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Welcome to the village pump, where anyone can say anything about whatever, and people can respond! Yeehaw! Remember to sign your comments by putting 4 tildes (~~~~) at the end.

Reorganization

The site wasn't very well organized in terms of consistency in categories. I'm making an effort to get everything into cohesive layers of categories. Open up the River's Rest category and there are no longer almost 200 pages there, there are some pages that don't fit in sub categories that will remain in the RR category, but many of the pages have been only categorized under the subcategory, such as the Casler Huntington Storyline, or hunting areas, or Museum, it's still in process, I jump around.

I'm not exactly opposed to all-encompassing categories, but that didn't really exist in the first place, so I figure I'd put things in a sensible location before expanding if people think there is a need. There were also over 500 pages uncategorized and that has been cut to 30, mainly pages that are incomplete/abandoned efforts (not the tones, that I have a lot of additional recent info to add).

I have also reviewed the categories and tried to consolidate very similar ones or ones with one page. I have not touched categories having to do with creatures unless something seemed off (see troll wraith). I'm also paying special attention to the "Gemstone" group of categories that appear in the left navigation panel. I think these should be especially clean in terms of filtering information into the right subcategories as they are linked from every single page. For example, do we really need every wand listed in the Magic category? I think keeping them off the main Magic category page and in the Common Magical Items subcategory is more comprehensive.

For the saved posts, does every saved post really need its own page? Isn't it easier in a lot of cases to consolidate them under 1 page (e.g. Major Spiritual (saved posts)). This obviously doesn't fit for every post, but I like to see the progression of things rather than go digging for the next change. I think grouping and/or linking between the saved posts for one topic is extremely helpful. VANKRASN39 17:47, 23 May 2014 (EDT)

How to Color Text

Hey, its been a long time since I've done serious work on Krakiipedia, and I forgot how to color text. I have some text I want to make red, and I thought it would be way too ghetto to just link them to a non-existant page, though if it comes to that, I will totally do that. Any tips? IRVINETOMOE 12:10, 6 September 2012 (EDT)

<span style="color:red"> red </span> will make the text in between the span and /span red. I generally google any wiki formatting questions I have. Check these pages out for info and color numbering: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_color_formatting_help and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Using_colours. I think all of our wiki geeks who warred over wiki styles are gone, so unless you make an entire page hot pink font on a bright yellow background, use colors as you see fit. Becca 15:13, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

Unfortunately, I'm working a table that has lots of different ways of showing special info already, including bolded text, underlined text, and the little cross symbol as well. I needed one more, and because it was a warning, so to speak, red seemed to make the most sense to me. Thanks for the info! If you have any further suggestions, you can see the table on the Minor Summoning (725) page. IRVINETOMOE 15:33, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

We Need SysOps

So, as far as I can tell, we do not have any active SysOp accounts. The main thing that differs for a SysOp is the ability to move/delete pages and edit the main page. My policy has been to promote the most active contributors to this level when necessary, but I haven't really kept up on who has been doing what on KP in any significant capacity for a while, which is unfortunate. What this means is that I do not have a good idea of who contributes what or who might be interested in or appropriate for this responsibility.

So, how about this, you guys nominate yourselves and give a brief reason why. I'll look into the edit history of those nominated and as long as I don't see anything questionable, we should have a few more SysOps around. I'll check back in a week or so, since the new year is upon us.

All of this said, I want to take a moment to thank everyone who contributes to Krakiipedia. Without those contributions this place would be an empty shell with a clever name. You guys are the best.

(Man, I just reviewed this edit and scrolled down to see a similar message from 2008. That message is almost four years old. Wow. Still, I'm being sincere here, folks. Thank you very much for the work you all do.)

