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I kind of like the idea. I'm less of a fan of moving 525 to another spell slot. (Also, we don't currently have any plans of releasing 50th level spells for non-profession spell circles, so 550 isn't even on the table as a target slot.)


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I'm immune to fire! Now with more banhammer! You sense the bond between you and your grey cat grow stronger.
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Thanks for the feedback, Naos.

So, how about this:

Change the slot to 535 - Storm, and give it some kind of front end disabling damage. The additional waves will continue as initially proposed.
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As a direct consequence of the elemental attunement thread in the minor elemental board, I propose...

502 Elemental Attunement [EATTUNE]Duration: SpecialType: UtilityAs masters of elemental forces, these practitioners have learned how to temporarily overcome their natural attunement to a single element. After casting this spell, the caster is able to summon powers from an elemental plane of their choosing to power the next spell they cast (within 30 seconds). Like many spells, knowledge of a spell is not the same as mastery of the spell. When invoking power from the elemental planes, there is a chance of unleashing more power than the caster can handle or simply failing to channel sufficient power.

Example (modelled after 203):

''>attune''

Usage:
ATTUNE RANDOM - Focus randomly on any elemental energy type.
ATTUNE ELEMENT - Focus on your attuned elemental energy type.

You are attuned to the Element of Fire.

You are currently focused on your attuned element.

''>prep 502''
You recite a series of mystical phrases while raising your hands, invoking Elemental Attunemet...
Your spell is ready.

''>summon air''
A brief wind swirls around you before disappearing. You're left feeling that the power of elemental air is at your fingertips.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
(Forcing stance down to guarded)

''>prep 411''
You gesture and invoke the powers of the elements for the Elemental Blade spell...
Your spell is ready.

''>cast dagger''
You gesture at a dagger.
A bolt of energy leaps from your hand to the dagger which seems to absorb the energy. After a few moments the dagger begins to shine with a brilliant luminescence.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

''>l dagger''
The dagger is surrounded by a scintillating white light.


Random thoughts...

And, if it's considered too powerful to chose an attunement for a single cast, add failure chances ...

... chance of minor failure - you aren't able to attune to the element summoned for some reason - no negative effect, just 2 mana wasted

Chance to avoid a minor failure could be either based on EMC or MjE ranks. It shouldn't require too much of either, though, to basically avoid the failure. This spell is already of pretty limited limited use(1).

... chance of major failure - something went horribly wrong - take a rank 1 crit from the element summoned and not attuned successfully

Chance to avoid a major failure could be based on the appropriate elemental lore where (50 - EL bonus) = chance of major failure(2)(3).

Clearly, with failure chances, it would become a low level spell that is not intended for low level casters. I tried to minimize that by setting the major failure low enough that by the time they're learning spells where they could have some use for it, they'd be able to have 0% major failure chance with at least 1 additional element.


Notes:
(1) How many spells actually look at attunement at all? 6, I think -> 503 (messaging only), 409(??), 411, 415, 435, and 920 (wyrdlings) did I miss any?

(2) Casters should automatically get a 0% chance of failure on their attuned element, but someone might argue that's giving attunement a (irrelevant) mechanical advantage.

(3) Yes, I realize my failure chances above mean you could potentially have more chance of a majoir failure than a minor one. I'm not claiming to have perfect mechanics here, just an interesting idea :D
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I like it!

Better than spell store, at any rate!

-Sea Wizard

You reach into the cauldron and take out a silvery monogram rocket.
The cauldron raises up two of its legs and clasps them in victory.
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| author = AUDIOSERF
| date = on 08/09/2010 04:04 AM PDT
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It is hilarious that Spell Store still exists and is a Thing now that prep times are gone. It is literally worse than Nightmare or Disease, two of the most useless spells in the game.

- Matt, Gondains' player.
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Oh, and because I forgot to mention it while making fun of Spell Store -- I like your new 502 idea a lot.

- Matt, Gondains' player.
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Indeed, it's a good idea especially because apparently we're never going to get a FIXATTUNE or anything.

It would be really nice if you could make it a persistent buff rather than a one time use. For instance

prep 502
summon (element)
then "attune focus"

Then any spells normally affected by attune work off whatever you set with 502, and increase their mana cost by 2 each cast.

If that is possible on the technical side, that is.
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Go fish.

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Naos

I'm immune to fire! Now with more banhammer! You sense the bond between you and your grey cat grow stronger.
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''<<>>''

ok, I bite..

