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Welcome to the village pump, where anyone can say anything about whatever, and people can respond! Yeehaw! Remember to sign your comments by putting 4 tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end.
Welcome to the village pump, where anyone can say anything about whatever, and people can respond! Yeehaw! Remember to sign your comments by putting 4 tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end.


== Custom Skin ==
== Reorganization ==
The site wasn't very well organized in terms of consistency in categories. I'm making an effort to get everything into cohesive layers of categories. Open up the [[:Category:River's Rest|River's Rest]] category and there are no longer almost 200 pages there, there are some pages that don't fit in sub categories that will remain in the RR category, but many of the pages have been only categorized under the subcategory, such as the Casler Huntington Storyline, or hunting areas, or Museum, it's still in process, I jump around.
Just noticed today that the custom skin doesn't render even close to right in IE6. Yes, the cursed IE. FF's memory leaks have been driving me nuts, so I brought up IE for a quick info check here and noticed the rendering issues. Haven't tried IE7, which is installing now and I'll check later (boo reboot). [[User:WELCHA|WELCHA]] 13:56, 5 November 2006 (EST)


I'm not exactly opposed to all-encompassing categories, but that didn't really exist in the first place, so I figure I'd put things in a sensible location before expanding if people think there is a need. There were also over 500 pages uncategorized and that has been cut to 30, mainly pages that are incomplete/abandoned efforts (not the tones, that I have a lot of additional recent info to add).
== New KP Policy ==


I have also reviewed the categories and tried to consolidate very similar ones or ones with one page. I have not touched categories having to do with creatures unless something seemed off (see [[troll wraith]]). I'm also paying special attention to the "Gemstone" group of categories that appear in the left navigation panel. I think these should be especially clean in terms of filtering information into the right subcategories as they are linked from every single page. For example, do we really need every wand listed in the Magic category? I think keeping them off the main Magic category page and in the Common Magical Items subcategory is more comprehensive.
I'd like to direct everyone over to [[Help:Style]] to read over the new NPOV and IUHPOV policy added to KP's style guide.
[[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 14:25, 4 October 2006 (EDT)


For the saved posts, does every saved post really need its own page? Isn't it easier in a lot of cases to consolidate them under 1 page (e.g. [[Major Spiritual (saved posts)]]). This obviously doesn't fit for every post, but I like to see the progression of things rather than go digging for the next change. I think grouping and/or linking between the saved posts for one topic is extremely helpful. [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] 17:47, 23 May 2014 (EDT)
Would it be appropriate to create templates for flagging articles which need to be brought in line with particular policies? Here's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_maintenance_templates Wikipedia's equivalent templates] for examples. [[User:ULTHRIPE|<sub>who is</sub>]] '''Ulthripe''' [[User talk:ULTHRIPE|<sup>reads this</sup>]] 22:10, 1 November 2006 (EST)
:I think a template would be fine. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 08:20, 2 November 2006 (EST)


== Copied articles ==
== How to Color Text ==
It seems a user from another GS-related Wiki, http://www.gs4.org/, has started copying articles directly from Krakiipedia. I just wanted to make everyone aware. -[[User:BELATHUS|Andy]] <sup>[[User talk:BELATHUS|talk]]</sup> 13:19, 27 September 2006 (EDT)
::Not to mention, copying information directly from Simu's website as well (without citation). A strict no no in any Wiki world. I'd suppose a letter/email from Simu would probably scare them into stopping that. Not sure what can be done about them lifting our own stuff. Could Oliver, as owner of the site, and technically, owner of the intellectual property send 'em a letter? I don't believe I've seen any statement on KP that claims that all work is placed in the public domain. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 10:40, 28 September 2006 (EDT)
:::It appears that SUGARBOY234554 is the primary culprit. He gripes about KP, then goes and lifts everything from here. Thatta boy. Evidence: Here's his [[User:SUGARBOY234554|KP user info]] and here's his [http://www.gs4.org/modules/mediawiki/index.php/User:Xo.Mijunkin GS4 Player info]. Sadly, he ripped himself off, as well. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 10:52, 28 September 2006 (EDT)
:I finally managed to wrangle a conversation with GS4.org's owner, Electrawn. He was more concerned about any possible copyright problems, than about the mass copying of KP articles. Basically, he's not going to do anything and seems not to have any problem with what occurred. All I can add is that lets keep on adding great content to KP and if GS4.org wants to be a mirror, but with less updated and expanded content, let 'em. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 18:28, 2 October 2006 (EDT)