Oliver ^Talk 13:07, 30 December 2011 (EST)

I'd be interested in being a SysOp. For one, it'd be nice to be able to clean-up (aka delete) after myself when I'm, f.ex., testing something. KAGE 22:53, 4 January 2012 (EST)

Kage would be a fine sysop, he's one of the most active editors around. --Drew 14:38, 9 January 2012 (EST)

Thank you, Drew. - KAGE 15:46, 16 January 2012 (EST)

Hey, I'll second that emotion. I know Kage would do an outstanding job. - Mark 22:33, 16 January 2012 (EST)

Thank you, Mark - KAGE 06:13, 17 January 2012 (EST)

This is a bit old, but I'd be a SysOp if you are still looking for some. DAID 02:17, 24 November 2012 (EST)

New Users

Welcome to the few new users, yay! Apologies for taking forever to activate your accounts. Oliver ^Talk 13:07, 30 December 2011 (EST)

Sure! Let the riff raff in, why don't'cha! I mean...ummm...hi! - KAGE 01:19, 31 December 2011 (EST)

User list by number of edits

Is there a way to sort the user list by number of edits? It'd be fun to see a list of them. Drew 15:51, 16 September 2011 (EDT)

KP Skin

Does anyone actually use the KP skin option? This is something I added sometime close to the beginning of KP's existence, but haven't really had time or inclination to expand on. I've always thought that getting a nice, custom theme designed for KP should be done, but my skills just aren't up to snuff.

Just curious. Oliver ^Talk 12:07, 30 March 2010 (EDT)

I've checked it out a couple of times, but...not really. On Wikipedia I do use this option, however: (User interface gadgets) Use a black background with green text on the Monobook skin. Love it. KAGE 12:52, 30 March 2010 (EDT)

Front page editing

The front page is looking a little stale, especially under the growing pains section. For instance the Ranger article is now pretty fully featured and I think it can safely be removed. In it's place might I suggest The Rift which is an article that could really benefit from expansion. (Also as an aside while I'm previewing this, it appears the 4 tilde signature is not working) 15:15, 2 September 2009 (EDT) (User:KANYDA )

Hmm, let's test... Seemed it just now worked for me, the tilde signature. Maybe one of the SysOps may know more about it than me, though. Adam ^talk 17:54, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

Maybe I'm just confused, on WP they use four tildes and two dashes and that puts the time and date and your user name. When I try it here four tildes puts just the time and date but no user name, I'll give it another shot.Drew 01:24, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

Seems to work now, hmm. I was on another computer and using NoScript, maybe that was the culprit. 01:25, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

I switched out The Rift page for the Ranger page, and put some links into the current featured article page...more lively? Becca 19:47, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

Very nice. One other request could we get a front page link to https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Legendary_Items somewhere on the front page? It's my favorite section and I know that of several other people, and one I'd like to encourage growth in. Drew 03:09, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

Another good suggestion! I added the link to the Legendary Items category to the In-Universe category link, as well as the Storylines category link because I'd like to see that fleshed out myself. Becca 17:23, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

