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PFLATS: /* Tier Timer */ addendum

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Tier Timer: addendum

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	Two minutes, which refreshes with every attack whether it connects or not.		Two minutes, which refreshes with every attack whether it connects or not.

			{{saved-post
			\| category = Monks
			\| topic = Developer's Corner - Monks
			\| messagenum = 7
			\| author = GS4-FINROS
			\| date = 09/18/2016 11:56 PM EDT
			\| subject = Re: Bug with focused MSTRIKE punches?
			}}

			Your unarmed attack status against a particular foe remains valid for two minutes, refreshed with every attack against that foe whether it connects or not. A preexisting tier-up potential is retained across a miss, or across an involuntary strike (Flurry or Mongoose) that doesn't produce a tier-up strike on its own.

	===Brawling Weapon DF Bonuses and MM Penalties===		===Brawling Weapon DF Bonuses and MM Penalties===

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	\| date = 09/15/2013 12:39 AM EDT		\| date = 09/15/2013 12:39 AM EDT
	\| subject = Re: bane vs weight		\| subject = Re: bane vs weight
		⚫	}}<I>If one were using handwraps that were HCP and holding an undead bane UAC weapon vs living - half weight? vs undead - no weight and full bane? - ROLFARD</I>
	}}
⚫	<I>If one were using handwraps that were HCP and holding an undead bane UAC weapon vs living - half weight? vs undead - no weight and full bane? - ROLFARD</I>

	If you are holding no weapon -- or more specifically, no weapon that is involved in the unarmed attack sequence -- you get full benefit from weighting on the handwraps. If you are holding one or two weapons, you get half the weighting from the handwraps. One held weapon confers half of the nominal weighting bonus, and two held weapons confer a quarter of their weighting bonus, each. Other bane abilities, such as flares or specially scripted behaviors, are activated in proportion to how many total pieces of equipment you are using in the attack.		If you are holding no weapon -- or more specifically, no weapon that is involved in the unarmed attack sequence -- you get full benefit from weighting on the handwraps. If you are holding one or two weapons, you get half the weighting from the handwraps. One held weapon confers half of the nominal weighting bonus, and two held weapons confer a quarter of their weighting bonus, each. Other bane abilities, such as flares or specially scripted behaviors, are activated in proportion to how many total pieces of equipment you are using in the attack.
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	\| date = 09/15/2013 10:44 PM EDT		\| date = 09/15/2013 10:44 PM EDT
	\| subject = Re: bane vs weight		\| subject = Re: bane vs weight
		⚫	}}<I>I have ensorcelled handwraps and a weighted UAC weapon and I am getting half the weighting of the UAC weapon but it has nothing to do with ensorcellment? - ROFARD</I>
	}}
⚫	<I>I have ensorcelled handwraps and a weighted UAC weapon and I am getting half the weighting of the UAC weapon but it has nothing to do with ensorcellment? - ROFARD</I>

	Ensorcellment on a piece of equipment used in an unarmed attack has no effect whatsoever on any other piece of equipment used in that attack.		Ensorcellment on a piece of equipment used in an unarmed attack has no effect whatsoever on any other piece of equipment used in that attack.

			===Weighting===
			{{saved-post
			\| category = Game Design Discussions
			\| topic = Research and Investigation
			\| messagenum = [http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Game%20Design%20Discussions/Research%20and%20Investigation/view/450 450]
			\| author = GS4-FINROS
			\| date = 08/31/2016 09:45 PM EDT
			\| subject = Re: UAC Gloves + Masterful Crit Weighting?
			}}It works in roughly the same way as it does melee combat. Damage weighting adds to the HP damage done in an attack. Crit weighting adds to the crit calculation of the attack. The effect of the latter is more flattened in unarmed combat as compared to melee combat, since there's effectively only five calculable "crit ranks" as opposed to nine, which are mapped onto the crit table based on your current unarmed attack tier. In other words, you reach the point of diminishing returns more quickly than in melee combat. It's still useful though, especially with lower endrolls against high armor groups.

	==See Also==		==See Also==

VANKRASN39: /* Haste Penalty Removal */

2016-08-31T11:50:00Z

Haste Penalty Removal

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	\| date = 08/31/2016 01:41 AM EDT		\| date = 08/31/2016 01:41 AM EDT
	\| subject = Re: Not Sure if Ever. . .		\| subject = Re: Not Sure if Ever. . .
	}}There are no longer any penalties for wearing Haste-like spells in unarmed combat. Nor are there penalties for using quickstrike or Celerity.		}}There are no longer any penalties for wearing Haste-like spells in unarmed combat. Nor are there penalties for using [[quickstrike]] or [[Celerity]].

	I had always considered the previous penalties to be a band-aid solution, at best, to the problems posed by Haste-like spells. The need for those penalties went away when we recently revised the various roundtime-modifying systems.		I had always considered the previous penalties to be a band-aid solution, at best, to the problems posed by Haste-like spells. The need for those penalties went away when we recently revised the various roundtime-modifying systems.

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	Yup. I figure you're probably not engaging enough other players in combat simultaneously that you need help remembering what your combat status against them is.		Yup. I figure you're probably not engaging enough other players in combat simultaneously that you need help remembering what your combat status against them is.

			===Haste Penalty Removal===
			{{saved-post
			\| category = Monks
			\| topic = Monk General Discussion
			\| messagenum = [http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Monks/Monk%20General%20Discussion/view/710 710]
			\| author = GS4-FINROS
			\| date = 08/31/2016 01:41 AM EDT
			\| subject = Re: Not Sure if Ever. . .
			}}There are no longer any penalties for wearing Haste-like spells in unarmed combat. Nor are there penalties for using quickstrike or Celerity.