How about this

502
elemental negation.
refresable
short duration
While this spell is active, you are no longer attuned to your element...


Not letting us change our element but allowing us to drop it if its a hinderance...



(side note, have not played in a long while.. was no attunement when I left, so I dont know if attune will affect anything in the game in a negative way. I just assume that there is. so please edjucate me on this one, as im shooting in the dark.)





Ack! Scarab!
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''>>Not letting us change our element but allowing us to drop it if its a hinderance...''

ATTUNE RANDOM. That's why attuning to an element is not a disadvantage. Anyone who has already attuned can "attune random" and their spells will be mechanically identical to those of an unattuned character.

''>attune element''
You close your eyes and focus on the Element of Air.
''>attune''

Usage:
ATTUNE RANDOM - Focus randomly on any elemental energy type.
ATTUNE ELEMENT - Focus on your attuned elemental energy type.

You are attuned to the Element of Air.

You are currently focused on your attuned element.

''>attune random''
You close your eyes and release your focus on the Element of Air.
''>attune''

Usage:
ATTUNE RANDOM - Focus randomly on any elemental energy type.
ATTUNE ELEMENT - Focus on your attuned elemental energy type.

You are attuned to the Element of Air.

''>''

~Denil
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''>> Go fish.''


502 - Create Card [ccard]Produces one standard playing card in the caster's hand. With 300 ranks of EL:Air, caster may chose number and suit of card created.

:)
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How about an elemental "bless" spell that lets wizards add temporary elemental flares to magic weapons/projectiles and wands. I guess letting it also be an undead style bless would be too much though heh.

Or maybe a reactive elemental flare buff? Chance for the flare to go off when you're hit.

Maybe a elemental resistance buff? Gives some resistance to a single element, would work randomly or to your attuned element.

Or what about an elemental CS spell? All it does is flare crit. Can be channeled for a double flare. Would give an option to bolting for lower levels. Thinking along the same lines as smite/bane but not as career defining.

All of the above would work with attune element or attune random.

Just some ideas, not sure what is too powerful or has already been tossed out heh.
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As has been discussed before, I don't know why 502 just isn't a direct elemental crit, of minor severity.

Because we could spam it with 515? We can spam FAR WORSE!!

-Sea Wizard

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The cauldron raises up two of its legs and clasps them in victory.
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I would gladly take a bootleg Smite/Bane type of spell in 502. Doesn't have to be nearly as strong, of course. ANYthing would be nice. 502 is more annoying than unimplemented/unfinished spell circles, IMO, because 502 is implemented and is quite literally useless.

- Matt, Gondains' player.
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How about a really cheap Bolt/ranged DS defensive spell (+10)? Yeah, I know it won't help the wizard too terribly much after a certain point, but it would be a nice helper spell for the other professions.

Couldn't be worse than what it is now..

-farmer

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That's just what we want, criss-crossing furrows all over the town streets from someone wandering through with their animated plow super buddy.-Strath
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I don't think anyone disagrees that Spell Store is useless (or at best marginally useful.)

Defensive spells aren't on the table.

I'm not sure if I see the point of a weaker version of 409/415 in the 502 slot. Wizards have enough CS-based attacks as is for a profession that is designed to use bolt spells.

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Naos

I'm immune to fire! Now with more banhammer! You sense the bond between you and your grey cat grow stronger.
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Then, the answer to the dilemma is?

Doug
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single use bolt AS bonus, similar to 117, but not nearly as much of a bonus.

'Cause you know, wizards need more bolt AS...


-Taakhooshi, and Me

For the Story of Taakhooshi:
http://www.gsguide.net/index.php?title=Taakhooshi
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I'm thinking a boost to bolt AS is actually not a bad idea. 502 coming early on could be useful for a low level wizard. Later on, when wizards don't need the AS quite as much, they'd find the boost to be negligible.

502 Hawk Eye
+5 bolt AS
Include some sort of lore bonus, with something like a possible +15 bolt AS at cap (I'd prefer making it earth lore based since not many other spells hinge on that lore...ties in with 510 nicely). 5 AS is huge at level 3. 15 AS at level 100 is pretty small. That actually strikes me as worthy of a low level profession specific spell.

~Galenok
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--- How about a travel type spell, something like Element Mastery. Gives you survival ranks and has a chance to block/mitigate some of the annoying stuff like the cold around icemule, slow movement in swamps, etc. Maybe lets you walk a few inches off the ground like water walking but with random elements or your attuned element.

XXX lifts from the ground supported by roiling disks of fire under his feet. (Okay maybe not that dramatic hehe).