Hey, its been a long time since I've done serious work on Krakiipedia, and I forgot how to color text. I have some text I want to make red, and I thought it would be way too ghetto to just link them to a non-existant page, though if it comes to that, I will totally do that. Any tips? [[User:IRVINETOMOE|IRVINETOMOE]] 12:10, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
Seems like a fair enough solution, so long as our friend gives credit where credit is due. I've yet to hear anything from the one responsable for copying the articles, so his compliance would be... difficult to obtain if he doesn't understand. -[[User:BELATHUS|Andy]] <sup>[[User talk:BELATHUS|talk]]</sup> 02:49, 3 October 2006 (EDT)


: <nowiki><span style="color:red"> red </span></nowiki> will make the text in between the span and /span <span style="color:red">red</span>. I generally google any wiki formatting questions I have. Check these pages out for info and color numbering: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_color_formatting_help and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Using_colours. I think all of our wiki geeks who warred over wiki styles are gone, so unless you make an entire page hot pink font on a bright yellow background, use colors as you see fit. [[User:MILQUETOAST|Becca]] 15:13, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
==Race templates==
===Elves===
The fun continues! Here's a quick change of the human template to an elven template. If no complaints, I, or someone, can go smack on the elven house pages. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 22:21, 6 September 2006 (EDT)
I went and added the cities and town's section to the template. The templates can really act as a springboard for all things elvish (or any race, with regard to their template). If this is like, I can add a cities and town's section to the human template. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 22:30, 6 September 2006 (EDT)
{{Elves}}
===Dwarves===
And the Dwarves come marching in. I've done the same treatment for the dwarves...apparently, there are no dwarf fans on the KP. Erm. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 23:56, 6 September 2006 (EDT)
{{Dwarves}}
===HK's===
Quick and easy. I know of one other HK town, from the Sankir quest, where folks visited for the night before heading off the next morning. Problem. I can't remember its name. I'll have to dig around for it. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 00:27, 7 September 2006 (EDT)
{{Half-Krolvins}}


:: Unfortunately, I'm working a table that has lots of different ways of showing special info already, including bolded text, underlined text, and the little cross symbol as well. I needed one more, and because it was a warning, so to speak, red seemed to make the most sense to me. Thanks for the info! If you have any further suggestions, you can see the table on the [[Minor Summoning (725)]] page. [[User:IRVINETOMOE|IRVINETOMOE]] 15:33, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
Alright, [[User:ULTHRIPE|U]] and I were doing some brainstorming just now and some rabid editing, trying to make these just right because still, it just doesn't seem... Perfect... So I went through and added the little info bit on the template page with links to stuff. Then, I was rearranging stuff and all that and really, found a big problem with the human template, and that is that the links that SHOULD be to cultures are actually to locations, and that is all bizaare. This seems to be a human-specific problem, as the others don't seem so bad... But maybe a solution would be to have <nowiki>[[Duchy of Aldora#Aldorans|Aldora]]</nowiki> in there to link to sections that discuss just the culture/people, or just separate pages... But the links from the "Cultures" section should definitely go to a description of the people. I've had a few beers so maybe that doesn't make as much sense as it could, but... Yeah. Oh, also, just noticed that this page is in a bunch of categories now, from having the template pages on it, so that shouldn't be. [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 03:03, 7 September 2006 (EDT)
== We Need SysOps ==
::It wasn't a mistake, but by design. It just doesn't make sense to have dual articles for whats basically the same topic. I.E., we shouldn't have [[Torre]] and [[Torre (culture)]]. The human cultures are in essence, just locations where humans are from. Simu set up their documentation in the exact same manner. The perfect article on a human culture should have everything about that culture, geography, economy, traditions and history. The only time this should be different, is if the history of the province is long enough to warrant its own article. If asked to define "Torre culture" there is no information that tells you how a Torren is supposed to think, act, or behave. This all must be disseminated from the total information about the province and humans in general. I strongly recommend rolling back most, if not all the changes incorporated. As for the the Village Pump page being in cats, none of the racial templates should have had any code for category inclusion. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 08:14, 7 September 2006 (EDT)


