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Welcome to the village pump, where anyone can say anything about whatever, and people can respond! Yeehaw! Remember to sign your comments by putting 4 tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end.
Welcome to the village pump, where anyone can say anything about whatever, and people can respond! Yeehaw! Remember to sign your comments by putting 4 tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end.


== Reorganization ==
== Spell Templates, Round 2 ==
The site wasn't very well organized in terms of consistency in categories. I'm making an effort to get everything into cohesive layers of categories. Open up the [[:Category:River's Rest|River's Rest]] category and there are no longer almost 200 pages there, there are some pages that don't fit in sub categories that will remain in the RR category, but many of the pages have been only categorized under the subcategory, such as the Casler Huntington Storyline, or hunting areas, or Museum, it's still in process, I jump around.


I'm not exactly opposed to all-encompassing categories, but that didn't really exist in the first place, so I figure I'd put things in a sensible location before expanding if people think there is a need. There were also over 500 pages uncategorized and that has been cut to 30, mainly pages that are incomplete/abandoned efforts (not the tones, that I have a lot of additional recent info to add).
I've completed all three ''potential'' [[:Category:Spell Templates|spell templates]] at this time. I've also taken the liberty of including a [[Help:Style (spell templates)|definitions page]] which explains the terms used in the template and the values which can placed in each of those fields. Eventually, each value should have its own defining page (many already do). Examples can be found on [[401]] and [[415]] as with before. I also updated any articles which were already using the templates, so the information displayed wouldn't be interrupted from the change. Some notes and/or discussion topics follow. [[User:ULTHRIPE|<sub>who is</sub>]] '''Ulthripe''' [[User talk:ULTHRIPE|<sup>reads this</sup>]] 07:22, 4 September 2006 (EDT)


I have also reviewed the categories and tried to consolidate very similar ones or ones with one page. I have not touched categories having to do with creatures unless something seemed off (see [[troll wraith]]). I'm also paying special attention to the "Gemstone" group of categories that appear in the left navigation panel. I think these should be especially clean in terms of filtering information into the right subcategories as they are linked from every single page. For example, do we really need every wand listed in the Magic category? I think keeping them off the main Magic category page and in the Common Magical Items subcategory is more comprehensive.
* Again, I'm not married to the whole color scheme thing, but I would like to know if this is any more tolerable than previously.
* Andy and I came up with the idea of turning the field names into links, each with their own descriptive articles. Alternately, they could all link to the help page which outlines them already. I'm still on the fence, personally.
* I strongly feel (and others have agreed) that type-specific spell templates are the way to go. The template encapsulates all of the information about each spell that one would wish to reference quickly. I ask that anyone opposed to this change seriously considers the function of them, and the enhanced reference capabilities they offer.


For the saved posts, does every saved post really need its own page? Isn't it easier in a lot of cases to consolidate them under 1 page (e.g. [[Major Spiritual (saved posts)]]). This obviously doesn't fit for every post, but I like to see the progression of things rather than go digging for the next change. I think grouping and/or linking between the saved posts for one topic is extremely helpful. [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] 17:47, 23 May 2014 (EDT)
I've got it. You're colorblind. Other than that, I think that yes, having the name fields as links would be great (ie 'Availability' and 'Span' would link to articles (or sections of a page) that describes the options there. Other than that, yes, I like these templates a lot. The colors, though? You must be joking. For colors, I'd use: <font color=#CCFF99>Defense Magic CCFF99</font>
<font color=#99CCFF>Utility Magic 99CCFF</font>
<font color=#FF9999>Offensive Magic FF9999</font> or <font color=#CC6666>Offensive Magic CC6666</font>. Though the defensive and utility ones aren't so readable, I'd not use them for the text in the cell anyway, just the border and/or background. Maybe something like this?