--- Hmm, or perhaps a spell that randomly grows alchemy materials from the ground? All lores could work on it producing different effects. Same for element attunement.

Of course I personally don't have the patience for alchemy heh.

--- How about a cloud type spell that fires bolt spells based on the wizard's Spell Aiming ranks, Major Elemental ranks and/or lores? Random or attuned element could also affect it. Sort of like the Bard's Singing Weapon song, but obviously not as powerful, ie more along the lines of minor shock bolts. Lores could increase the number of bolts/targets it would fire off in a round.

Or instead of a cloud maybe some other thing, like say a crystal growng from the ground if you make it non mobile or maybe a tiny golem if you make it mobile like a familiar.

You could either go with random bolt firing like a cloud or targeted like singing weapon where you tell it to attack a target or it just attacks your target.
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''>>--- How about a travel type spell, something like Element Mastery. Gives you survival ranks and has a chance to block/mitigate some of the annoying stuff like the cold around icemule, slow movement in swamps, etc. Maybe lets you walk a few inches off the ground like water walking but with random elements or your attuned element.''

While the description leans toward more elemental, I see this as more a Ranger's purvey.

~Galenok
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''>ALUVIUS''

Those are kind of powerful for a 2 mana spell.


-farmer

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That's just what we want, criss-crossing furrows all over the town streets from someone wandering through with their animated plow super buddy.-Strath
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502 : Accelerate object
When cast upon an object will cause object to begin vibrating at super sonic speeds. The object can then be used to attack like a bolt spell using the DIRECT verb.

At basic levels this spell can be used on small objects like smooth stones (<2lbs). Additional training would allow the caster to vibrate larger objects like arrows, daggers,stones, and most objects up to 5 pounds.

Advantages: This spell would work on magic-immune creatures. This spell would ignore certain magic-only protective spells.
Disadvantage: This spell would require a disposable item to be useful.

Dgry
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''>502 : Accelerate object''
''>When cast upon an object will cause object to begin vibrating at super sonic speeds. The object can then be used to attack like a bolt spell using the DIRECT verb.''

''>At basic levels this spell can be used on small objects like smooth stones (<2lbs). Additional training would allow the caster to vibrate larger objects like arrows, daggers,stones, and most objects up to 5 pounds.''

''>Advantages: This spell would work on magic-immune creatures. This spell would ignore certain magic-only protective spells.''
Disadvantage: This spell would require a disposable item to be useful.

I seem to recall from some Simucon past that this exact spell will be in one of the mental (or maybe Savant) lists as a telekinesis thing.

I also recall being jealous.

Signed,
Raelee and her Strings

''>Speaking to Zyllah, Alyias says, "See? Raelee knows all."''
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''>I'm not sure if I see the point of a weaker version of 409/415 in the 502 slot. Wizards have enough CS-based attacks as is for a profession that is designed to use bolt spells. -Naoz''

No? I sort of disagree with you. Let's rundown our CS based-attacks...



409--E-blast--Does not cause elemental crit of any kind.

415--E-strike--Does cause elemental crit, for 15 mana!

915--Weapon Fire--Does cause elemental crit, for 15 mana, if it actually hits the target.

501--Sleep--no direct damage

505--Hand of Tonis--no direct damage

512--Ice Patch--LULZCAKES

514--Stone Fist--LOLLERCOASTER!

519--Immolation--Does cause TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE fire damage, for 19 mana.

We have no way to cause elemental criticals for under 15 mana. What if a young wizard is hunting undead, or ice creatures, or fire creatures, or trolls, and wants to inflict some quick and dirty elemental damage if a creature is turtled?

Implement a lore bonus such that X amount of lore training in an element allows you to specify the type of elemental crit you cause. You trained in 10 ranks of fire lore? You can always get a fire crit, if you want.

It would give young wizards a reason to train lores early on in their career, compared to now, where the benefits begin to kick in the latter half of the game.

I don't know. It makes sense to me, as elementalists, regardless of design paradigms, that we should have a cheap, quick spell like this.

-Sea Wizard

You reach into the cauldron and take out a silvery monogram rocket.
The cauldron raises up two of its legs and clasps them in victory.
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My suggestion for 502:

"How about making the spell kind of like the old Unpain, but for mana? You cast the spell, and add X amount of mana to your total pool (Based on spell ranks, EMC, etc). As a balance since it is a level 2 spell, whatever mana was added to your total amount (going from having 300 mana to 330, for instance), would be subtracted from your total mana at the time the spell expired. That way, you would have to manage how much mana you have when the spell falls, or fry the crap out of your nerves.