So, as far as I can tell, we do not have any active SysOp accounts. The main thing that differs for a SysOp is the ability to move/delete pages and edit the main page. My policy has been to promote the most active contributors to this level when necessary, but I haven't really kept up on who has been doing what on KP in any significant capacity for a while, which is unfortunate. What this means is that I do not have a good idea of who contributes what or who might be interested in or appropriate for this responsibility.
Hmmmm, sorry about any confusion or misunderstanding or whatever, but here I'll try to catalog my changes and rationalize them. If you don't like, them, feel free to change anything back. You're right about the humans/cultures thing and I understand where you are coming from on it, and definitely had that view for awhile as I was poking through the play.net humans docs and even (gag) going through the first stages of rolling up a human ;). However, to my mind, the problem is that when we make a general race template, it should be designed well enough such that it is applicable to all the races; the categories should work just as well for Humans as Elves. So when you look at elves, it works out beautifully. There is the category for each house, and a category for each of the cities associated with those houses, plus a couple. So I'd expect that the Humans page would have a list of cultures (similar to the elven houses) and then a list of cities/towns (which is probably similar to the list of cultures, which seems horribly redundant). So now what? We have something where our template won't be consistent, and that's what is really bothering me. I don't know, but it just doesn't seem quite right with respect to the humans yet, though I don't know what else to do. Feel free to change anything about it or try to explain your vision a bit more.
Here are a list of changes I'd made and why, you can roll most of them back if you'd like:
* Added text pointing to the nav template page and links and such to each template (something that should be on ever nav template page - don't take this away)
* Changed the titles from, say, "Elven Cultures" to "Elf" since the box is descrbing both elven cultures and elven cities. The previous title no longer seemed appropriate.
* Added a couple of the cities that are generally associated with humans to the human template.
* Shortened the descriptions of the human cultures from "Barony of Highmount" to "Highmount". This was done mostly for brevity, and if you are describing someone "from Highmount" you will rarely describe them as "from the Barony of Highmount". This is also more consistent with what text is displayed in game. (You see Joe Schmoe, a Human from Highmount").
* Alphebetized the human cultures (including putting Tehir in the appropriate place. Though yes they are not part of the empire, the template really isn't "The Tumuzuuzzian Empire and Tehir", it's "Humans".
Like I said before, I really don't know what to do about the human page to make it consintent with the others. I think that these of course are useful and worth us figuring out and getting right, but it needs to be understood that these templates are only as strong as their generalizability. They need to be brief, useful, and non-redundant, which yes, I still can't figure out how to rationalize with humanity, which if you think about it, <b>should</b> look a lot more like the dwarf template. The problem is that there really are just too many human cultures and cities... Anyway, yeah, that's why I did what I did. Rest assured that it's not me just running around being an ass and putting my stamp on everything or whatever, this really does cause me way more mental anguish and all that trying to figure out how to make it just right. Roll back at your leisure. [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 11:06, 7 September 2006 (EDT) PS, punch me in the face RE the categories thing. That's the list of templates used, so I was being just totally dumb.
:Let me begin by saying, I agreed with the change in title and the addition of the text to the template pages. The human culture lover in me prefers the more lengthy titles, but somethings do need to be shorter. Thats why its peer reviewed, after all, let others with a more objective view make the changes! I see only one thing I will definitely change, which is restore North and South Hendor to their own seperate identities. While both have a shared history, that shared history technically ended about 370 years ago! So no one Hendor to rule them all. As for over all size, these templates can and should serve as sort of the one stop looking point for all things related to the specified race. So I believe the human cities should be added (there's a lot of 'em, but thats what the template is for, after all!) I understand the frustration with the Elf and Dwarf compared to humans, but unfortunately, humans evolved beyond organizing themselves along family or clan units. ;) [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 23:01, 7 September 2006 (EDT)
Actually, that is ''not'' what the navigational templates are for. They are intended as quick, accessible navigation between related articles. The "one stop looking point" you're referring to would be the category. At this time, the only difference between these templates and their related categories is the fact they incorporate both cultures as well as locations. Unfortunately, that is hardly enough to merit their inclusion into every associated page, which will already have a link to it's category. For these templates to be remotely useful, they would need to possess a wider variety of seperately categorized articles, such as links to historical articles in addition to cultures and locations. For instance, if one were to compose the contents of the [[Dark elf#Related Articles|related articles section of the Dark elf page]] into a template, ''that'' might be worthy. In their current iteration I feel all of the race templates should receive the <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> template so that Oliver can come in and clean up this unnecessary mess. [[User:ULTHRIPE|<sub>who is</sub>]] '''Ulthripe''' [[User talk:ULTHRIPE|<sup>reads this</sup>]] 00:03, 8 September 2006 (EDT)