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 Welcome to the village pump, where anyone can say anything about whatever, and people can respond!  Yeehaw!  Remember to sign your comments by putting 4 tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end.
-== New SysOps ==
+== Reorganization ==
+The site wasn't very well organized in terms of consistency in categories. I'm making an effort to get everything into cohesive layers of categories.  Open up the [[:Category:River's Rest|River's Rest]] category and there are no longer almost 200 pages there, there are some pages that don't fit in sub categories that will remain in the RR category, but many of the pages have been only categorized under the subcategory, such as the Casler Huntington Storyline, or hunting areas, or Museum, it's still in process, I jump around.
-You may have noticed that I have promoted [[User:REBELAT|REBELAT (Ross)]] and [[User:BELATHUS|BELATHUS (Andy)]] to the position of SysOp.  This decision comes in light of the fact that I do not have as much time as I'd like to administer Krakiipedia, and doing so essentially alone as it is, leaves some of you editors wanting.  My selections came based on three primary factors: contribution to KP, passion for working on and furthering KP and prior experience in the area of working in a Wiki environment.  The selection also comes as a sort of split between the world documentation effort, and the mechanics documentation effort, which are two very different worlds, and need two different styles of leadership, I believe.  All you editors can look to these two fine gentlemen for your needs, though I'll still be around, of course.  Any direct administration needs, such as software updates and the like, still need to come through me.  Congrats, guys.  :)
-[[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 20:25, 6 December 2006 (EST)
-::Thanks for the promotion, Ollie.  Now I'm officially guilt tripped into working overtime. :(    [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 20:32, 6 December 2006 (EST)
+I'm not exactly opposed to all-encompassing categories, but that didn't really exist in the first place, so I figure I'd put things in a sensible location before expanding if people think there is a need. There were also over 500 pages uncategorized and that has been cut to 30, mainly pages that are incomplete/abandoned efforts (not the tones, that I have a lot of additional recent info to add).
-== Parser Functions ==
-Ollie, add [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions#Installation this] to KP's extensions.  It will help with many, many edits, in addition to Justin's proposed method of grouping near-level creatures, which he will tell you about when you ask.  In short, this particular file will allow us to utilize math functions in KP, allowing values to be manipulated to, for example, calculate what near-level creatures are for the beastiary or to calculate the various AvDs for weapons in the weapon table templates.  Additionally, your [[User talk:Anshou|talk page]] needs immediate attention. -[[User:BELATHUS|Andy]] <sup>[[User talk:BELATHUS|talk]]</sup> 18:57, 6 December 2006 (EST)
+I have also reviewed the categories and tried to consolidate very similar ones or ones with one page. I have not touched categories having to do with creatures unless something seemed off (see [[troll wraith]]).  I'm also paying special attention to the "Gemstone" group of categories that appear in the left navigation panel. I think these should be especially clean in terms of filtering information into the right subcategories as they are linked from every single page. For example, do we really need every wand listed in the Magic category? I think keeping them off the main Magic category page and in the Common Magical Items subcategory is more comprehensive.
-: If you need to address me personally, leave a message on my talk page, not here.  I'll give my talk page attention when I am good and ready to, thanks.  Be more mindful of your attitude, and don't make me regret promoting you to sysop.
-: [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 20:08, 6 December 2006 (EST)
+For the saved posts, does every saved post really need its own page? Isn't it easier in a lot of cases to consolidate them under 1 page (e.g. [[Major Spiritual (saved posts)]]). This obviously doesn't fit for every post, but I like to see the progression of things rather than go digging for the next change. I think grouping and/or linking between the saved posts for one topic is extremely helpful. [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] 17:47, 23 May 2014 (EDT)
-::That's a joke right?  Not giving Andy sysop status, that's awesome.  The whole, "I have a bigger (insert alpha-male-determining-trait-here) than you part.  [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 20:13, 6 December 2006 (EST)
+== How to Color Text ==
-::: Actually, I really was trying to be helpful, and patient.  And, I am shocked.  Thanks, Ollie.  -[[User:BELATHUS|Andy]] <sup>[[User talk:BELATHUS|talk]]</sup> 20:58, 6 December 2006 (EST)
+Hey, its been a long time since I've done serious work on Krakiipedia, and I forgot how to color text. I have some text I want to make red, and I thought it would be way too ghetto to just link them to a non-existant page, though if it comes to that, I will totally do that. Any tips? [[User:IRVINETOMOE|IRVINETOMOE]] 12:10, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
-== Krakiipedia Bestiary Information ==