Have the spell give a nice flat amount at first, like a +10, plus a flat +1 mana per every 20 points over in a D100 roll. Then, have every 10 ranks of EMC up to 100 ranks take off 1 point from the 20, and every 20 ranks from 100-200 taking off another 1 point. Every 10 ranks of Major Elemental over 502 would add another +1 to to base total of mana.

The spell wouldn't be crazy overpowered, but it would always add a decent amount of mana to your overall pool. "
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''>--- How about a travel type spell, something like Element Mastery. Gives you survival ranks and has a chance to block/mitigate some of the annoying stuff like the cold around icemule, slow movement in swamps, etc. Maybe lets you walk a few inches off the ground like water walking but with random elements or your attuned element.''


This is essentially a better version of the ranger spell 602.

I do like the unmana idea. I always thought unpain was a cool spell, reminded me of magic cards that you had to flip a coin for good or bad things to happen.


Olivier/Chivalrous-Proud inventor of the causality destroying Droit ballista

(OOC) You whisper to Oweodry, "What do you think about that ACT she just did?"
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(OOC) Oweodry's player whispers, "I think it's called the ACT verb not the IMPLICATE verb."
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And if these suggestions look too powerful for a level 2 spell, feel free to drop Slow down to 502 and open up 504. Or drop Slow to 502, Ice Patch down to 504, and open up 512.

~Denil
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Slow either needs to be made into a reactive defensive spell, or given an unfocused version. Ice Patch should be turned into a maneuver attack, focused or unfocused, which if the target(s) fails the check, they receive the ROOTED condition.
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I think moving 504 to 502 and 512 to 504 is a great idea, it would make the current 512 far more viable for its intended use (perhaps reduce its overall duration a little for the drop in mana cost).

Something along the lines of this might be ok...

(512) Elemental Alignment
Duration: 10 seconds per rank in Major Elemental Spells.

This spell allows the wizard to temporarily attune to another element. This element can not directly clash with their naturally attuned element if they have chosen one. If a wizard has not chosen an element to attune to yet, this spell will only last half of its normal duration.

A wizard is basically calling upon their allied elements to help them in combat and grants the wizard the ability to harness the elements more readily.

syntax
prep 512
SUMMON [fire, earth, air, water, lightning]

Wizards attuned to fire can not summon water, and vice-versa

Wizards attuned to earth can not summon air, and vice versa

Wizards attuned to lightning can not summon either fire or earth

The duration should be enough to cast a fair amount of spells with enough training in Major Elemental Spells.


Along with the elemental lore review (in the works still?) I would also like to propose the element of Lava (earth/fire hybrid). Granting a bonus to Boil Earth, potential Lava flare damage from Stone Fist and Hurl Bolder, for Lava attuned wizards.

I was also thinking that moving 902 to the 502 slot and making a new 902 would be possible.

Maybe later...

-Fremie-
Moonshine Manor Officer
Events Team Leader
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i like the idea of Ice Patch working more like Web with the rooting, etc.

-Fremie-
Moonshine Manor Officer
Events Team Leader
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Just curious but to the folks that say its too powerful for a 2 mana spell and then compare it to a similiar 2 mana spell ... uhh, whaa? :)

There are plenty of powerful 1-3 mana spells in the lists, including the ones folks used to shoot down my ideas heh. We just happen to have one that is useless.

I think it should be a 2 mana CS damage spell, since as someone outlined the first one we get is 9 mana currently. But that was shot down, thus the flow of ideas.

Regarding Slow. Yeah, maybe move it down to 502 and implement an idea into 504 that is too powerful for the 502 slot. Or better yet, does anyone actually use Slow? As a warmage Feint is much more useful, I don't think I've ever cast it. Maybe revise both slots.
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Then, the answer to the dilemma is?



Some kind of fun utility spell.

- Elemental Runestave /* produces an elemental runestave to serve the wizard, lasts for a duration or until dropped */

- Reinforce object /* Temporarily strengthens an object - one immediate use that comes to mind would be a lockpick or a weapon or armor if weapon breakage existed */

- Garble Woosh /* summons elements of air to alter the targets speech for a period of time, anything spoken comes out altered somehow */

- Sweet Tooth /* Removes a tasty food object from the targets inventory - preference given to tarts, cookies, or candy */

-- Faulkil
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''>I always thought unpain was a cool spell, reminded me of magic cards that you had to flip a coin for good or bad things to happen.''