So, how about this, you guys nominate yourselves and give a brief reason why. I'll look into the edit history of those nominated and as long as I don't see anything questionable, we should have a few more SysOps around. I'll check back in a week or so, since the new year is upon us.
==Human template==
I bravely borrowed the wizard template and altered it for the human cultures with the below result. Unless anyone can think of improvements or suggestions, I'll place it on each culture page later tonight. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 18:29, 6 September 2006 (EDT)


All of this said, I want to take a moment to thank everyone who contributes to Krakiipedia. Without those contributions this place would be an empty shell with a clever name. You guys are the best.
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!style="background:#ccccff"| [[Turamzzyrian Empire]] and [[Tehir]]<small class="editlink noprint plainlinksneverexpand"> - [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:Template:Wizard|action=edit}} edit]</small>
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| [[Aldora|Duchy of Aldora]] | [[Allace|County of Allace]] | [[Bourth|Barony of Bourth]] | [[Chastonia|Earldom of Chastonia]] | [[Dragach|Barony of Dragach]] | [[Estoria|Earldom of Estoria]] | [[North Hendor|Earldom of North Hendor]] | [[South Hendor|Earldom of South Hendor]] | [[Highmount|Barony of Highmount]] | [[Honneland|Earldom of Honneland]] | [[Jantalar|Barony of Jantalar]] | [[Mestanir|Barony of Mestanir]] | [[Oire|Barony of Oire]] | [[Riverwood|Barony of Riverwood]] | [[Seareach|County of Seareach]] | [[Selanthia|Duchy of Selanthia]] | [[Talador|Barony of Talador]] | [[Torre|County of Torre]] | [[Trauntor|County of Trauntor]] | [[Vornavis|Barony of Vornavis]]
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(Man, I just reviewed this edit and scrolled down to see a similar message from 2008. That message is almost four years old. Wow. Still, I'm being sincere here, folks. Thank you very much for the work you all do.)
: I admire your bravery, but the poor Tehir look lonely. -[[User:BELATHUS|Andy]] <sup>[[User talk:BELATHUS|talk]]</sup> 19:35, 6 September 2006 (EDT)


[[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 13:07, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::I'd just ask that you use different colors, since that one I'd bookmarked in my head for the profession templates, but otherwise, cool. <3 templates. [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 19:44, 6 September 2006 (EDT) PS, use subtle-ish colors (ie, stay away from any color Ulthripe has ever thought about using)
:I'd be interested in being a SysOp. For one, it'd be nice to be able to clean-up (aka delete) after myself when I'm, f.ex., testing something. [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 22:53, 4 January 2012 (EST)
:::How's this? Note, the Tehir are no longer the anti-social dusty people. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 20:42, 6 September 2006 (EDT)
::Kage would be a fine sysop, he's one of the most active editors around. --[[User:KANYDA|Drew]] 14:38, 9 January 2012 (EST)
{{Humans}}
:::Thank you, Drew. - [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 15:46, 16 January 2012 (EST)
::Hey, I'll second that emotion. I know Kage would do an outstanding job. - [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] 22:33, 16 January 2012 (EST)
:::Thank you, Mark - [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 06:13, 17 January 2012 (EST)
:This is a bit old, but I'd be a SysOp if you are still looking for some. [[User:DAID|DAID]] 02:17, 24 November 2012 (EST)


== New Users ==
Now that I think of it, I think it'd be more good to have one of those for each race, so that that would be the Human template. And then there would be an Elven, Dark Elven, Sylvankind, etc... So maybe just call it Human? Wait, are those all the human cultures? I don't really know =P, and don't want to go look, but I think they are. But yeah, it should generally be adaptable to all the races, which I think is generally a good idea. Good work. [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 20:45, 6 September 2006 (EDT) (Color is better, but I'd change the background to a really really light yellow instead of the really really light blue that it is)
:I take that back, I kind of like the yellow on light blue. Dunno, pick something you love and run with it. [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 20:49, 6 September 2006 (EDT)
::Works for me! Unless someone beats me to it, I'll work next on the different races. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 20:56, 6 September 2006 (EDT)


