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OM1E5GA: /* Why does it cost so much? */

2025-05-24T21:58:27Z

Why does it cost so much?

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	==Why does it cost so much?==		==Why does it cost so much?==

	You mean aside from the insane amount of time just staring at the screen when I could be hunting?

			Well, in order to make your perfect I'll be spending 30+ hours in the forge, mostly just watching the same text scroll repeatedly across the screen. In that same amount of time, I can make nearly as much hunting as I charge for most perfects (possibly more).
	Well, if I'm buying my slabs from the forge it's costing me silvers for every weapon I make.

		⚫	Also, it takes around 100 hours or more just staring at the screen watching text scroll across it to master each forging skill, so that's about 200 hours to be able to make a perfect (100 for crafting and 100 for whatever weapon type). So there aren't many people willing to go through the process of learning to forge even if they script the whole process. If you have the opportunity to buy a perfect for less then a blacksmith quotes you, snatch that sucker up cause you won't get a better deal.
	I can prolly sell a couple of the superior morning stars I make to other players eventually, if I have a shop, but realistically the 99 morning stars I'm making on the way to your perfect are going to the pawn shop. The most the pawn will give me for vultite morning stars I made is 20,000... but the cost of the metal and tempering oils to make them is about 40,000 (depending on trading bonuses, citizenship, etc).

	So I'm losing 20,000 silver per vultite morning star or almost 2 mil just to make that weapon if the averages hold up. THIS along with the time invested is why I want a so much for that weapon I'm selling.

⚫	Also, it takes around 100 hours or more just staring at the screen watching text scroll across it to master each forging skill, so that's about 200 hours to be able to make a perfect (100 for crafting and 100 for whatever weapon type). So, if you have the opportunity to buy a perfect for less then a blacksmith quotes you, snatch that sucker up cause you won't get a better deal.

	==What if you use slabs you got from the slab generator?==		==What if you use slabs you got from the slab generator?==

OM1E5GA at 13:44, 2 January 2024

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	Lances and mauls are exceptions in forging in that they're popular bases that only require one forging cycle (because the glyphs are merchant only). As a result, this is what blacksmiths tend to make when they haven't been asked for something specific and are just making things to sell on the open market... especially if they're working with a metal that has a long forging cycle.		Lances and mauls are exceptions in forging in that they're popular bases that only require one forging cycle (because the glyphs are merchant only). As a result, this is what blacksmiths tend to make when they haven't been asked for something specific and are just making things to sell on the open market... especially if they're working with a metal that has a long forging cycle.

			==Any advice for what metal to use?==

			All forged weapons have the natural properties of the metal they're made from, so you can get a head start on enchanting and/or crit weighting by choosing a metal that naturally has a higher enchant or natural crit weighting. There are also metals that have natural elemental flares (gornar, drakar, rhimar, and zorchar) if you want one of those flares but don't want to attend a pay event or spend [[premium points]] to add them.

			Really though, the two main things to look at when choosing the metal are the "Material Gear Difficulty Modifier" (MGDM for the rest of this answer) and how much you like the aesthetics of the metal. Metals with a higher MGDM will be easier to apply professional services to (enchanting, sanctification, ensorcelling, weighting, etc). So, if you're planning on getting a lot of services added to it, those metals should probably take precedence.

			Notes on some (but not all) metals that can be used in the forge:

			Drakar/rhimar/gornar/zorchar: These metals flare fire/cold/earth/lightning respectively but have the worst MGDM (-50) of any metal weapons can be forged from other than black ora. Not recommended if you're looking get extensive amounts of player services

			Razern: Naturally 2 CER crit weighted, but has a fairly bad -20 MGDM. It is the most aesthetically pleasing in my opinion, however

			Mithril: Has the best MGDM of any metal (+20) that can be forged.... but boring. Recommended for those wishing to get extensive player services and don't care about aesthetics

			Vultite: Starts at +20 and has a better MGDM (0) than the much rarer rolaren (-40). Also, not as boring as mithril

			Faenor: MGDM (+15) just below mithril, but starts at +8 enchant

			Vaalorn: Starting enchant of +18, slightly higher MGDM (+10) than vultite, more impressive than vultite

OM1E5GA: /* Can you customize the appearance? */

2023-04-03T22:26:01Z

Can you customize the appearance?