To my sudden surprise after I returned from a little break to find out that 510 (Unpain) was removed and replaced with Hurl Boulder....casint Hurl Boulder at yourself doesn't remove pain...it hurts!

I was also pretty pissed when I found that 519 (I think that was the spell slot if I remember correctly) Telekinesis was removed....

I miss some of those older spells :-(

-Drumpel
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''>>I was also pretty pissed when I found that 519 (I think that was the spell slot if I remember correctly) Telekinesis was removed....''

Telekinetic Disarm. I think that was judged to invite more abuse than it was worth.

~Denil
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''>>I seem to recall from some Simucon past that this exact spell will be in one of the mental (or maybe Savant) lists as a telekinesis thing.''

http://www.play.net/gs4/info/spells/spelllist.asp?circle=15#1206

GameMaster Oscuro

Rogue Team
Cleric/Empath Team
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''<>''

That makes sense. Moon Mages have this in DR (telekinetic throw, and the more OMGWTFPWN version telekinetic storm) and they're basically savants. (old school moonie represent)

''<>''

It was one of my favorite spells too :(

...i guess i should make a savant when they're released in....oh, who am i kidding.

For 502 how about something that would help low level wizards out when trying to fry hunting as...a wizard instead of a warmage.

elemental empowerment. You have a small chance when casting minor shock, acid, water, or fire to instead cast the major version of that same spell.
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''>I was also pretty pissed when I found that 519 (I think that was the spell slot if I remember correctly) Telekinesis was removed....''


I don't remember what telekinesis did?


Olivier/Chivalrous-Proud inventor of the causality destroying Droit ballista

(OOC) You whisper to Oweodry, "What do you think about that ACT she just did?"
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(OOC) Oweodry's player whispers, "I think it's called the ACT verb not the IMPLICATE verb."
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''>>I don't remember what telekinesis did?''

http://walkaer.tripod.com/MajorElementalspells.txt

~Denil
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''>http://walkaer.tripod.com/MajorElementalspells.txt''


You're making me nostalgic for haste II




Olivier/Chivalrous-Proud inventor of the causality destroying Droit ballista

(OOC) You whisper to Oweodry, "What do you think about that ACT she just did?"
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(OOC) Oweodry's player whispers, "I think it's called the ACT verb not the IMPLICATE verb."
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I've been going through my old data archives lately trying to sort and categorize everything; I finished off my Gemstone folder a few days ago. Among my old stuff I found an ancient spell list, which I copied from a post Krakii made in 1999 on these very forums. I note that some of these aren't implemented yet... perhaps one of them could be a 502 replacement. I suggest the original 520. Seems very practicable in today's Gemstone...

(Not very friendly formatting, but understandable if you take a close look).

-Grendeg



Category Socializing & Roleplaying (10)
Topic Tales of the Old Days in GemStone III (141)
Message How 'bout them Old Days? (628)
By KRAKII@PLAY.NET (Krakii)
On Apr 6, 1999 at 10:05

Want to talk old? Check out the spells (particularly 20th and 50th on the Major Elemental (Closed Essence) list) we were looking at... :)

SPELLS
Open Essence Mage Closed Essence

@401 Guarding I #901 Shockbolt 501 Sleep I
402 Presence *902 Magic Edge 502 Spellstore
403 Lock Lore #903 Water Bolt @503 Blur
404 Trap Lore #904 Stun Cloud 504 Slow I
405 Detect @905 Displacement 505 Sleep II
@406 Guarding II #906 Fire Bolt *506 Haste I
407 Word of Opening #907 Cold Ball @507 Deflection
408 Word of Disarming #908 Fire Ball @508 Spell Bending
#409 Essence Blast 909 Tremors *509 Strength
410 Essence Wave #910 Lightning Bolt 510 Unpain
*411 Essence Blade @911 Mass Blur 511 Floating Disk
*412 Blade Turn 912 Call Wind 512 Slow II
413 Vulnerability #913 Death Cloud 513 Sleep III
@414 Guarding III #914 Firestorm *514 Haste II
#415 Essence Strike #915 Weapon Fire *515 Rapid Fire
416 Piercing Gaze @916 Invisibility !516 Charge Wand
417 Dispel Magic #917 Boil Earth !517 Charge Staff
418 Gather Flows 918 Duplicate !@518 Bravery True
@419 Mass Guarding @919 Wizard's Shield 519 Sleep True
420 Imbed Spell 920 Call Familiar !520 Calm Dragon
*425 True Strike 925 Enchant True !@525 Mist Form
!@430 Guarding True !930 Unknown !530 Word of Calling
!450 Flow Riding !950 Unknown !550 Dragon Control

Notes: Mage spell 930 and 950 must be discovered by the advanced mage.
They are Unknown to all at this time.