== How to Color Text ==
{| align="center" style="margin-left: 20px; margin-bottom: 5px;"
|-
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{|border="2" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #CCFF99; border: 1px #000000 solid; border-collapse: collapse;"
|+ style="white-space: nowrap; font-size: larger; text-align: left;" | '''Spell name (###)'''
|-
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{| style="width: 23em; font-size: 95%; text-align: left;"
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!colspan=2 align=center style="background:#CCFF99"|'''Defense Magic'''
|-
! [[Mnemonic]]
| valign="top" style="white-space: nowrap;" | [{{{mnemonic}}}]
|-
! [[Help:Style (spell templates)#Type|Type]]
| valign="top" style="white-space: nowrap;" | {{{type}}}
|-
! [[Base Duration]]
| valign="top" style="white-space: nowrap;" | {{{base_dur}}}
|-
! [[Additional Duration]]
| valign="top" style="white-space: nowrap;" | {{{add_dur}}}
|-
! [[Span]]
| valign="top" style="white-space: nowrap;" | {{{span}}}
|-
! [[Availability]]
| valign="top" style="white-space: nowrap;" | {{{availability}}}
|-
|}
|}
|} Just my thoughts (ps only made one of the links work, because, you know, i'm lazy. [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 13:28, 4 September 2006 (EDT)


Hey, its been a long time since I've done serious work on Krakiipedia, and I forgot how to color text. I have some text I want to make red, and I thought it would be way too ghetto to just link them to a non-existant page, though if it comes to that, I will totally do that. Any tips? [[User:IRVINETOMOE|IRVINETOMOE]] 12:10, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
: Remove the colors. The descriptive text in the heading is enough. I'd also pick either Offense/Defense/Utility or Offensive/Defensive/Utility for the headings, not the current mix. Looking over the linked Help page, I noticed the provision of using ''Special'' in any field so long as the article provides sufficient explanation. Doesn't this go against your earlier feelings that every option of a spell template should be required? Or is it sufficient that ''something'' is typed into the template, just as long as the field is filled? I've included more comments on each template's talk page. - [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 09:25, 5 September 2006 (EDT)


: <nowiki><span style="color:red"> red </span></nowiki> will make the text in between the span and /span <span style="color:red">red</span>. I generally google any wiki formatting questions I have. Check these pages out for info and color numbering: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_color_formatting_help and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Using_colours. I think all of our wiki geeks who warred over wiki styles are gone, so unless you make an entire page hot pink font on a bright yellow background, use colors as you see fit. [[User:MILQUETOAST|Becca]] 15:13, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
Colors are useful for a number of reasons. Keep them, just make them not make baby jesus (or moses or whoever) cry. As to Oliver picking on U about, the field labels, <nowiki>[[{{PAGENAME}}#Subsection|Special]]</nowiki> is very very very different from N/A for obvious reasons. [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 12:27, 5 September 2006 (EDT) (not a bully)


:: Unfortunately, I'm working a table that has lots of different ways of showing special info already, including bolded text, underlined text, and the little cross symbol as well. I needed one more, and because it was a warning, so to speak, red seemed to make the most sense to me. Thanks for the info! If you have any further suggestions, you can see the table on the [[Minor Summoning (725)]] page. [[User:IRVINETOMOE|IRVINETOMOE]] 15:33, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
== New Profession Template ==
== We Need SysOps ==


So, as far as I can tell, we do not have any active SysOp accounts. The main thing that differs for a SysOp is the ability to move/delete pages and edit the main page. My policy has been to promote the most active contributors to this level when necessary, but I haven't really kept up on who has been doing what on KP in any significant capacity for a while, which is unfortunate. What this means is that I do not have a good idea of who contributes what or who might be interested in or appropriate for this responsibility.
Hey all, I was prerusing WP and found an awesome navigational feature: navigational templates. So I shamelessly stole it, and have made one for Wizard and am currently making one for Professions. The biggest complaint that I (and others I've had) is that KP is really hard to navigate, so this make things a lot more fun and exciting, and yeah, maybe even more user-friendly. Maybe we could even define styles... In any case, here's the wizard template as I've got it now:


So, how about this, you guys nominate yourselves and give a brief reason why. I'll look into the edit history of those nominated and as long as I don't see anything questionable, we should have a few more SysOps around. I'll check back in a week or so, since the new year is upon us.
{| style="margin:0.5em auto; clear:both; text-align:center; width:80%" align=center class="toccolours"
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!style="background:#ccccff"| [[Wizard|Wizard Profession]]<small class="editlink noprint plainlinksneverexpand"> - [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:Template:Wizard|action=edit}} edit]</small>
|-
|'''Spell Circles:''' [[Wizard Base|Wizard Base Spells]] | [[Major Elemental|Major Elemental Spells]] | [[Minor Elemental|Minor Elemental Spells]]
|-
|'''Professional Highlights:''' [[Bolt spell]]s | [[920|Call Familiar]] | [[925|Enchanting]] | [[517|Charge Item]]
|-
|'''Popular Archetypes:''' [[Pure Mage]] | [[War Mage]] | [[Charging Mage]] | [[Enchanter]]
|}


All of this said, I want to take a moment to thank everyone who contributes to Krakiipedia. Without those contributions this place would be an empty shell with a clever name. You guys are the best.
Let's talk about it! [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 13:05, 28 August 2006 (EDT)


(Man, I just reviewed this edit and scrolled down to see a similar message from 2008. That message is almost four years old. Wow. Still, I'm being sincere here, folks. Thank you very much for the work you all do.)
: I think it looks sexy! Also, super-functional. Good work! [[User:ULTHRIPE|<sub>who is</sub>]] '''Ulthripe''' [[User talk:ULTHRIPE|<sup>reads this</sup>]] 19:25, 28 August 2006 (EDT)


[[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 13:07, 30 December 2011 (EST)
== Use of <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> Template ==
:I'd be interested in being a SysOp. For one, it'd be nice to be able to clean-up (aka delete) after myself when I'm, f.ex., testing something. [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 22:53, 4 January 2012 (EST)
::Kage would be a fine sysop, he's one of the most active editors around. --[[User:KANYDA|Drew]] 14:38, 9 January 2012 (EST)
:::Thank you, Drew. - [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 15:46, 16 January 2012 (EST)
::Hey, I'll second that emotion. I know Kage would do an outstanding job. - [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] 22:33, 16 January 2012 (EST)
:::Thank you, Mark - [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 06:13, 17 January 2012 (EST)
:This is a bit old, but I'd be a SysOp if you are still looking for some. [[User:DAID|DAID]] 02:17, 24 November 2012 (EST)


== New Users ==
When using this template, do not replace the entire article's contents with it, but merely add it to the heading of the article. Thanks. - [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 14:40, 22 August 2006 (EDT)


Welcome to the few new users, yay! Apologies for taking forever to activate your accounts. [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 13:07, 30 December 2011 (EST)
== Treasure System ==
:Sure! Let the riff raff in, why don't'cha! I mean...ummm...hi! - [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 01:19, 31 December 2011 (EST)


== User list by number of edits ==
Would anyone object to me putting all the information I've collected over the years on gems and such in here? I'm thinking of listing every gem type in seperate articles, as, there are a ton of them and putting every gem in one article might make it a bit cluttered. I don't mean, though, that I'm going to put say, blue sapphires, pink sapphires, and yellow sapphires in seperate articles, but one article for, say, all sapphires. Granted, there are enough unique gems to where this will make a lot of different pages, no less. Ideas, comments, objections? I've a lot of information on this stuff.
Is there a way to sort the user list by number of edits? It'd be fun to see a list of them. [[User:KANYDA|Drew]] 15:51, 16 September 2011 (EDT)


== KP Skin ==
Additionally, I'm curious if I should add an article on the entire treasure system, detailing on how the value of the items found changes based on how often the area is hunted. This information would include skins, gems, boxes, etc. Granted, I admit that my research on these subjects is limited, and most of it is speculative. -[[User:BELATHUS|Andy]] <sup>[[User talk:BELATHUS|talk]]</sup> 17:36, 9 July 2006 (EDT)


Does anyone actually use the KP skin option? This is something I added sometime close to the beginning of KP's existence, but haven't really had time or inclination to expand on. I've always thought that getting a nice, custom theme designed for KP should be done, but my skills just aren't up to snuff.
: Can't object to the addition of content! I agree each article name should be the basic noun ([[sapphire]], [[diamond]], [[emerald]], etc.) and the page itself should list the variable adjectives (much like the format we decided upon for [[creature]]s) and the values/areas they can be found, and whatever else.