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	Keep in mind that each town only sells one type of wood, so if you want a type that's not sold in the town the blacksmith is in they're going to have to travel to get it and use 20-50 locker slots storing it while they make your piece... some will do that for free, others will tack on an additional charge. Hilts/etc can also be made with metal instead of wood, but I would definitely expect an up-charge if you want that.		Keep in mind that each town only sells one type of wood, so if you want a type that's not sold in the town the blacksmith is in they're going to have to travel to get it and use 20-50 locker slots storing it while they make your piece... some will do that for free, others will tack on an additional charge. Hilts/etc can also be made with metal instead of wood, but I would definitely expect an up-charge if you want that.

			I have recently acquired an alter box that allows me to use gems or critter skins to decorate weapons, however I haven't had a chance to play with it much so it will very much be an "at the buyer's risk" if you wish me to use that. You'll also have to provide any exotic or expensive gems/pelts if you want those used.
	Any other changes to the look are going to require a merchant, a Sadie scroll, or finding someone with an alter box that works with weapons.


	==Can I dye my forged weapon?==		==Can I dye my forged weapon?==

OM1E5GA: /* How much will it cost? */

2021-09-19T17:16:06Z

How much will it cost?

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	There are too many variables that I consider to put a price menu here, but when determining what I quote someone commissioning me for a project I'm considering the rarity of the metal, length of the forging cycles, number of forging cycles, general popularity of the weapon/metal, and how much I've been offered for that weapon/metal combination in the past (if it applies). Usually, I'll charge a bit less if I'm being commissioned vrs if it's something I'm making on my own to put in my shop since I've got a guaranteed buyer.		There are too many variables that I consider to put a price menu here, but when determining what I quote someone commissioning me for a project I'm considering the rarity of the metal, length of the forging cycles, number of forging cycles, general popularity of the weapon/metal, and how much I've been offered for that weapon/metal combination in the past (if it applies). Usually, I'll charge a bit less if I'm being commissioned vrs if it's something I'm making on my own to put in my shop since I've got a guaranteed buyer.

	That said, expect to pay between 1m and 4m silver depending on the weapon and metal requested.		That said, for most weapons, expect to pay between 1m and 4m silver depending on the weapon and metal requested.


	==Why does it cost so much?==		==Why does it cost so much?==

OM1E5GA at 16:43, 19 September 2021

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	The reason I do it this way is to have access to a wider variety of metals as well as rare metals such as razern, vaalorn, and white ora. It also means that I have lockers in four different towns that are full of nothing other then forging slabs and the longer it's been since the last Duskruin, the fewer options I'll be able to give you for metals.		The reason I do it this way is to have access to a wider variety of metals as well as rare metals such as razern, vaalorn, and white ora. It also means that I have lockers in four different towns that are full of nothing other then forging slabs and the longer it's been since the last Duskruin, the fewer options I'll be able to give you for metals.


			==Can you make my weapon have an alternate noun?==

			Glyphs for both morning stars and spikestars are available, but aside from that there's not any way players to change the nouns for forged weapons. If you want your "perfect maul" to be a "perfect sledgehammer" (for example), you'll need to get a merchant to alter it for you.

OM1E5GA: /* Why does it cost so much? */

2021-02-09T15:15:50Z

Why does it cost so much?

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	So I'm losing 20,000 silver per vultite morning star or almost 2 mil just to make that weapon if the averages hold up. THIS along with the time invested is why I want a so much for that weapon I'm selling.		So I'm losing 20,000 silver per vultite morning star or almost 2 mil just to make that weapon if the averages hold up. THIS along with the time invested is why I want a so much for that weapon I'm selling.

			Also, it takes around 100 hours or more just staring at the screen watching text scroll across it to master each forging skill, so that's about 200 hours to be able to make a perfect (100 for crafting and 100 for whatever weapon type). So, if you have the opportunity to buy a perfect for less then a blacksmith quotes you, snatch that sucker up cause you won't get a better deal.