@ = Spells that add to target's defensive bonus.
# = Spells that can cause CP damage to the target.
* = Spells that increase the targets offensive ability.
! = Spell is not implemented at this time.
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''>>For 502 how about something that would help low level wizards out when trying to fry hunting as...a wizard instead of a warmage.''
''>>elemental empowerment. You have a small chance when casting minor shock, acid, water, or fire to instead cast the major version of that same spell.''

I like this idea. Make it refreshable and able to be improved with lores. The bigger the boost provided through lores, the higher the mana cost (to cast 502, not the bolt).
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How about a wand enchantment? Sorta like wizblade or eblade for a wand. It could give +AS to a wand and/or elemental flares? Lores could increase the +AS and/or give it different flares ala the lore review 902 effects. Or instead of flares maybe a chance for a double bolt/ball strike?

It would be helpful for everyone, low level wizards, sorcs/emps/clerics who use wands and even older wizards.
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Or mayhap, just give wands a chance to last longer.

- Metadi

You say, "'Haven's nae sordid... Jes' prone tae cataclysm."
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Or how about: Spell Store allows you to store spells in your runestaff? Hold a runestaff in your right hand and a wand in your left, cast 502 at the wand, and all the charges from your wand get transferred to your runestaff. The wand is consumed in the process.

You can store up to 40 charges in your runestaff. This only works with elemental wands (including minor steam, major cold, and major acid) and you can only store charges from one kind of wand at a time. Use WAVE to activate.
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''>>Or how about: Spell Store allows you to store spells in your runestaff? Hold a runestaff in your right hand and a wand in your left, cast 502 at the wand, and all the charges from your wand get transferred to your runestaff. The wand is consumed in the process.''

''>>You can store up to 40 charges in your runestaff. This only works with elemental wands (including minor steam, major cold, and major acid) and you can only store charges from one kind of wand at a time. Use WAVE to activate.''

I like this idea. I'm not sure what exactly you meant by "elemental wands," but I think it'd be more fun if it could pull the charge from any regular imbeddable with a WAVE activator. Maybe restrict it to the elemental spells, but allow spells beyond bolts and balls. It wouldn't have to go as high as 40 charges, if that would be overpowered.

And use point as the activator: POINT [STAFF] AT [TARGET]. Blammo!

~Denil
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''>>I like this idea. I'm not sure what exactly you meant by "elemental wands," but I think it'd be more fun if it could pull the charge from any regular imbeddable with a WAVE activator. Maybe restrict it to the elemental spells, but allow spells beyond bolts and balls. It wouldn't have to go as high as 40 charges, if that would be overpowered.''
''>>And use point as the activator: POINT [STAFF] AT [TARGET]. Blammo!''
''>>~Denil''

I was just thinking about wands you find in the treasure system; but yeah, it should work with all wands/rods whether treasure-found, alchemy-made or imbedded. It would be restricted to elemental spells, though.

If 40 is overpowered, maybe the number of charges could be scaled by the amount of mana the spell takes to cast. For example, spells 6 mana and below could be stored for up to 40 charges. Spells 7 to 12 mana could be stored for up to 20 charges, and spells 13-20 mana could be stored for up to 12 charges.
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''>>>If 40 is overpowered, maybe the number of charges could be scaled by the amount of mana the spell takes to cast. For example, spells 6 mana and below could be stored for up to 40 charges. Spells 7 to 12 mana could be stored for up to 20 charges, and spells 13-20 mana could be stored for up to 12 charges.<<

Loving this idea! It kinda like duplicate, kinda like enchant, kinda like charge item. I think it fits with theme.

and perhaps we could eventualy see auction items and weapons that can be 502ed as well.





Ack! Scarab!
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''>Or how about: Spell Store allows you to store spells in your runestaff? Hold a runestaff in your right hand and a wand in your left, cast 502 at the wand, and all the charges from your wand get transferred to your runestaff. The wand is consumed in the process''

I would probably guess that this would fall into the auction quality type of deal. Granted, I think it'd be pretty fun and freely admit runestaves need some love.