Welcome to the few new users, yay! Apologies for taking forever to activate your accounts. [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 13:07, 30 December 2011 (EST)
== Completely agree ==
:Sure! Let the riff raff in, why don't'cha! I mean...ummm...hi! - [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 01:19, 31 December 2011 (EST)
[[:Category:Creatures_by_Level|100 creature categories]] is absolutely brilliant. -- [[User:EDWARDRIMKUS|April]]
:Actually, April, I think that's a terrible idea. Why oh why would I ever want to look up, say Level 43 critters? I think that if I wanted to browse creatures on KP I'd want a level range. So, I'd want, say, [[:Category:Level 40-45 Creatures|level 40-45 creatures]]. I think that makes a lot more sense. Maybe one of our godlike admins could start making categories for the creatures in level ranges. Then we'd only have 20. Honestly, you're usually pretty good, but having 100 creature levels seems a bit much to me. [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 16:30, 6 September 2006 (EDT)
::I don't know what you've been smoking, but whatever it is, I need it. 100+ level categories is not nearly discrete enough - for example, I would love to have a [[:Category:List of creatures that begin with the letter A]], [[:Creatures with four or more legs and arms]], and [[:Category:Creatures that carry boxes with a lock difficulty somewhere in the area of 215]]. Those are everyday resources that are useful for everyone. -- [[User:EDWARDRIMKUS|April]] 16:44, 6 September 2006 (EDT)


== User list by number of edits ==
::You're starting to get a glimpse of my vision. When we're done, there will probably even be such pages as [[:Category:Creatures That Gen Once Every 90 Seconds and Have an AS of 220 and Swing Claidhmores]]. It'll be hot. [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 16:47, 6 September 2006 (EDT)
Is there a way to sort the user list by number of edits? It'd be fun to see a list of them. [[User:KANYDA|Drew]] 15:51, 16 September 2011 (EDT)


== KP Skin ==
::I just hope that one day [[User:Anshou|Ollie]] will be able to make our dreams come true. -- [[User:EDWARDRIMKUS|April]] 16:51, 6 September 2006 (EDT)


Does anyone actually use the KP skin option? This is something I added sometime close to the beginning of KP's existence, but haven't really had time or inclination to expand on. I've always thought that getting a nice, custom theme designed for KP should be done, but my skills just aren't up to snuff.
:::I'm glad you agree. I'm also glad that the plans I have for ranged creature categories meet and even exceed your expectations. I do hope you won't mind when I remove all the level ranges you you painstakingly added to the templates, which are entirely unnecessary for my plans. But thanks for trying to help anyway. - [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 16:38, 6 September 2006 (EDT)
::::Since I'm the one who started the mess, I'll offer that the initial reasonsing was that since the creature template used specified levels, I'd use specific level categories. As the Gemstone Bestiary (not the greatest database) uses specific levels, I also figured that this approach was suitable. Both systems, however, can happily exist side by side. I think a next logical category would actually be something like [[:Category: Solhaven Hunting Area|Solhaven Hunting Area]]. Thus, having an overall grouping of creatures by level and by location. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 16:38, 6 September 2006 (EDT)


Just curious. [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
:ZOMG SWOON! Oliver is going to do something so awesome that if he were to leak it, it would ruin the surprise and stock prices would plummet. Also, to protect us from further disaster, he's going to just go back rolling back changes (that many of us had discussed) without comment to protect him from prior art charges when he patents it. Actually, no I think that before going ahead and implementing a sweeping change, all ideas should be posted here for all of us to discuss for at least a week. kthx [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 16:44, 6 September 2006 (EDT)


:I've checked it out a couple of times, but...not really. On Wikipedia I do use this option, however: (User interface gadgets) Use a black background with green text on the Monobook skin. Love it. [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 12:52, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
== Rare Item Lists ==


== Front page editing ==
What does everyone think about putting up a section listing all of the rare items out there? (Auction, raffle, etc) I've started a page at [[:Category:Rare Items|Rare Items]], but would like to know what people think and just how it should look before comitting too much effort into it. Also if we can get something nailed down as to how we should organise it, we could make a good template [[User:TRUDEATH|Septus]] 18:47, 5 September 2006 (EDT)
The front page is looking a little stale, especially under the growing pains section. For instance the Ranger article is now pretty fully featured and I think it can safely be removed. In it's place might I suggest [[The Rift]] which is an article that could really benefit from expansion. (Also as an aside while I'm previewing this, it appears the 4 tilde signature is not working) 15:15, 2 September 2009 (EDT) ([[User:KANYDA]] )