-If anyone is still editing Krakiipedia seriously, I think a group effort could result in some good data on the creatures of GS4. I'd love to be able to search any creature (eg, [[fire cat]]) and know exactly its AS, DS, CS, TDs for different circles, armor type, location, attack types, special attack types, wealth types, and approximate skin value. The old Coven bestiary doesn't cut it -- I see hardly any pages there with good information. Why not make Krakiipedia the new best place to look for creature data? Someone could come up with a good template for AS/DS/CS/TDspirit/TDelemental/TDetc/armor/weapon, and then each still-working editor could just add the creatures they're currently hunting. If we had a lot of editors doing this  at various levels in the game, we'd quickly have a ton of the in-game creatures listed. I think it would make Krakiipedia and even more invaluable resource, and a ton better than the Coven, since anyone could edit it when creatures are tweaked by GMs. [[User:THIKKET|THIKKET]] 18:26, 25 November 2006 (EST)
+: <nowiki><span style="color:red"> red </span></nowiki> will make the text in between the span and /span <span style="color:red">red</span>.  I generally google any wiki formatting questions I have.  Check these pages out for info and color numbering: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_color_formatting_help and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Using_colours.  I think all of our wiki geeks who warred over wiki styles are gone, so unless you make an entire page hot pink font on a bright yellow background, use colors as you see fit. [[User:MILQUETOAST|Becca]] 15:13, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
-:I fully agree. We have an amazing resource here, and with '''time and effort''' Krakiipedia can easily become the best and most complete GemStone resource out there. Unfortunately, there are few people 'dedicated' to contributing here, and those which are, struggle to maintain any kind of leadership.  That's why its important for me to welcome folks like yourself, make them feel welcomed and comfortable with being an editor. Make no mistake about it, we need you! I'd also like to direct you to the comments I just made at: [[Krakiipedia talk:Nomination]] [[User:ULTHRIPE|<sub>who is</sub>]] '''Ulthripe''' [[User talk:ULTHRIPE|<sup>reads this</sup>]] 18:50, 25 November 2006 (EST)
+:: Unfortunately, I'm working a table that has lots of different ways of showing special info already, including bolded text, underlined text, and the little cross symbol as well. I needed one more, and because it was a warning, so to speak, red seemed to make the most sense to me. Thanks for the info! If you have any further suggestions, you can see the table on the [[Minor Summoning (725)]] page. [[User:IRVINETOMOE|IRVINETOMOE]] 15:33, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
-New bestiary will be going up tonight.  I've been working closely with ULTHRIPE and BELATHUS and DACAPN on it and we're pretty happy with it.  If you see anything that needs changing, it's never too late.  [[User:ALKALOIDS|justin]] <sup>[[User talk:ALKALOIDS|talk]]</sup> 20:38, 6 December 2006 (EST)
+== We Need SysOps ==
-::Great news. Looking forward to seeing what you've all done.  [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 20:47, 6 December 2006 (EST)
+So, as far as I can tell, we do not have any active SysOp accounts.  The main thing that differs for a SysOp is the ability to move/delete pages and edit the main page.  My policy has been to promote the most active contributors to this level when necessary, but I haven't really kept up on who has been doing what on KP in any significant capacity for a while, which is unfortunate.  What this means is that I do not have a good idea of who contributes what or who might be interested in or appropriate for this responsibility.
-== Custom Skin ==
-Just noticed today that the custom skin doesn't render even close to right in IE6.  Yes, the cursed IE.  FF's memory leaks have been driving me nuts, so I brought up IE for a quick info check here and noticed the rendering issues.  Haven't tried IE7, which is installing now and I'll check later (boo reboot). [[User:WELCHA|WELCHA]] 13:56, 5 November 2006 (EST)
+So, how about this, you guys nominate yourselves and give a brief reason why.  I'll look into the edit history of those nominated and as long as I don't see anything questionable, we should have a few more SysOps around. I'll check back in a week or so, since the new year is upon us.
-: Yep, the KP skin isn't anywhere near finished, and is being primarily developed using FireFox and Safari, since they don't take a crap on themselves when rendering CSS.  Efforts will eventually be made to make the skin friendly to as many browsers as possible, but it isn't a priority at the moment.
-: [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 14:35, 5 November 2006 (EST)
-::P.S. I read that the new Firefox 2.0 doesn't have memory leak problems.  The problems are with the third party add ons. Erm.  Do with that as you will. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 14:53, 5 November 2006 (EST)
-:::It's definitely Firefox 2.0 with the leak.  All my plugins are turned off and it still steadily increases its memory use. [[User:WELCHA|WELCHA]] 18:48, 5 November 2006 (EST)
-::Meh, I was fed bad intel.  Boo. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 14:44, 6 November 2006 (EST)
-:Type "about:config" into the address bar and hit enter. Change the value of "browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers" from -1 to 0. That should keep it from eating up your memory. Enjoy! [[User:ULTHRIPE|<sub>who is</sub>]] '''Ulthripe''' [[User talk:ULTHRIPE|<sup>reads this</sup>]] 05:28, 9 November 2006 (EST)
+All of this said, I want to take a moment to thank everyone who contributes to Krakiipedia.  Without those contributions this place would be an empty shell with a clever name.  You guys are the best.
-== New KP Policy ==