	==What if you use slabs you got from the slab generator?==		==What if you use slabs you got from the slab generator?==

OM1E5GA: updated to reflect changes to forging times

2021-02-04T21:42:49Z

updated to reflect changes to forging times

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	When combining a best blade with a best hilt, there's another roughly 10% chance that it will result in a perfect weapon, the rest will be superior quality. This means that, on average, 1 in 100 blades a blacksmith starts will become a perfect weapon.		When combining a best blade with a best hilt, there's another roughly 10% chance that it will result in a perfect weapon, the rest will be superior quality. This means that, on average, 1 in 100 blades a blacksmith starts will become a perfect weapon.

			When I work the forge, I wait until I have 12-15 best blades and hilts that are ready to be combined, then combine them all with a Gift of Eonake active to increase my chances of getting a perfect. Depending on how much time I can spend IG and how much luck I have, this can take from several days up to a week. It's rare that I don't have at least one of them come out perfect, but Lady Luck is fickle and there is a rare occasion where this might happen... but generally speaking a week or less is adequate to produce a perfect.
	Note: These numbers aren't exact, but they're close and make the math easier. I'm also not taking into account that it's more difficult to get a "best" piece with enchanted metals here.

			Prior to late 2020, forging RTs were much longer then they currently are (up to 10 minutes per forging cycle!) and I wouldn't take a forging commission unless the person was willing to wait a month.
	Different metals also take different amounts of time "per forging cycle" So, I'll use two extremes for metals to answer the question (steel and vultite) as well as three weapon bases:

	Steel dagger: 2 cycles x 3 minutes per cycle x 100 blades = 600 minutes = 10 hours

	Vultite dagger: 2 cycles x 9 minutes per cycle x 100 blades = 1800 minutes = 30 hours

	Steel handaxe: 4 cycles x 3 minutes per cycle x 100 blades = 1200 minutes = 20 hours

	Vultite handaxe: 4 cycles x 9 minutes per cycle x 100 blades = 3600 minutes = 60 hours

	Steel warsword: 6 cycles x 3 minutes per cycle x 100 blades = 1800 minutes = 30 hours

	Vultite warsword: 6 cycles x 9 minutes per cycle x 100 blades = 5400 minutes = 90 hours

	Remember, these are just average times, the person you're asking could get insanely lucky and complete it in half the that time... or they could get struck with rotten luck and have it take twice as long. I'm also not accounting for the difficulty added by higher enchant metals or the weight of the slabs needed to make a weapon (both of which can increase those times). While weapons can take up to 7 forging cycles, most popular weapons only require 4 or fewer cycles.

	So, after all that... assuming you're asking a GS addict that can and will spend 8 hours a day in the forge, it will take between 2 days to almost 2 weeks to make that weapon you're looking for. However, it's safer to assume that the person you're asking actually has a job and life away from GS (not to mention other things they might want to do when they're IG), so figure on it taking more like a week to a month.


	==How much will it cost?==		==How much will it cost?==

	Different blacksmiths will have different ways of determining the final prices they charge, but in the end there's only so much variance between smiths for popular weapons and metals. If you're looking for a weapon that requires a lot of forging cycles it might be worth shopping around a bit, though.		Different blacksmiths will have different ways of determining the final prices they charge, but in the end there's only so much variance between smiths for popular weapons and metals. If you're looking for a weapon that requires a lot of forging cycles it might be worth shopping around a bit, though.

	There are too many variables that I consider to put a price menu here, but when determining what I quote someone commissioning me for a project I'm considering the rarity of the metal, length of the forging cycles, number of forging cycles, general popularity of the weapon/metal, and how much I've been offered for that weapon/metal combination in the past (if it applies). Usually, I'll charge a bit less if I'm being commissioned vrs if it's something I'm making on my own to put in my shop since I've got a guaranteed buyer.		There are too many variables that I consider to put a price menu here, but when determining what I quote someone commissioning me for a project I'm considering the rarity of the metal, length of the forging cycles, number of forging cycles, general popularity of the weapon/metal, and how much I've been offered for that weapon/metal combination in the past (if it applies). Usually, I'll charge a bit less if I'm being commissioned vrs if it's something I'm making on my own to put in my shop since I've got a guaranteed buyer.