Just curious. [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
: On the [[treasure system]], an article should definately exist. Currently, I've been referring to the [[Treasure Mechanics saved post]], so be sure you <nowiki> == Related Links == </nowiki> it. I would suggest a list of the types of items which can be recovered through the treasure system in such an article ([[Gem]]s, [[Silver]], [[Box]]es, [[Magic item]]s, etc.). [[User:ULTHRIPE|<sub>who is</sub>]] '''Ulthripe''' [[User talk:ULTHRIPE|<sup>reads this</sup>]] 18:28, 9 July 2006 (EDT)


:I've checked it out a couple of times, but...not really. On Wikipedia I do use this option, however: (User interface gadgets) Use a black background with green text on the Monobook skin. Love it. [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 12:52, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
Alright, I added a page on [[sapphire]]s, with a gem template. I came up with two formats for it, which I put on the [[Krakiipedia:Sandbox]], but since I liked the second format better (it looks cleaner to me when you've a huge list of gems, like there are in the Sapphire article), I went ahead and switched them over. Clearly, there were a number of edits to get the format right, as there often are with templates, and I doubt I'm done... the use of the <nowiki><br></nowiki> tag means that there is more space between gems with longer descriptions, which I intend on fixing with a table with a set height at some point, if I can get it to look right. -[[User:BELATHUS|Andy]] <sup>[[User talk:BELATHUS|talk]]</sup> 23:21, 9 July 2006 (EDT)


== New Spell Templates ==
== Front page editing ==
The front page is looking a little stale, especially under the growing pains section. For instance the Ranger article is now pretty fully featured and I think it can safely be removed. In it's place might I suggest [[The Rift]] which is an article that could really benefit from expansion. (Also as an aside while I'm previewing this, it appears the 4 tilde signature is not working) 15:15, 2 September 2009 (EDT) ([[User:KANYDA]] )


: Hmm, let's test... Seemed it just now worked for me, the tilde signature. Maybe one of the SysOps may know more about it than me, though. [[User:DRIZZT-12|Adam]] <sup>[[User talk:DRIZZT-12|talk]]</sup> 17:54, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
Check out articles [[401]] and [[415]]. I've created two new spell templates which I think are necessary because each '''type''' of spell ([[template:offensive spell|attack]]/[[template:defensive spell|defense]]/[[template:utility spell|utility]]) has different basic features, therefore requires a unique template (utility template to come, its gonna be blue). I'm not in love with the colors or anything, I simply thought it important to differentiate each spell type by making it obvious at-a-glance. [[User:IRVINETOMOE|Irvine]] had the interesting idea of color-coding each spell by its circle, which I'm not against, but I would have to find another way of visually differentiating each spell type. Anyways, please do share your opinions, I'd like to hear them (especially Ollie's). [[User:ULTHRIPE|<sub>who is</sub>]] '''Ulthripe''' [[User talk:ULTHRIPE|<sup>reads this</sup>]] 07:37, 30 June 2006 (EDT)


::Maybe I'm just confused, on WP they use four tildes and two dashes and that puts the time and date and your user name. When I try it here four tildes puts just the time and date but no user name, I'll give it another shot.[[User:KANYDA|Drew]] 01:24, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
: I don't see how this is better than the existing spell template. There's nothing about the colors tha makes anything obvious at-a-glance. If anything, it makes it more confusing, requiring visitors who are not familiar with what the colors mean (or even that they mean anything) to take extra effort to figure it out. The text presented in the existing spell template is more than sufficient in providing all the important basic information about a particular spell. Anything else is handled by the spell description. It also seriously disrupts any attempt at cohesive visual style of Krakiipedia (I'm not a fan of the inconsistent table coloration within some other articles, either, and am planning on doing a review and developing a single unifying table design.) Also, in the future, when proposing changes like this, do not make changes the existing articles to illustrate. Use either that article's Talk page, or the Sandbox.
: [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 30 June 2006 (EDT)


:::Seems to work now, hmm. I was on another computer and using NoScript, maybe that was the culprit. 01:25, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
I do, however, like how he lists attack spells as warding spells. And, your last statement goes against the general "Be Bold" policy that we've been holding to, and personally, I disagree with that entirely. -[[User:BELATHUS|Andy]] <sup>[[User talk:BELATHUS|talk]]</sup> 13:01, 30 June 2006 (EDT)


