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			==2013 Posts==
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			\| category = Discussions with Simutronics
			\| topic = The Bad, and the Ugly (general complaints)
			\| messagenum = 6521
			\| author = GS4-WYROM
			\| date = 02/09/2013 09:27 AM EST
			\| subject = Re: whatever happened to the items?
			}}Value is tied into a formula when it comes to mechanical items. In some cases, something that someone might find valuable could have a low price, but it's not too common. For example, [[spear]]s have a very low value for some reason. Same with quarterstaves. [[Dagger]]s too while we're at it. Even higher enchanted ones with special properties. [[Full plate]], even just plain mithril full plate, will have a high value.

			Now when we hand make items, we can add value to things, but it should definitely be in the scope of the item's properties. Making a 1x dagger with a long description and a [[Loresinging\|loresong]] might not warrant me to set the value high enough to not be sold for over 35k at the pawn. Remember, the value of the item isn't 35000 silvers when the pawnshop offers you the cap. It's more like 80000 silvers. So value isn't the best gauge.

			The other thing to consider is treasure level also highly determines item value. Sea nymphs aren't going to be generating the same feeder quality items at Ithzir. But we still make items for all levels. So something unique will have a relatively low value on a sea nymph by default.

			And I think we've all been a tad clouded by mechanical items in this thread. Since that's mostly what we're talking about. But fluff also has a pretty big allure too. And fluff items don't really have a value range like mechanical items.

			Automated scripts do toss out items pretty frequently though. We see this more often at EG with digging and games.

			~Wyrom, SGM

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	Reim still has a lot going for it. A to-scale undead hunting area available all the time. Premium users can enjoy it for 2 hours a day. There are achievements, scrip, unique titles, boss battles with extra loot, puzzles, and plenty of extras that come along with the Reim energy and reputation system. The fact that we've had 6 months of uncapped loot gains in the area is being seen as a negative, but there has been a pretty large benefit to those who have been farming it so heavily. The current pressure drop isn't that severe, when you look at places like OTF and Nelemar. Asking to allow us to remove game balance and some of the core mechanics of the game aren't something we'll change though. Fixing a mistake with allowing a mistake isn't good game design.		Reim still has a lot going for it. A to-scale undead hunting area available all the time. Premium users can enjoy it for 2 hours a day. There are achievements, scrip, unique titles, boss battles with extra loot, puzzles, and plenty of extras that come along with the Reim energy and reputation system. The fact that we've had 6 months of uncapped loot gains in the area is being seen as a negative, but there has been a pretty large benefit to those who have been farming it so heavily. The current pressure drop isn't that severe, when you look at places like OTF and Nelemar. Asking to allow us to remove game balance and some of the core mechanics of the game aren't something we'll change though. Fixing a mistake with allowing a mistake isn't good game design.

	Wyrom, PM		Wyrom, PM<section end=Reim />

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			{{saved-post
			\|category=Paid Events: Adventures, Quests, and SimuCoins
			\|topic=The Settlement of Reim
			\|subject=Re: Hunting pressure?
			\|messagenum=[http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Paid%20Events:%20Adventures,%20Quests,%20and%20SimuCoins/The%20Settlement%20of%20Reim/view/714 714]
			\|author=SIMU-WYROM
			\|date= 04/12/2017 03:27 PM EDT
			}}I think there is a misunderstanding here. Everything in this game has hunting pressure. The only reason why Reim didn't have it was because it was on a new realm (Reim's personal realm) and Retser made a new creature profile similar to bandits/Grimswarm. We generally re-skin a lot of our creatures, so this isn't something that comes up often. But the Necropolis, Night at the Academy, Troubled Waters, etc all have hunting pressure. The loot that is being harvested from Reim that is affected by hunting pressure is what we call incidental loot. The true meat and potatoes of Reim was never the incidental loot. Now we certainly understand the area is being farmed heavily from organized groups, but from the design point of the area, this isn't something that was ever intended.

			As for other things that act similar. We have bandits and Grimswarm who both are affected by levels 0 to 100. The difference being they are spread across multiple realms. Warcamps are excluded, since their loot (the supply chest) is done differently. Over 70% of all Reim entries are the daily Premium uses, so Reim has been balanced with that in mind. Hunting pressure also self monitors the situation as well. Loot, for example, resets a lot differently than perceived. There are a lot of factors at play, and it requires a lot of research on the player side. Not just with Reim, but just general game play. We use to have a larger community who participated in this area years ago.

			Reim still has a lot going for it. A to-scale undead hunting area available all the time. Premium users can enjoy it for 2 hours a day. There are achievements, scrip, unique titles, boss battles with extra loot, puzzles, and plenty of extras that come along with the Reim energy and reputation system. The fact that we've had 6 months of uncapped loot gains in the area is being seen as a negative, but there has been a pretty large benefit to those who have been farming it so heavily. The current pressure drop isn't that severe, when you look at places like OTF and Nelemar. Asking to allow us to remove game balance and some of the core mechanics of the game aren't something we'll change though. Fixing a mistake with allowing a mistake isn't good game design.