: Hmm, let's test... Seemed it just now worked for me, the tilde signature. Maybe one of the SysOps may know more about it than me, though. [[User:DRIZZT-12|Adam]] <sup>[[User talk:DRIZZT-12|talk]]</sup> 17:54, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
== Spell Templates, Round 2 ==


::Maybe I'm just confused, on WP they use four tildes and two dashes and that puts the time and date and your user name. When I try it here four tildes puts just the time and date but no user name, I'll give it another shot.[[User:KANYDA|Drew]] 01:24, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
I've completed all three ''potential'' [[:Category:Spell Templates|spell templates]] at this time. I've also taken the liberty of including a [[Help:Style (spell templates)|definitions page]] which explains the terms used in the template and the values which can placed in each of those fields. Eventually, each value should have its own defining page (many already do). Examples can be found on [[401]] and [[415]] as with before. I also updated any articles which were already using the templates, so the information displayed wouldn't be interrupted from the change. Some notes and/or discussion topics follow. [[User:ULTHRIPE|<sub>who is</sub>]] '''Ulthripe''' [[User talk:ULTHRIPE|<sup>reads this</sup>]] 07:22, 4 September 2006 (EDT)


:::Seems to work now, hmm. I was on another computer and using NoScript, maybe that was the culprit. 01:25, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
* Again, I'm not married to the whole color scheme thing, but I would like to know if this is any more tolerable than previously.
* Andy and I came up with the idea of turning the field names into links, each with their own descriptive articles. Alternately, they could all link to the help page which outlines them already. I'm still on the fence, personally.
* I strongly feel (and others have agreed) that type-specific spell templates are the way to go. The template encapsulates all of the information about each spell that one would wish to reference quickly. I ask that anyone opposed to this change seriously considers the function of them, and the enhanced reference capabilities they offer.


:I switched out [[The Rift]] page for the [[Ranger]] page, and put some links into the current featured article page...more lively? [[User:MILQUETOAST|Becca]] 19:47, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
I've got it. You're colorblind. Other than that, I think that yes, having the name fields as links would be great (ie 'Availability' and 'Span' would link to articles (or sections of a page) that describes the options there. Other than that, yes, I like these templates a lot. The colors, though? You must be joking. For colors, I'd use: <font color=#CCFF99>Defense Magic CCFF99</font>
<font color=#99CCFF>Utility Magic 99CCFF</font>
<font color=#FF9999>Offensive Magic FF9999</font> or <font color=#CC6666>Offensive Magic CC6666</font>. Though the defensive and utility ones aren't so readable, I'd not use them for the text in the cell anyway, just the border and/or background. Maybe something like this?


::Very nice. One other request could we get a front page link to https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Legendary_Items somewhere on the front page? It's my favorite section and I know that of several other people, and one I'd like to encourage growth in. [[User:KANYDA|Drew]] 03:09, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
{| align="center" style="margin-left: 20px; margin-bottom: 5px;"
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{| style="width: 23em; font-size: 95%; text-align: left;"
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!colspan=2 align=center style="background:#CCFF99"|'''Defense Magic'''
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! [[Mnemonic]]
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! [[Help:Style (spell templates)#Type|Type]]
| valign="top" style="white-space: nowrap;" | {{{type}}}
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! [[Base Duration]]
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! [[Additional Duration]]
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! [[Span]]
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! [[Availability]]
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|} Just my thoughts (ps only made one of the links work, because, you know, i'm lazy. [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 13:28, 4 September 2006 (EDT)


:::Another good suggestion! I added the link to the [[:Category:Legendary Items|Legendary Items]] category to the In-Universe category link, as well as the [[:Category:Storylines|Storylines]] category link because I'd like to see that fleshed out myself. [[User:MILQUETOAST|Becca]] 17:23, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
: Remove the colors. The descriptive text in the heading is enough. I'd also pick either Offense/Defense/Utility or Offensive/Defensive/Utility for the headings, not the current mix. Looking over the linked Help page, I noticed the provision of using ''Special'' in any field so long as the article provides sufficient explanation. Doesn't this go against your earlier feelings that every option of a spell template should be required? Or is it sufficient that ''something'' is typed into the template, just as long as the field is filled? I've included more comments on each template's talk page. - [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 09:25, 5 September 2006 (EDT)