:I switched out [[The Rift]] page for the [[Ranger]] page, and put some links into the current featured article page...more lively? [[User:MILQUETOAST|Becca]] 19:47, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
: If you'll take a look at the [[Help:Style (spells)]] you will note that including the type of attack (be it bolt, warding, or what have you) is already a part of our style specification. I'm not entirely sure what "Be Bold" policy you're refering to. Our style and layout guidelines are not set in stone, but neither do I agree that a change like this has any real positive effect, or that there is any issue with the current spell templates. The existing spell template already clearly states what type of spell is being described. Using a color-based system unnecessarily complicates something that is already presented in simplest terms. Is there some underlying issue that this change would address that I'm not seeing?
: [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 17:16, 30 June 2006 (EDT)


::Very nice. One other request could we get a front page link to https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Legendary_Items somewhere on the front page? It's my favorite section and I know that of several other people, and one I'd like to encourage growth in. [[User:KANYDA|Drew]] 03:09, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
I'm not a huge fan of the specific colors used, but that's just me. I don't mind the fact that there are colors, but again, it's really not that useful. The color coding is more useful for interpreting information at a glance. Say you have a whole list of the 400's, and you want to color-code those with a nice legend beside it, bravo. But here, I'll say that it doesn't really add anything, since you'll likely never see two of those tables on the same page. Then again, I'll say bravo for making the pages, though making the page you made link to .../wiki/401 would be great so it was easier to link to. Smooches,
[[User:ALKALOIDS|ALKALOIDS]] 17:27, 30 June 2006 (EDT)


:::Another good suggestion! I added the link to the [[:Category:Legendary Items|Legendary Items]] category to the In-Universe category link, as well as the [[:Category:Storylines|Storylines]] category link because I'd like to see that fleshed out myself. [[User:MILQUETOAST|Becca]] 17:23, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold_in_updating_pages Be Bold!] That's what I'm referring to. In any case, I believe that U is right in saying that different types of spells should be listed seperately, as not all bits of information are really applicable to all spells. For example, the duration doesn't really apply to most attack spells. Only those with a duration would have a field for being stackable or not. Having a seperate field for being stackable or not reduces the overall length of the duration field, does it not? But then, I don't work on spells, generally, the only exceptiong being [[1625]]... which doesn't really fall under most spell classifications. I don't mind the color coding, myself, and I was particularly annoyed when someone felt the need to remove the colors from my table on the [[herb]] page. Though, I also tend to lean towards more subdued colors. -[[User:BELATHUS|Andy]] <sup>[[User talk:BELATHUS|talk]]</sup> 19:26, 30 June 2006 (EDT)


= [[Gswiki:Village pump/Archives|Archives]] =
:: As I've said many times, this is not Wikipedia. Their policies do not hold sway here. In any case, the policy refers to updating articles on a content level, not reformating their visual style to a point where they go against the established style guidelines for the wiki. This change should have been proposed and discussed before being actively persued. - [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 11:56, 4 August 2006 (EDT)
{{Gswiki:Village pump/Archives}}

The improvement I attempted was to account for each type of spell being fundamentally different in its attributes. As Andy said, ''"not all bits of information are really applicable to all spells."'' For instance, attack spells wont have a "span" and defense spells shouldnt have a "range." I can agree with your policy of keeping things simple as to not confuse the casual reader, but each attribute of the spell (such as whether its [[stackable]]/[[refreshable]]/[[block]] duration) '''needs''' to be on there. To me, an important part of a template is that it requires the user to enter all of the necessary/desired information or makes it obvious when that information is missing. It bothers me that some attack spells have an attack type ([[bolt]]/[[warding]]/[[maneuver]]) listed, while its left out of others. The whole colors thing I'm not married to, and I can even agree it sticks out like a sore thumb. Anyways, thank you all for the comments, prototype 2 coming soon. [[User:ULTHRIPE|<sub>who is</sub>]] '''Ulthripe''' [[User talk:ULTHRIPE|<sup>reads this</sup>]] 06:43, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