			Wyrom, PM


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			==2015 Posts==
			{{saved-post
			\|category=Game Design Discussions
			\|topic=Treasure System
			\|subject=Treasure Update!
			\|messagenum=810
			\|author=GS4-COASE
			\|date= 01/23/2015 04:51 PM EST
			}}With the release of several items in our [[SimuCoin]] shop, we want you, the players, to have a chance to earn some of those rewards in game. We are introducing drops of our [[enhancive pause\|Enhancive Pauses]], [[URCHIN (verb)\|Urchin Guide Tokens]], and [[Locker]] Runner Contracts. How can you find these new items? Simple! Just hunt like you normally would for a chance at one of these rewards. Premium subscribers have a daily boost to their chances at finding their first drop each day, but do not fret, if you have a basic account, you will also have the ability to find this loot, should you be lucky enough!

			Coase
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			\| category = Game Design Discussions
			\| topic = Treasure System
			\| messagenum = 1472
			\| author = GS4-WARDEN
			\| date = 5/25/2008 3:08:22 PM
			\| subject = Creature Loot and Experience Changes
			}}It has long been our objective to reward players for being challenged. Special [[GameMaster\|GM]]-made items released through [[creature]] loot, for instance, could only be found if the player searching the creature could learn from the creature. Our [[treasure system]] is also based off of the assumption that underhunted creatures are either relatively hard for their [[level]] or are in remote areas, so their treasure is increased while overhunted creatures (assumed to be easy relative to their peers) see reduced treasure.

			In an effort to provide greater incentives to group hunt and to try greater challenges, several changes have been implemented regarding experience and creature loot.

			* Thanks to GM Strathspey, we have a new-and-improved super-cool loot generator. This expands on the previous generator that would create spiffy weaponry for creatures to use, adding a wide new range of possibilities. Creatures can now be found wielding not only snazzy weaponry, but also [[shield]]s. Their closely guarded goodies can now include [[weapon]]s, shields, [[armor]], armor accessories, and jewelry trinkets. The available attributes have also been greatly expanded, now including multi-bonus [[Enhancive item\|enhancives]], defender items, [[TD]] enhancing items, temp bonus items, [[resistance]] items, and more. With higher treasure ratings, the greater the potential for exceptional items.

			* An improved estimation of relative risk and reward.
			** Uphunting by 5+ levels will increase the treasure rating, resulting in a better chance for special goodies and improving the odds for regular loot. The greater the uphunting, the greater the treasure rating modifier.
			** Underhunting by 10+ levels will result in a reduction in treasure rating (resulting in no chance for special goodies and a reduced chance for other loot).
			** For determination of Uphunting/Underhunting modifiers, all contributing players are factored in. If Bob the 100th level [[Cleric]] Binds hill trolls so Billy the 5th level [[warrior]] can kill them, the treasure rating factors in that Bob is way underhunting. (Way!) Treasure is no longer based just on the searcher's level.
			**++ This last point can be mostly, but not entirely, mitigated if two or more people who can learn from the creature provide the vast majority of the contribution toward the kill.

			* Consideration of the number of contributors. If two or more players contribute to the death of a creature, the treasure rating is increased.

			In addition to these changes, we have made some changes to help those who want to try their hand at grouping up and uphunting undead. The following [[spell]]s/abilities will each enhance the player's resistance: Dauntless, [[Bravery (211)\|Bravery]], [[Heroism (215)\|Heroism]], and [[Symbol of Courage]]. In each case, the spell/ability causes the player to be treated as if he were 3 levels higher for resistance purposes. The benefits from these spells/abilities are cumulative, e.g., having both Bravery and Heroism active would result in the player being treated as if he were 6 levels higher.

			Want to find great treasure and to maximize your chances of finding a special goodie? Find something 10+ levels higher than you that doesn't have a lot of hunting pressure, grab some buddies for the group bonus, and hope to survive!

			Anticipated Questions:

			Q1: If I'm way higher level (Way!) than a creature I need to kill for [[alchemy]] drops, how can I get those drops now?<br>
			A1: Relative level and hunting pressure are not factors in determining if an alchemy drop is found. Feel free to lay waste to those sultry sirens for their hair.

			Q2: What is a "contributor"?<br>
			A2: A contributor is anyone who directly assists in incapacitating, hindering, or killing the creature. This includes [[Bind (214)\|Binding]], Tackling, Cheapshotting, [[Elemental Wave (410)\|E-waving]], and the like. It does not include indirect assistance, such as spelling up your buddy, Guard or Protect, group-boosting warcries, etc.