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Colors are useful for a number of reasons. Keep them, just make them not make baby jesus (or moses or whoever) cry. As to Oliver picking on U about, the field labels, <nowiki>[[{{PAGENAME}}#Subsection|Special]]</nowiki> is very very very different from N/A for obvious reasons. [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 12:27, 5 September 2006 (EDT) (not a bully)
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: Personally, I like the colors, and I don't see where they'd hurt, except in the cases where it makes things difficult to read (and I do believe the current green text in the Defensive Spell template is, but Justin's alternative is not). They do nothing but help, really, if you ask me, but the whole issue is rather minor, at best. Visually, however, I find the colors more appealing, and that is one of the aspects of an encyclopedia IE, a work of art. Here, I'll dig those up for you guys just to give an idea of what I'm referring to. [http://img177.echo.cx/img177/6052/vandoren13qn.jpg], [http://img177.echo.cx/img177/9918/vandoren29ks.jpg], [http://img177.echo.cx/img177/171/vandoren30lh.jpg], [http://img177.echo.cx/img177/9131/vandoren42az.jpg], [http://img177.echo.cx/img177/885/vandoren52gq.jpg], and [http://img233.echo.cx/img233/8328/vandoren69sp.jpg]. I realize we're not, exactly, an encyclopedia, but I believe that these values and views remain true, even to our application. Though, the mechanics should be as accurate as possible, in the more specific articles. Anyway! That's my $0.02. -[[User:BELATHUS|Andy]] <sup>[[User talk:BELATHUS|talk]]</sup> 19:05, 5 September 2006 (EDT)

= [[Krakiipedia:Village pump/Archives|Archives]] =
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Latest revision as of 15:44, 3 January 2015

Welcome to the village pump, where anyone can say anything about whatever, and people can respond! Yeehaw! Remember to sign your comments by putting 4 tildes (~~~~) at the end.

Reorganization

The site wasn't very well organized in terms of consistency in categories. I'm making an effort to get everything into cohesive layers of categories. Open up the River's Rest category and there are no longer almost 200 pages there, there are some pages that don't fit in sub categories that will remain in the RR category, but many of the pages have been only categorized under the subcategory, such as the Casler Huntington Storyline, or hunting areas, or Museum, it's still in process, I jump around.

I'm not exactly opposed to all-encompassing categories, but that didn't really exist in the first place, so I figure I'd put things in a sensible location before expanding if people think there is a need. There were also over 500 pages uncategorized and that has been cut to 30, mainly pages that are incomplete/abandoned efforts (not the tones, that I have a lot of additional recent info to add).

I have also reviewed the categories and tried to consolidate very similar ones or ones with one page. I have not touched categories having to do with creatures unless something seemed off (see troll wraith). I'm also paying special attention to the "Gemstone" group of categories that appear in the left navigation panel. I think these should be especially clean in terms of filtering information into the right subcategories as they are linked from every single page. For example, do we really need every wand listed in the Magic category? I think keeping them off the main Magic category page and in the Common Magical Items subcategory is more comprehensive.

For the saved posts, does every saved post really need its own page? Isn't it easier in a lot of cases to consolidate them under 1 page (e.g. Major Spiritual (saved posts)). This obviously doesn't fit for every post, but I like to see the progression of things rather than go digging for the next change. I think grouping and/or linking between the saved posts for one topic is extremely helpful. VANKRASN39 17:47, 23 May 2014 (EDT)

How to Color Text

Hey, its been a long time since I've done serious work on Krakiipedia, and I forgot how to color text. I have some text I want to make red, and I thought it would be way too ghetto to just link them to a non-existant page, though if it comes to that, I will totally do that. Any tips? IRVINETOMOE 12:10, 6 September 2012 (EDT)

<span style="color:red"> red </span> will make the text in between the span and /span red. I generally google any wiki formatting questions I have. Check these pages out for info and color numbering: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_color_formatting_help and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Using_colours. I think all of our wiki geeks who warred over wiki styles are gone, so unless you make an entire page hot pink font on a bright yellow background, use colors as you see fit. Becca 15:13, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
Unfortunately, I'm working a table that has lots of different ways of showing special info already, including bolded text, underlined text, and the little cross symbol as well. I needed one more, and because it was a warning, so to speak, red seemed to make the most sense to me. Thanks for the info! If you have any further suggestions, you can see the table on the Minor Summoning (725) page. IRVINETOMOE 15:33, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