: I agree that enforcing the inclusion of all pertinent information is beneficial. but this essentially boils down to a change in KP guidelines, which should not be initiated lightly or without discussion, and certainly should not be applied without either. Arbitrarily creating new templates to replace old ones and rolling that change through articles does no good for KP. It creates inconsistancy between articles and between the style guide and what is in practice. - [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 11:56, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Well, in U's defense, him, Justin, and I did discuss it prior to U adding the templates. I even helped in their creation. I appologize for leaving you out of the loop. -[[User:BELATHUS|Andy]] <sup>[[User talk:BELATHUS|talk]]</sup> 20:59, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

:Also, of course, I'll just throw in that 1) U did nothing more than create the template then offer it up here for discussion 2) this has had a VERY thorough discussion and was most certainly not "initiated lightly or without discussion" and 3) it was me who got sick of waiting for U to "finish" it and decided that, since I wanted to make pages for some more defensive spells, and that while not perfect, the new template was agreed upon my several of the most contributing editors here as being superior, I would go ahead and go through systematically (though sadly not all at once) and apply it to the defensive spells, and maybe others soon. That is a retardedly long sentence and my head is spinning now, so I'm sure I screwed up at least a thing or two in there grammar-wise. I guess this - to me at least - looks like a case of something being user-initiated, user-discussed and agreed-upon, and user-implemented without your express consent. Imagine. [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 21:46, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

= [[Krakiipedia:Village pump/Archives|Archives]] =
{{Krakiipedia:Village pump/Archives}}

Latest revision as of 15:44, 3 January 2015

Welcome to the village pump, where anyone can say anything about whatever, and people can respond! Yeehaw! Remember to sign your comments by putting 4 tildes (~~~~) at the end.

Reorganization

The site wasn't very well organized in terms of consistency in categories. I'm making an effort to get everything into cohesive layers of categories. Open up the River's Rest category and there are no longer almost 200 pages there, there are some pages that don't fit in sub categories that will remain in the RR category, but many of the pages have been only categorized under the subcategory, such as the Casler Huntington Storyline, or hunting areas, or Museum, it's still in process, I jump around.

I'm not exactly opposed to all-encompassing categories, but that didn't really exist in the first place, so I figure I'd put things in a sensible location before expanding if people think there is a need. There were also over 500 pages uncategorized and that has been cut to 30, mainly pages that are incomplete/abandoned efforts (not the tones, that I have a lot of additional recent info to add).

I have also reviewed the categories and tried to consolidate very similar ones or ones with one page. I have not touched categories having to do with creatures unless something seemed off (see troll wraith). I'm also paying special attention to the "Gemstone" group of categories that appear in the left navigation panel. I think these should be especially clean in terms of filtering information into the right subcategories as they are linked from every single page. For example, do we really need every wand listed in the Magic category? I think keeping them off the main Magic category page and in the Common Magical Items subcategory is more comprehensive.

For the saved posts, does every saved post really need its own page? Isn't it easier in a lot of cases to consolidate them under 1 page (e.g. Major Spiritual (saved posts)). This obviously doesn't fit for every post, but I like to see the progression of things rather than go digging for the next change. I think grouping and/or linking between the saved posts for one topic is extremely helpful. VANKRASN39 17:47, 23 May 2014 (EDT)

How to Color Text

Hey, its been a long time since I've done serious work on Krakiipedia, and I forgot how to color text. I have some text I want to make red, and I thought it would be way too ghetto to just link them to a non-existant page, though if it comes to that, I will totally do that. Any tips? IRVINETOMOE 12:10, 6 September 2012 (EDT)

<span style="color:red"> red </span> will make the text in between the span and /span red. I generally google any wiki formatting questions I have. Check these pages out for info and color numbering: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_color_formatting_help and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Using_colours. I think all of our wiki geeks who warred over wiki styles are gone, so unless you make an entire page hot pink font on a bright yellow background, use colors as you see fit. Becca 15:13, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
Unfortunately, I'm working a table that has lots of different ways of showing special info already, including bolded text, underlined text, and the little cross symbol as well. I needed one more, and because it was a warning, so to speak, red seemed to make the most sense to me. Thanks for the info! If you have any further suggestions, you can see the table on the Minor Summoning (725) page. IRVINETOMOE 15:33, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

We Need SysOps

So, as far as I can tell, we do not have any active SysOp accounts. The main thing that differs for a SysOp is the ability to move/delete pages and edit the main page. My policy has been to promote the most active contributors to this level when necessary, but I haven't really kept up on who has been doing what on KP in any significant capacity for a while, which is unfortunate. What this means is that I do not have a good idea of who contributes what or who might be interested in or appropriate for this responsibility.