			That said, expect to pay between 1m and 4m silver depending on the weapon and metal requested.
	Some smiths might be willing to haggle with their prices, and I certainly will when it comes to the ones in my shop. When it comes to being commissioned, however, I'm not big on haggling so I give the lowest price I'm willing to produce a particular weapon for from the get-go.


	==Why does it cost so much?==		==Why does it cost so much?==

	You mean aside from the insane amount of time ~~I detailed above~~ just staring at the screen when I could be hunting?		You mean aside from the insane amount of time just staring at the screen when I could be hunting?

	Well, if I'm buying my slabs from the forge it's costing me silvers for every weapon I make.		Well, if I'm buying my slabs from the forge it's costing me silvers for every weapon I make.
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	==What if you use slabs you got from the slab generator?==		==What if you use slabs you got from the slab generator?==

	I can't speak for others, but this is actually what I do. It really doesn't change the above at all though, you're just using Blood Script instead of silvers to purchase the slabs.		I can't speak for others, but this is actually what I do most of the time. It really doesn't change the above at all though, you're just using Blood Script instead of silvers to purchase the slabs.

	The reason I do it this way it to have access to a wider variety of metals as well as rare metals such as razern, vaalorn, and white ora. It also means that I have lockers in four different towns that are full of nothing other then forging slabs and the longer it's been since the last Duskruin, the fewer options I'll be able to give you for metals.		The reason I do it this way is to have access to a wider variety of metals as well as rare metals such as razern, vaalorn, and white ora. It also means that I have lockers in four different towns that are full of nothing other then forging slabs and the longer it's been since the last Duskruin, the fewer options I'll be able to give you for metals.


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	Not a whole lot. The metal used will be in the description as well as the wood I use for the handle/hilt/etc. A blacksmith can remove the hilt from the description or use a different type of wood for the hilt, but you're prolly choosing the metal based on its properties.		Not a whole lot. The metal used will be in the description as well as the wood I use for the handle/hilt/etc. A blacksmith can remove the hilt from the description or use a different type of wood for the hilt, but you're prolly choosing the metal based on its properties.

	Keep in mind that each town only sells one type of wood, so if you want a type that's not sold in the town the blacksmith is in they're going to have to travel to get it and use 20-50 locker slots storing it while they make your piece... some will do that for free, others will tack on an additional charge. Hilts/etc can also be made with metal instead of wood, but I would ~~definately~~ expect an up-charge if you want that.		Keep in mind that each town only sells one type of wood, so if you want a type that's not sold in the town the blacksmith is in they're going to have to travel to get it and use 20-50 locker slots storing it while they make your piece... some will do that for free, others will tack on an additional charge. Hilts/etc can also be made with metal instead of wood, but I would definitely expect an up-charge if you want that.

	Any other changes to the look are going to require a merchant, a Sadie scroll, or finding someone with an alter box that works with weapons.		Any other changes to the look are going to require a merchant, a Sadie scroll, or finding someone with an alter box that works with weapons.
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	==I have this slab of [insert metal here], will you forge it into a [insert weapon here] for me?==		==I have this slab of [insert metal here], will you forge it into a [insert weapon here] for me?==

	Speaking solely for myself, I will gladly do this as long as we can agree on a price for my time and the tempering oils needed. I will forge it into as many weapons of the type you want as I can get out of that slab, do everything in my power to try to get you a perfect out of it, and all weapons produced from that slab are yours to keep.... but I absolutely will not make any sort of ~~guarentee~~ you'll get a perfect out of that slab (see the first question above for why).		Speaking solely for myself, I will gladly do this as long as we can agree on a price for my time and the tempering oils needed. I will forge it into as many weapons of the type you want as I can get out of that slab, do everything in my power to try to get you a perfect out of it, and all weapons produced from that slab are yours to keep.... but I absolutely will not make any sort of guarantee you'll get a perfect out of that slab (see the first question above for why).

