for the first 5 or 6 ranks, after that you will always meet this requirement.		:''NB2'': You MUST have 1+''SkillBoost'' ranks of trading to make it count. For example, a player with 35 INF but no trading would have 35/12 = 2.91 = 2 ''SkillBoost'', but in order to enjoy a ''SkillBoost'' of 2 you would need 3 (2+1) ranks of trading to make it count, or you get nothing. So, you train up to 3 ranks, which gives you a total ''SkillBoost'' of (35+15)/12 = 4.166... and yet you still get just 2% ''SkillBoost'', because 3 ranks will not ever grant more than 2%. In practice, this minimum requirement is only important for the first 5 or 6 ranks, after that you will always meet this requirement.

	''SkillBoost'' is applied as a percentage increase or decrease, depending on if you are buying or selling. For example, a player with 100 ranks of trading and 32 INF bonus has <math>SkillBoost = Trunc[~~\frac{~~200 + 32}{12}] = 232/12 = 19.33333 = 19~~</math>~~. The final skill boost is 1.19 / 0.81, depending on if one is selling (1.19) or buying (0.81).		''SkillBoost'' is applied as a percentage increase or decrease, depending on if you are buying or selling. For example, a player with 100 ranks of trading and 32 INF bonus has {{math\|SkillBoost {{=}} Trunc[(200 + 32)/12] {{=}} 232/12 {{=}} 19.33333 {{=}} 19}}. The final skill boost is 1.19 / 0.81, depending on if one is selling (1.19) or buying (0.81).

	Spells that increase INF (such as [[Assume Aspect (650)]]) will thus also increase your ''SkillBoost''.		Spells that increase INF (such as [[Assume Aspect (650)]]) will thus also increase your ''SkillBoost''.
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	===Selling gems===		===Selling gems===
	<math>RawGemValue * [SkillBoost + RaceBiasFactor]~~</math>~~		{{math\|RawGemValue * [SkillBoost + RaceBiasFactor]}}

	''RaceBiasFactor'' reflects the opinion about your race by the shop owner. For example, a [[dwarf]] in the [[Elven Nations]] has a ''RaceBiasFactor'' of -0.15 (read: 15% penalty), while elves in the same area have a ''RaceBiasFactor'' of +0.05 (read: 5% bonus). So if our player with a 19% ''SkillBoost'' is an elf in the Elven Nations, a gem with a base value of 5000 silvers earns 5000 * [1.19 + 0.05] = 5000 * 1.24 = 6200 silvers.		''RaceBiasFactor'' reflects the opinion about your race by the shop owner. For example, a [[dwarf]] in the [[Elven Nations]] has a ''RaceBiasFactor'' of -0.15 (read: 15% penalty), while elves in the same area have a ''RaceBiasFactor'' of +0.05 (read: 5% bonus). So if our player with a 19% ''SkillBoost'' is an elf in the Elven Nations, a gem with a base value of 5000 silvers earns 5000 * [1.19 + 0.05] = 5000 * 1.24 = 6200 silvers.

	===Buying from the pawnshop===		===Buying from the pawnshop===
	<math>[RawItemValue * 2 * PawnItemClassFactor] * [SkillBoost + RaceBiasFactor]~~</math>~~		{{math\|[RawItemValue * 2 * PawnItemClassFactor] * [SkillBoost + RaceBiasFactor]}}

	''RawItemValue'' depends on the item and can not always be known (well, now you can back it out!). However, for some items it is easy: The raw item value of a gem is simply that which you can easily calculate from selling to the gemshop.		''RawItemValue'' depends on the item and can not always be known (well, now you can back it out!). However, for some items it is easy: The raw item value of a gem is simply that which you can easily calculate from selling to the gemshop.
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	===Selling to the pawnshop===		===Selling to the pawnshop===
	<math>[RawItemValue * PawnItemClassFactor] * [SkillBoost + RaceBiasFactor]~~</math>~~		{{math\|[RawItemValue * PawnItemClassFactor] * [SkillBoost + RaceBiasFactor]}}

	===Buying from other shops===		===Buying from other shops===
	<math>[RawItemValue] - [SkillBoost * 2 * RawItemValue * RaceBiasFactor]~~</math>~~		{{math\|[RawItemValue] - [SkillBoost * 2 * RawItemValue * RaceBiasFactor]}}

	===Buying from merchant shops===		===Buying from merchant shops===
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	===Selling skins===		===Selling skins===
	<math>RawSkinValue * [SkillBoost + RaceBiasFactor]~~</math>~~		{{math\|RawSkinValue * [SkillBoost + RaceBiasFactor]}}

	===Appraising items===		===Appraising items===

VANKRASN39: article format, remove vague time reference

2017-07-20T18:52:22Z

article format, remove vague time reference

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	The '''Trading''' [[skill]] factors into many [[merchant]] systems, adjusting the resulting prices of goods.		The '''Trading''' [[skill]] factors into many [[merchant]] systems, adjusting the resulting prices of goods.

	~~'''NOTE:'''~~ To deter silver farming, there is ~~now~~ a cap to the trading bonus to the first 1 million silvers of non-self-looted treasure. Any loot ~~you~~ personally ~~receive~~ from hunting doesn't count towards this cap. It is extremely difficult to reach this cap and thus applies to very few players.		To deter silver farming, there is a cap on the trading bonus to the first 1 million silvers of non-self-looted treasure. Any loot personally received from hunting doesn't count towards this cap. It is extremely difficult to reach this cap and thus applies to very few players.

	{{skill\|		{{skill\|

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	\| Rogueranks = 2 \|\| Roguecost = 0/3		\| Rogueranks = 2 \|\| Roguecost = 0/3
	\| Sorcererranks = 2 \|\| Sorcerercost = 0/3		\| Sorcererranks = 2 \|\| Sorcerercost = 0/3
	\| Warriorranks = 2 \|\| Warriorcost = 0/4		\| Warriorranks = 2 \|\| Warriorcost = 0/3
	\| Paladinranks = 2 \|\| Paladincost = 0/3		\| Paladinranks = 2 \|\| Paladincost = 0/3
	\| Wizardranks = 2 \|\| Wizardcost = 0/3		\| Wizardranks = 2 \|\| Wizardcost = 0/3