			I had always considered the previous penalties to be a band-aid solution, at best, to the problems posed by Haste-like spells. The need for those penalties went away when we recently revised the various roundtime-modifying systems.

	==Unarmed Combat Equipment==		==Unarmed Combat Equipment==

VANKRASN39: /* Unarmed Multistrike */ add post

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	Related to this release, the [[ASSESS]] verb has been updated to list your unarmed position against all foes in the area, via ASSESS UNARMED.		Related to this release, the [[ASSESS]] verb has been updated to list your unarmed position against all foes in the area, via ASSESS UNARMED.

			{{saved-post
			\| category = Hunting and Combat
			\| topic = Unarmed Combat
			\| messagenum = 889
			\| author = GS4-FINROS
			\| date = 08/28/2015 02:02 AM EDT
			\| subject = Re: HSN: Unarmed Multistrike
			}}''>Also, I got 7 jabs while in defensive stance in the clip below on a player, with a weapon I get 6 max. Intended?''

			Yes. This is a manifestation of the secondary clause of targeting rule (2): "If this is the first [decent positioning] jab against that particular target during this MSTRIKE invocation, it does not count for the purposes of total allowed strikes." Since you had decent positioning and no tier-up attack pending against XXX, the first jab was "free". (And in an open mstrike, you get a free first jab against each target in turn, if at decent positioning and no tier-up attack pending).

			''>One thing I note is that Assess Unarmed needs to be spelled out in its entirety or you just get the help message...can that be condensed to maybe work on just Assess Unarm... or maybe just make a new verb Position...or battlesense...or something like that to give the information...since Assess already has uses?''

			This is another one of those parsing issues, and requiring the full spelling minimizes the chance of overlap. Anyway, ASSESS seemed like a decent verb to put it into at the time, but I'm open to other suggestions. (I hate making new verbs for minor functionality, but that's a personal quirk rather than any technical limitation, so I'm not opposed to an entirely new verb if someone proposes one that I like and don't think will be needed down the line for something else. I'm afraid that "position" strikes me as something that would potentially be useful in other systems, and I'm not a fan of "battlesense", though).

			''>Also, ASSESS UNARMED only works on NPC/critters.''

			Yup. I figure you're probably not engaging enough other players in combat simultaneously that you need help remembering what your combat status against them is.

	==Unarmed Combat Equipment==		==Unarmed Combat Equipment==

VANKRASN39: /* Unarmed Multistrike */

2015-08-28T12:10:53Z

Unarmed Multistrike

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	However, the specified attack is not necessarily used on each individual strike. Instead, the following rules are used for each strike in sequence; the first one on which the conditions are met determines the type of attack.		However, the specified attack is not necessarily used on each individual strike. Instead, the following rules are used for each strike in sequence; the first one on which the conditions are met determines the type of attack.

	~~1.)~~ If a tier-up strike is pending against the target, use that type of attack.		# If a tier-up strike is pending against the target, use that type of attack.
	~~2.)~~ If the attacker currently has decent ("tier one") positioning against the target, use JAB. If this is the first jab against this particular target during this MSTRIKE invocation, it does not count for the purposes of total allowed strikes.		# If the attacker currently has decent ("tier one") positioning against the target, use JAB. If this is the first jab against this particular target during this MSTRIKE invocation, it does not count for the purposes of total allowed strikes.
	~~3.)~~ If the attacker has good ("tier two") positioning against a target, use the attack type that was specified at the start.		# If the attacker has good ("tier two") positioning against a target, use the attack type that was specified at the start.
	~~4.)~~ If the attacker has excellent ("tier three") positioning against a target, use the attack type that was specified at the start, unless the specified attack type was JAB, in which case choose a random attack from PUNCH, GRAPPLE, and KICK instead.		# If the attacker has excellent ("tier three") positioning against a target, use the attack type that was specified at the start, unless the specified attack type was JAB, in which case choose a random attack from PUNCH, GRAPPLE, and KICK instead.

	Related to this release, the [[ASSESS]] verb has been updated to list your unarmed position against all foes in the area, via ASSESS UNARMED.		Related to this release, the [[ASSESS]] verb has been updated to list your unarmed position against all foes in the area, via ASSESS UNARMED.

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2015-08-28T03:25:38Z

Unarmed Multistrike

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	4.) If the attacker has excellent ("tier three") positioning against a target, use the attack type that was specified at the start, unless the specified attack type was JAB, in which case choose a random attack from PUNCH, GRAPPLE, and KICK instead.		4.) If the attacker has excellent ("tier three") positioning against a target, use the attack type that was specified at the start, unless the specified attack type was JAB, in which case choose a random attack from PUNCH, GRAPPLE, and KICK instead.

	Related to this release, the ASSESS verb has been updated to list your unarmed position against all foes in the area, via ASSESS UNARMED.		Related to this release, the [[ASSESS]] verb has been updated to list your unarmed position against all foes in the area, via ASSESS UNARMED.

	==Unarmed Combat Equipment==		==Unarmed Combat Equipment==

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	==See Also==		==See Also==
	*[[Unarmed combat advice (~~saved posts~~)]]		*[[Unarmed combat advice (log)]]

	[[Category:Unarmed combat]]		[[Category:Unarmed combat]]