OM1E5GA at 09:54, 10 September 2020

2020-09-10T09:54:09Z

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	When people approach me to make weapons for them, I tend to spend a lot of time answering the same questions. So I don't have to type out the answers every time, I created this little FAQ to answer questions from people that will (probably) never forge themselves. Hopefully others find this useful as well.		When people approach me to make weapons for them, I tend to spend a lot of time answering the same questions. So I don't have to type out the answers every time, I created this little FAQ to answer questions from people that will (probably) never forge themselves. Hopefully others find this useful as well.

			Note that I'm mostly creating this for people asking me to forge weapons for them. I'm trying to keep the answers as general as possible so others can make use of it as well if they want to, but there will be some things that are specific to me. I'll try to include indications that this is the case where necessary.


	==How long would it take to make XXXX?==		==How long would it take to make XXXX?==
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	So, after all that... assuming you're asking a GS addict that can and will spend 8 hours a day in the forge, it will take between 2 days to almost 2 weeks to make that weapon you're looking for. However, it's safer to assume that the person you're asking actually has a job and life away from GS (not to mention other things they might want to do when they're IG), so figure on it taking more like a week to a month.		So, after all that... assuming you're asking a GS addict that can and will spend 8 hours a day in the forge, it will take between 2 days to almost 2 weeks to make that weapon you're looking for. However, it's safer to assume that the person you're asking actually has a job and life away from GS (not to mention other things they might want to do when they're IG), so figure on it taking more like a week to a month.


			==How much will it cost?==

			Different blacksmiths will have different ways of determining the final prices they charge, but in the end there's only so much variance between smiths for popular weapons and metals. If you're looking for a weapon that requires a lot of forging cycles it might be worth shopping around a bit, though.

			There are too many variables that I consider to put a price menu here, but when determining what I quote someone commissioning me for a project I'm considering the rarity of the metal, length of the forging cycles, number of forging cycles, general popularity of the weapon/metal, and how much I've been offered for that weapon/metal combination in the past (if it applies). Usually, I'll charge a bit less if I'm being commissioned vrs if it's something I'm making on my own to put in my shop since I've got a guaranteed buyer.

			Some smiths might be willing to haggle with their prices, and I certainly will when it comes to the ones in my shop. When it comes to being commissioned, however, I'm not big on haggling so I give the lowest price I'm willing to produce a particular weapon for from the get-go.


	==Why does it cost so much?==		==Why does it cost so much?==
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	I can prolly sell a couple of the superior morning stars I make to other players eventually, if I have a shop, but realistically the 99 morning stars I'm making on the way to your perfect are going to the pawn shop. The most the pawn will give me for vultite morning stars I made is 20,000... but the cost of the metal and tempering oils to make them is about 40,000 (depending on trading bonuses, citizenship, etc).		I can prolly sell a couple of the superior morning stars I make to other players eventually, if I have a shop, but realistically the 99 morning stars I'm making on the way to your perfect are going to the pawn shop. The most the pawn will give me for vultite morning stars I made is 20,000... but the cost of the metal and tempering oils to make them is about 40,000 (depending on trading bonuses, citizenship, etc).

	So I'm losing 20,000 silver per vultite morning star or almost 2 mil just to make that weapon if the averages hold up. THIS along with the time invested is why I want 4 ~~mil~~ for that ~~vultite~~ weapon I'm selling ~~or 1 mil for that steel weapon~~...		So I'm losing 20,000 silver per vultite morning star or almost 2 mil just to make that weapon if the averages hold up. THIS along with the time invested is why I want a so much for that weapon I'm selling.

OM1E5GA: /* How long would it take to make XXXX? */

2020-09-10T08:59:05Z

How long would it take to make XXXX?

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	Note: These numbers aren't exact, but they're close and make the math easier. I'm also not taking into account that it's more difficult to get a "best" piece with enchanted metals here.		Note: These numbers aren't exact, but they're close and make the math easier. I'm also not taking into account that it's more difficult to get a "best" piece with enchanted metals here.