So, how about this, you guys nominate yourselves and give a brief reason why. I'll look into the edit history of those nominated and as long as I don't see anything questionable, we should have a few more SysOps around. I'll check back in a week or so, since the new year is upon us.

All of this said, I want to take a moment to thank everyone who contributes to Krakiipedia. Without those contributions this place would be an empty shell with a clever name. You guys are the best.

(Man, I just reviewed this edit and scrolled down to see a similar message from 2008. That message is almost four years old. Wow. Still, I'm being sincere here, folks. Thank you very much for the work you all do.)

Oliver Talk 13:07, 30 December 2011 (EST)

I'd be interested in being a SysOp. For one, it'd be nice to be able to clean-up (aka delete) after myself when I'm, f.ex., testing something. KAGE 22:53, 4 January 2012 (EST)
Kage would be a fine sysop, he's one of the most active editors around. --Drew 14:38, 9 January 2012 (EST)
Thank you, Drew. - KAGE 15:46, 16 January 2012 (EST)
Hey, I'll second that emotion. I know Kage would do an outstanding job. - Mark 22:33, 16 January 2012 (EST)
Thank you, Mark - KAGE 06:13, 17 January 2012 (EST)
This is a bit old, but I'd be a SysOp if you are still looking for some. DAID 02:17, 24 November 2012 (EST)

New Users

Welcome to the few new users, yay! Apologies for taking forever to activate your accounts. Oliver Talk 13:07, 30 December 2011 (EST)

Sure! Let the riff raff in, why don't'cha! I mean...ummm...hi! - KAGE 01:19, 31 December 2011 (EST)

User list by number of edits

Is there a way to sort the user list by number of edits? It'd be fun to see a list of them. Drew 15:51, 16 September 2011 (EDT)

KP Skin

Does anyone actually use the KP skin option? This is something I added sometime close to the beginning of KP's existence, but haven't really had time or inclination to expand on. I've always thought that getting a nice, custom theme designed for KP should be done, but my skills just aren't up to snuff.

Just curious. Oliver Talk 12:07, 30 March 2010 (EDT)

I've checked it out a couple of times, but...not really. On Wikipedia I do use this option, however: (User interface gadgets) Use a black background with green text on the Monobook skin. Love it. KAGE 12:52, 30 March 2010 (EDT)

Front page editing

The front page is looking a little stale, especially under the growing pains section. For instance the Ranger article is now pretty fully featured and I think it can safely be removed. In it's place might I suggest The Rift which is an article that could really benefit from expansion. (Also as an aside while I'm previewing this, it appears the 4 tilde signature is not working) 15:15, 2 September 2009 (EDT) (User:KANYDA )

Hmm, let's test... Seemed it just now worked for me, the tilde signature. Maybe one of the SysOps may know more about it than me, though. Adam talk 17:54, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
Maybe I'm just confused, on WP they use four tildes and two dashes and that puts the time and date and your user name. When I try it here four tildes puts just the time and date but no user name, I'll give it another shot.Drew 01:24, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
Seems to work now, hmm. I was on another computer and using NoScript, maybe that was the culprit. 01:25, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
I switched out The Rift page for the Ranger page, and put some links into the current featured article page...more lively? Becca 19:47, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
Very nice. One other request could we get a front page link to https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Legendary_Items somewhere on the front page? It's my favorite section and I know that of several other people, and one I'd like to encourage growth in. Drew 03:09, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
Another good suggestion! I added the link to the Legendary Items category to the In-Universe category link, as well as the Storylines category link because I'd like to see that fleshed out myself. Becca 17:23, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

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