+(Man, I just reviewed this edit and scrolled down to see a similar message from 2008.  That message is almost four years old.  Wow.  Still, I'm being sincere here, folks.  Thank you very much for the work you all do.)
-I'd like to direct everyone over to [[Help:Style]] to read over the new NPOV and IUHPOV policy added to KP's style guide.
-[[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 14:25, 4 October 2006 (EDT)
+[[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 13:07, 30 December 2011 (EST)
-Would it be appropriate to create templates for flagging articles which need to be brought in line with particular policies? Here's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_maintenance_templates Wikipedia's equivalent templates] for examples. [[User:ULTHRIPE|<sub>who is</sub>]] '''Ulthripe''' [[User talk:ULTHRIPE|<sup>reads this</sup>]] 22:10, 1 November 2006 (EST)
+:I'd be interested in being a SysOp.  For one, it'd be nice to be able to clean-up (aka delete) after myself when I'm, f.ex., testing something.  [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 22:53, 4 January 2012 (EST)
-:I think a template would be fine. [[User:REBELAT|Rail]] 08:20, 2 November 2006 (EST)
+::Kage would be a fine sysop, he's one of the most active editors around. --[[User:KANYDA|Drew]] 14:38, 9 January 2012 (EST)
+:::Thank you, Drew. - [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 15:46, 16 January 2012 (EST)
+::Hey, I'll second that emotion. I know Kage would do an outstanding job. - [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] 22:33, 16 January 2012 (EST)
+:::Thank you, Mark - [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 06:13, 17 January 2012 (EST)
+:This is a bit old, but I'd be a SysOp if you are still looking for some.  [[User:DAID|DAID]] 02:17, 24 November 2012 (EST)
+== New Users ==
-= [[Krakiipedia:Village pump/Archives|Archives]] =
-{{Krakiipedia:Village pump/Archives}}
+Welcome to the few new users, yay!  Apologies for taking forever to activate your accounts. [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 13:07, 30 December 2011 (EST)
+:Sure!  Let the riff raff in, why don't'cha!  I mean...ummm...hi!  - [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 01:19, 31 December 2011 (EST)
+== User list by number of edits ==
+Is there a way to sort the user list by number of edits? It'd be fun to see a list of them. [[User:KANYDA|Drew]] 15:51, 16 September 2011 (EDT)
+== KP Skin ==
+Does anyone actually use the KP skin option?  This is something I added sometime close to the beginning of KP's existence, but haven't really had time or inclination to expand on.  I've always thought that getting a nice, custom theme designed for KP should be done, but my skills just aren't up to snuff.
+Just curious.  [[User:Anshou|Oliver]] <sup>[[User talk:Anshou|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
+:I've checked it out a couple of times, but...not really.  On Wikipedia I do use this option, however:  (User interface gadgets) Use a black background with green text on the Monobook skin.  Love it. [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 12:52, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
+== Front page editing ==
+The front page is looking a little stale, especially under the growing pains section. For instance the Ranger article is now pretty fully featured and I think it can safely be removed. In it's place might I suggest [[The Rift]] which is an article that could really benefit from expansion. (Also as an aside while I'm previewing this, it appears the 4 tilde signature is not working) 15:15, 2 September 2009 (EDT) ([[User:KANYDA]] )
+: Hmm, let's test... Seemed it just now worked for me, the tilde signature.  Maybe one of the SysOps may know more about it than me, though. [[User:DRIZZT-12|Adam]] <sup>[[User talk:DRIZZT-12|talk]]</sup> 17:54, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
+::Maybe I'm just confused, on WP they use four tildes and two dashes and that puts the time and date and your user name. When I try it here four tildes puts just the time and date but no user name, I'll give it another shot.[[User:KANYDA|Drew]] 01:24, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
+:::Seems to work now, hmm. I was on another computer and using NoScript, maybe that was the culprit. 01:25, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
+:I switched out [[The Rift]] page for the [[Ranger]] page, and put some links into the current featured article page...more lively? [[User:MILQUETOAST|Becca]] 19:47, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
+::Very nice. One other request could we get a front page link to https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Legendary_Items somewhere on the front page? It's my favorite section and I know that of several other people, and one I'd like to encourage growth in.  [[User:KANYDA|Drew]] 03:09, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
+:::Another good suggestion! I added the link to the [[:Category:Legendary Items|Legendary Items]] category to the In-Universe category link, as well as the [[:Category:Storylines|Storylines]] category link because I'd like to see that fleshed out myself. [[User:MILQUETOAST|Becca]] 17:23, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
+= [[Gswiki:Village pump/Archives|Archives]] =
+{{Gswiki:Village pump/Archives}}

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Reorganization

How to Color Text

We Need SysOps

New Users

User list by number of edits

KP Skin

Front page editing

Archives

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How to Color Text

We Need SysOps

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User list by number of edits

KP Skin

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