-farmer

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That's just what we want, criss-crossing furrows all over the town streets from someone wandering through with their animated plow super buddy.-Strath
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I think having 502 be a "902 for wands" is the best idea yet. +15 AS for the wand in question. It would help low level mages out a lot, just like 902 does. I don't know how often pure mages use wands at higher levels but I imagine it's not often at all, so the +15 wouldn't really affect bolt DS balance issues.

- Matt, Gondains' player.
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-- A 902 for wands would also help out other pures that use wands for hunting.

-- Runestave Bonding. For the runestaff buff idea, maybe it could work sort of like the paladin weapon bonding spell thingie. Of course not as powerful, but it would get better as you gain more major elemental ranks. Maybe give it a return to hand style function much later. It could add spell aim to start, which would rise with spell ranks/lores. Maybe other stuffs.

p.s. Yes I know its a level 2 spells, which is why i've been making the point about lores/spell ranks/levels giving the goods.

-- Summon Staff. Maybe it could summon an elemental runestaff sort of like a sonic weapon. One that couldn't be disarmed and would rise in enchant with ranks/levels/lores.

-- Runestaff Enchantment. Perhaps it could be cast on a runestaff and give you effects based on the enchant of the runestaff, ie more SA, CS, DS, etc. It would give an incentive for people to use/enchant runestaves above the basic 4x (since there's not much point now). I don't mean it would perma enchant a runestaff, just a time based buff.
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''>>Really old wizard spell list (proposal?)<

I enjoyed reading that.
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I'd combine the runestaff storage idea and the bolt level enhancement idea. 502 consumes an iron wand (or other Minor Shock WAVE imbed), then POINT RUNESTAFF AT [target] will cast Major Shock.

Consume a gold wand and get 908. Hrm...do we have any other wand spells that are Minor bolts with implemented Major counterparts? Is there a Major Steam?

(For that matter, is 908 really superior to slender blue wands?)

Anywho, I see that as being a major boon to low level wizards without terribly upsetting the upper levels.

~ Lumi
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''>>(For that matter, is 908 really superior to slender blue wands?)''

Do you mean 907 (Major Cold)? If so, it depends. Slender blue wands work on some cold critters like skeletal ice trolls and cold guardians, whereas 907 heals them.

But when it comes to fighting critters that are susceptible to cold, 907 wins hands down. 907 is to fire creatures as 908 is to trolls. Slender blue wands just hurl a single chunk of ice at the critter. 907 blossoms, gives you a double hit, ''and'' can hit multiple critters.
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Did we drastically adjust the DF for blue wands?

I thought at one time it was lightning (major shock), blue wand (chunk ice), stone fist (rock), 906, 907/8, etc, etc.

Those blue wands might 'only' put out a chunk of ice, but if you didn't have 10 mana, that wand would usually put a gaping hole in whatever you were waving it at. Usually far more damaging than 907 ever was, even with blooming, blasting, tripling effects.

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Honestly, I'd rather have a Major Acid wand because acid works on everything. It even wrecks the stuff on the Basalt Flats almost as well as 907 does. Unless I'm in Icemule, I also prefer Major Cold to Minor Cold (the spell in the slender blue wand). That's because I don't ever use cold spells on anything except fire critters. At this point, I duplicate and sell any slender blue wands I come across. This may be because my wizard's in Voln and many (most?) undead are immune to cold.
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''>Did we drastically adjust the DF for blue wands? - Doug''


Major Cold (907)
Critical Damage Type: Cold/Ice

Minor Cold (1709) Slender Blue Wand
Critical Damage Type: Impact or Cold/Ice

Minor Cold will do either impact or cold crits. I don't know the ratio, but it seems from the little bit of research I did that 1709 is heavily weighted toward impact crits. So, the wands will be somewhat effective against cold immune targets.

Impact:
You wave your blue wand at a zombie.
1d100: 73 + Modifiers: 174 == 247

You hurl a chunk of ice at a zombie!
AS: +237 vs DS: +118 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +37 = +185
... and hit for 41 points of damage!
Strong blow to right hand breaks it!

Cold:
You wave your blue wand at a zombie.
1d100: 27 + Modifiers: 173 == 200

You hurl a chunk of ice at a zombie!
AS: +237 vs DS: +103 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +41 = +204
The zombie shrugs off the cold.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

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Armor Group:ClothLeatherScaleChainPlateDamage Factor (907):.445.350.245.217.208Damage Factor (1709):.667.460.385.375.355
AsG:1567891011121314151617181920AvDs (907):6555545352454341394036322835292317AvDs (1709):4540393837353331294036322830241812
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''>Telekinetic Disarm. I think that was judged to invite more abuse than it was worth.''