	Different metals also take different amounts of time "per forging cycle" So, I'll use two extremes for metals to answer the question (steel and vultite) as well as ~~two popular~~ weapon bases:		Different metals also take different amounts of time "per forging cycle" So, I'll use two extremes for metals to answer the question (steel and vultite) as well as three weapon bases:

	Steel dagger: 2 cycles x 3 minutes per cycle x 100 blades = 600 minutes = 10 hours		Steel dagger: 2 cycles x 3 minutes per cycle x 100 blades = 600 minutes = 10 hours
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	Vultite handaxe: 4 cycles x 9 minutes per cycle x 100 blades = 3600 minutes = 60 hours		Vultite handaxe: 4 cycles x 9 minutes per cycle x 100 blades = 3600 minutes = 60 hours

			Steel warsword: 6 cycles x 3 minutes per cycle x 100 blades = 1800 minutes = 30 hours
⚫	Remember, these are just average times, the person you're asking could get insanely lucky and complete it in half the that time... or they could get struck with rotten luck and have it take twice as long. I'm also not accounting for the difficulty added by higher enchant metals or the weight of the slabs needed to make a weapon (both of which can increase those times). 4 ~~cycles~~ is ~~actually~~ in ~~the~~ ~~middle~~ of ~~what can be required~~, ~~but~~ ~~it's not often I get asked about~~ weapons ~~that~~ require ~~more~~ ~~then~~ ~~that~~ ~~(falchion, flamberge, war hammer, etc)~~.

			Vultite warsword: 6 cycles x 9 minutes per cycle x 100 blades = 5400 minutes = 90 hours
⚫	So, after all that... assuming you're asking a GS addict that can and will spend 8 hours a day in the forge, it will take between 2 days to ~~just~~ ~~over~~ ~~a week~~ to make that weapon you're looking for. However, it's safer to assume that the person you're asking actually has a job and life away from GS (not to mention other things they might want to do when they're IG), so figure on it taking more like a week to a month.

		⚫	Remember, these are just average times, the person you're asking could get insanely lucky and complete it in half the that time... or they could get struck with rotten luck and have it take twice as long. I'm also not accounting for the difficulty added by higher enchant metals or the weight of the slabs needed to make a weapon (both of which can increase those times). While weapons can take up to 7 forging cycles, most popular weapons only require 4 or fewer cycles.

		⚫	So, after all that... assuming you're asking a GS addict that can and will spend 8 hours a day in the forge, it will take between 2 days to almost 2 weeks to make that weapon you're looking for. However, it's safer to assume that the person you're asking actually has a job and life away from GS (not to mention other things they might want to do when they're IG), so figure on it taking more like a week to a month.

	==Why does it cost so much?==		==Why does it cost so much?==

OM1E5GA: /* Can I dye my forged weapon? */

2020-08-01T00:42:14Z

Can I dye my forged weapon?

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	==Can I dye my forged weapon?==		==Can I dye my forged weapon?==

	As of ~~this~~ ~~writing,~~ ~~dyes~~ ~~from~~ the ~~dyer's~~ ~~tent~~ do ~~not~~ ~~play~~ ~~well~~ ~~with~~ ~~player~~ ~~forged~~ ~~weapons.~~ ~~Everyone~~ I've ever talked to ~~about~~ ~~this~~ ~~has given very strong warnings~~ '''NOT''' to ~~use these dyes on them, esp perfects~~. I ~~don't~~ ~~know~~ ~~exactly~~ ~~how~~ ~~they~~ ~~mess up~~ forged weapons, ~~but~~ do ~~you~~ ~~really want~~ to risk ~~ruining~~ a 1+ million silver weapon to ~~find~~ ~~out?~~		Dying the blade prior to combining it with the hilt will result in the enchant the metal provides being lost, according to everyone I've ever talked to, so I will '''NOT''' do this. It is supposedly fine to dye finished forged weapons, though I'm not about to risk a 1+ million silver weapon to test it. What one does with their own weapons is up to them, however.


	==I have this slab of [insert metal here], will you forge it into a [insert weapon here] for me?==		==I have this slab of [insert metal here], will you forge it into a [insert weapon here] for me?==