			Q3: I enjoy taking my capped [[Empath]] out with my low level friends to help them hunt. Will my friends have no chance at special goodies if I help?<br>
			A3: Weapons and shields wielded by creatures are just as likely to be found regardless of your presence. Outside of that, if your help comes in the form of buffing up your friends or healing, you will have no effect on their chances for loot. If, however, you are Binding, Sympathizing, Unbalancing, or similarly assisting them with killing the creatures, then yes, the creature loot will factor in that you are underhunting significantly.

			Warden

			Disclaimer: The management is not responsible for bards going hoarse from too much loresinging.

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			\| category = Game Design Discussions
			\| topic = Treasure System
			\| messagenum = 1912
			\| author = GS4-Warden
			\| date = 6/7/2008 11:18:21 AM
			\| subject = Re: Umm yeah am I the only one?
			}}<em><<Any chance someone who DOES have the required level of authority could confirm either the time interval between Random Charge Drainer Thing checks, or that we're not going to ever see that info?>><br></em>
			<br>
			We will not be revealing the specific time interval.<br>
			<br>
			<em><<Various anecdotal complaints about hunting in area X for Y long and not getting great loot>></em><br>

			Our trackers show that the global release rate of treasure (silvers, gems, boxes, etc.) for the past week is essentially the same as it was for the two weeks prior to the changes. Last week had more loot going out than before, but I consider that to be mostly attributable to the rush of players looking to find the new goodies.<br>

			It is not unexpected that a specific individual might find less loot on a hunt, or even a series of hunts, as luck is a significant factor in determining how much a player finds, especially for boxes. From the anecdotes presented here, though, in many cases I see players assuming that creature X is underhunted when it's not (and it may even be overhunted). Also, uphunting a creature doesn't necessarily mean that you'll get great loot. My observation is that the creatures that players often tend to seek for uphunting are creatures that are easy for their level. These creatures tend to be overhunted, for obvious reasons, which would mean that the overhunted bonus is partly or completely offsetting your uphunting bonus. You may find better results from tracking down remote or hard creatures closer to your level.<br>

			On that last point, another thing to consider is that just because creature X is hunted much less than creature Y doesn't mean that creature X is an underhunted creature. It may well be that creature X's hunting pressure is normal when compared to the entire peer group. For example, around Wehnimer's Landing, ogre warriors are hunted significantly less than arch wights and fire guardians, currently. It's not that ogre warriors are underhunted (they're normal for their group), it's that the arch wights and fire guardians are heavily overhunted. There are several other creatures in that peer group, though, that are underhunted and dropping above average loot.<br>

			Warden

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			\| category = Game Design Discussions
			\| topic = Treasure System
			\| messagenum = 1912
			\| author = GS4-Oscuro
			\| date = 6/7/2008 7:52:20 PM
			\| subject = Re: Umm yeah am I the only one?
			}}<i>>>Question: Do [[Web (118)\|area webs]] count?</i>

			Putting one down doesn't contribute towards a kill, but if something is ensnared in your area web, it counts, yes.

			- GM Oscuro -

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			==2008 Posts==
			{{saved-post\|category=Game Design Discussion\|topic=Treasure System \|messagenum=1470\|subject=Re: Critter Weapons\|author=gs4Zyllah@play.net (Zyllah)\|date=4/12/2008 10:58:29 AM}}[[Weapons]] are not found in [[Box (treasure)\|boxes]] anymore, they are only found on creatures who actually use them. If a creature has an usual weapon it can either be an autogenerated one from the treasure system (things like those sky blue mithril falchions or enhancive drake flamberges you find) or they can be unique items crafted by GM's and fed into the special treasure hopper. (Essentially a "boxfound", but in the hands of the creature instead.)

			Zyllah

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			==1999 Posts==
	{{saved-post\|category=Suggestions & Ideas for Improvement (2)\|topic=Suggestions, Gripes & Whines (4)\|messagenum=10798\|subject=Re: Treasure\|author=GS3-ISSIGRI@play.net (Issigri)\|date=Jan 4, 1999 at 18:13}}Ok, if this isn't the famed new [[treasure system]], it's one hell of a bug.. today, reports of creatures suddenly going on welfare have swept the lands, ages of critters ranging from the ST to [[Massive pyrothag\|pyrothag]]s and [[sand devil\|devils]]. I hunted pyrothags for two hours, and got two [[box]]es, each weighing 11 pounds. Not A SINGLE coin, and one 1k gem.		{{saved-post\|category=Suggestions & Ideas for Improvement (2)\|topic=Suggestions, Gripes & Whines (4)\|messagenum=10798\|subject=Re: Treasure\|author=GS3-ISSIGRI@play.net (Issigri)\|date=Jan 4, 1999 at 18:13}}Ok, if this isn't the famed new [[treasure system]], it's one hell of a bug.. today, reports of creatures suddenly going on welfare have swept the lands, ages of critters ranging from the ST to [[Massive pyrothag\|pyrothag]]s and [[sand devil\|devils]]. I hunted pyrothags for two hours, and got two [[box]]es, each weighing 11 pounds. Not A SINGLE coin, and one 1k gem.