We Need SysOps

So, as far as I can tell, we do not have any active SysOp accounts. The main thing that differs for a SysOp is the ability to move/delete pages and edit the main page. My policy has been to promote the most active contributors to this level when necessary, but I haven't really kept up on who has been doing what on KP in any significant capacity for a while, which is unfortunate. What this means is that I do not have a good idea of who contributes what or who might be interested in or appropriate for this responsibility.

So, how about this, you guys nominate yourselves and give a brief reason why. I'll look into the edit history of those nominated and as long as I don't see anything questionable, we should have a few more SysOps around. I'll check back in a week or so, since the new year is upon us.

All of this said, I want to take a moment to thank everyone who contributes to Krakiipedia. Without those contributions this place would be an empty shell with a clever name. You guys are the best.

(Man, I just reviewed this edit and scrolled down to see a similar message from 2008. That message is almost four years old. Wow. Still, I'm being sincere here, folks. Thank you very much for the work you all do.)

Oliver Talk 13:07, 30 December 2011 (EST)

I'd be interested in being a SysOp. For one, it'd be nice to be able to clean-up (aka delete) after myself when I'm, f.ex., testing something. KAGE 22:53, 4 January 2012 (EST)
Kage would be a fine sysop, he's one of the most active editors around. --Drew 14:38, 9 January 2012 (EST)
Thank you, Drew. - KAGE 15:46, 16 January 2012 (EST)
Hey, I'll second that emotion. I know Kage would do an outstanding job. - Mark 22:33, 16 January 2012 (EST)
Thank you, Mark - KAGE 06:13, 17 January 2012 (EST)
This is a bit old, but I'd be a SysOp if you are still looking for some. DAID 02:17, 24 November 2012 (EST)

New Users

Welcome to the few new users, yay! Apologies for taking forever to activate your accounts. Oliver Talk 13:07, 30 December 2011 (EST)

Sure! Let the riff raff in, why don't'cha! I mean...ummm...hi! - KAGE 01:19, 31 December 2011 (EST)

User list by number of edits

Is there a way to sort the user list by number of edits? It'd be fun to see a list of them. Drew 15:51, 16 September 2011 (EDT)

KP Skin

Does anyone actually use the KP skin option? This is something I added sometime close to the beginning of KP's existence, but haven't really had time or inclination to expand on. I've always thought that getting a nice, custom theme designed for KP should be done, but my skills just aren't up to snuff.

Just curious. Oliver Talk 12:07, 30 March 2010 (EDT)

I've checked it out a couple of times, but...not really. On Wikipedia I do use this option, however: (User interface gadgets) Use a black background with green text on the Monobook skin. Love it. KAGE 12:52, 30 March 2010 (EDT)

Front page editing

The front page is looking a little stale, especially under the growing pains section. For instance the Ranger article is now pretty fully featured and I think it can safely be removed. In it's place might I suggest The Rift which is an article that could really benefit from expansion. (Also as an aside while I'm previewing this, it appears the 4 tilde signature is not working) 15:15, 2 September 2009 (EDT) (User:KANYDA )

Hmm, let's test... Seemed it just now worked for me, the tilde signature. Maybe one of the SysOps may know more about it than me, though. Adam talk 17:54, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
Maybe I'm just confused, on WP they use four tildes and two dashes and that puts the time and date and your user name. When I try it here four tildes puts just the time and date but no user name, I'll give it another shot.Drew 01:24, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
Seems to work now, hmm. I was on another computer and using NoScript, maybe that was the culprit. 01:25, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
I switched out The Rift page for the Ranger page, and put some links into the current featured article page...more lively? Becca 19:47, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
Very nice. One other request could we get a front page link to https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Legendary_Items somewhere on the front page? It's my favorite section and I know that of several other people, and one I'd like to encourage growth in. Drew 03:09, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
Another good suggestion! I added the link to the Legendary Items category to the In-Universe category link, as well as the Storylines category link because I'd like to see that fleshed out myself. Becca 17:23, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

Archives

Archives of the Village Pump page.