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	3> If a creature has it's own unique way of finding certain treasure on it, then it wouldn't be affected by the new system. If there's a critter for instance that perception helps to find a twingdoodle on it, that's on the creature's script. Even if it calls the normal treasure generation scripts after, one doesn't affect the other.		3> If a creature has it's own unique way of finding certain treasure on it, then it wouldn't be affected by the new system. If there's a critter for instance that perception helps to find a twingdoodle on it, that's on the creature's script. Even if it calls the normal treasure generation scripts after, one doesn't affect the other.

			{{saved-post\|category=Suggestions & Ideas for Improvement (2)\|topic=Suggestions, Gripes & Whines (4)\|subject=Re: Treasure\|messagenum=10810\|author=GS3-ISSIGRI@play.net (Issigri)
	~~{{saved-post\|category=Suggestions & Ideas for Improvement (2)\|topic=Suggestions, Gripes & Whines (4)\|subject=Re: Treasure\|messagenum=10810\|author=GS3-ISSIGRI@play.net (Issigri)~~\|date=Jan 4, 1999 at 19:53}}Another question: What about critters that are fairly difficult for their age. In the old system, the difficulty was compensated by their large amounts of treasure. Now it seems there is no reason to hunt an extremely difficult creature. I'm hoping that the treasure on these types will go back up as less people hunt them, but as of right now, it certainly hasn't. I'm referring to [[arch wight]]s in particular. They used to carry 2-4k in silvers in a box, and many wights had 100-300 silver on them. Now, most I've found was 58 silver on one, and less than 200 in a box. Considering how dangerous their boils and clouds can be, it hardly seems worth the trouble. And one more thing, places like Icemule have little choice in critter variety. If you're a set age, you have two or three things to hunt. Right now, all of them are poor, so do you really want to drive people out of town just because the hunting areas are overcrowded?		\|date=Jan 4, 1999 at 19:53}}Another question: What about critters that are fairly difficult for their age. In the old system, the difficulty was compensated by their large amounts of treasure. Now it seems there is no reason to hunt an extremely difficult creature. I'm hoping that the treasure on these types will go back up as less people hunt them, but as of right now, it certainly hasn't. I'm referring to [[arch wight]]s in particular. They used to carry 2-4k in silvers in a box, and many wights had 100-300 silver on them. Now, most I've found was 58 silver on one, and less than 200 in a box. Considering how dangerous their boils and clouds can be, it hardly seems worth the trouble. And one more thing, places like Icemule have little choice in critter variety. If you're a set age, you have two or three things to hunt. Right now, all of them are poor, so do you really want to drive people out of town just because the hunting areas are overcrowded?

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	Also, one of the questions that came up when this was originally posted was if the same critter in two different towns would be counted differently. The answer is yes. So an overhunted zingbat in one town would be degraded, and an underhunted zingbat in another town will be upgraded.		Also, one of the questions that came up when this was originally posted was if the same critter in two different towns would be counted differently. The answer is yes. So an overhunted zingbat in one town would be degraded, and an underhunted zingbat in another town will be upgraded.
			==2007 Posts==

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	Raise Dead (318) has been removed from randomly generated [[treasure system\|treasure]] ([[scrolls]], magical items, etc.), but it's not prohibited for special releases.		Raise Dead (318) has been removed from randomly generated [[treasure system\|treasure]] ([[scrolls]], magical items, etc.), but it's not prohibited for special releases.

	GameMaster Estild~~<br>~~		GameMaster Estild
	Cleric/Empath Team

	"I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently to reason incorrectly." - Michel de Montaigne

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	}}The following spells have been added to the random treasure generator: [[Mass Interference (217)]], [[Divine Wrath (319)]], [[Empathy (1108)]], [[Wither (1115)]], and [[Cry for Help (1116)]].		}}The following spells have been added to the random treasure generator: [[Mass Interference (217)]], [[Divine Wrath (319)]], [[Empathy (1108)]], [[Wither (1115)]], and [[Cry for Help (1116)]].

	GameMaster Estild~~<br>~~		GameMaster Estild
	[[Cleric]]/[[Empath]] Team

	"I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently to reason incorrectly." - Michel de Montaigne

			==2009 Posts==
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	This is exactly how it works.		This is exactly how it works.

	~~<nowiki>=~~ - GM Oscuro - ~~=</nowiki>~~		- GM Oscuro -

	[[Rogue]] Team<br>
	[[Cleric]]/[[Empath]] Team

			==2014 Posts==
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