Except that it didn't work on other players, therefore no potential for abuse.

I always thought they took it from us to give to Savants.

Immolate > Telekinetic Disarm anyway.
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''> I always thought they ''

Sort of true.

''>Immolate > Telekinetic Disarm''

Er, no. TeleDis had very distinct and useful purposes.

Had it been my call, I'd have left TeleDis in place (perhaps changing the flavor a bit to not step on Savant toes), and made Immolate one attack type from Cone.

Fire mage - cone == immolate
Air mage - cone == vacuum
Water mage - cone == flash flood
Earth mage - cone == Stalagmite

And lightening would only be available to those arch-magi who had not aligned.

:)

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''>Er, no. TeleDis had very distinct and useful purposes.''

The only "use" I ever had with Telekinetic Disarm other than recovering someone's disarmed weapon was so I could run around with those cool looking 6x shield-staves that eidolons run around with. Since they crumble, 519 was the only way to get one in your hand. Of course, you couldn't do anything else with it, like put it away.

What are these fabled purposes you speak of?
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Ooo. I'm going to go disarm one now. As long as the creature is still alive, it should be fine.


~ Nuadjha, the Briar Fox

You inhale deeply upon your pipe, puckering your lips as you send out three rings of smoke before you, then puff out a small vine of smoke that darts right through all three which causes them to disperse in a hazy shroud!
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''>Ooo. I'm going to go disarm one now. As long as the creature is still alive, it should be fine.''

Yep it'll work that way now. Pretty sure it wasn't like that back in the day though. I remember slapping those crumbly weapons away from critters after they dropped them so that they couldn't pick them back up.
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I frequently employed a similar tactic in the stronghold. Those stone mattocks or mauls or whatever they were are no joke. They didn't work on the stone mastiffs, because they weren't enchanted, but they beat everything else up in a hurry.



"The abuse of greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power" - William Shakespeare
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I'm not sure if that is a quote from me, Methias. But it is something I have said in the past, and it is something I believe strongly. I miss telekinetic disarm.

There are a number of creatures that it is surprisingly good to disarm. The one you might have the most relevant experience with is the pyro and shards.

If you can see the relative use of taking the sharding capability of the glaes club from the pyro, then you should be able to fairly easily extend the exercise to creatures with lances that charge, creatures with hurling weapons if you cannot muster the DS (this could be true of ranged weapons, too -- but timing would be tricky. Doesn't do a lot of good to keep stripping the arrow / bolt).

Anything coming at you with a feras weapon that you survive the first touch from.

Polearms in general especially from the creatures that show a tendency to want to trip up their targets.

The list goes on.

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Some of my items that ive charged up wont activate. Anyone know whats up with that? 405 says it has a spell of known origin.
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Type: Attack

Using the elemental powers of Earth, the Wizard is able to conjure a massive stone fist. This fist will grab on to the enemy, leaving it rooted where it stands, and hampering combat. The Wizard may then direct the stone fist to weaken the foe into submission, enabling him to attack with the final blow.

While held by one stone fist, targets are immune to additional casts of the spell. After the initial 14 mana cast, the fist remains linked to the caster's hand. Using various hand gestures, the caster can command the fist to act. These commands require additional mana and are subject to the rules of normal casting. To invoke an action, it must be targeted at the foe held by the caster's stone fist.


I'm curious as to the nature of the "rooting where it stands, hampering combat" bit. I've been using Stonefist for grins and after they fail warding I sure do not see any diminished combat ability. As I type this, I wondering if there is a DS pushdown? At any rate, its definitely no web bolt, bind, etc. The spell is clunky, but i don't mind the extra steps for attack too much. . . especially if the stone fist surrounding them actually hampered their attempts at attacking me. In what manner is this spell disabling/hampering critters or is it not working as intended?

Stone Skin: I've 100 ranks of earth lore currently. (late night fixskills/whimsical training change). Anyhow, I've only ever seen the "thick layer of stone" from casting the spell, nothing higher, no matter how many times i cast it. I could get the same effect at tons lower elemental earth lore just by casting the spell a few times. Is this spell working as intended?

Thanks,

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Stone Skin: I've 100 ranks of earth lore currently. (late night fixskills/whimsical training change). Anyhow, I've only ever seen the "thick layer of stone" from casting the spell, nothing higher, no matter how many times i cast it. I could get the same effect at tons lower elemental earth lore just by casting the spell a few times. Is this spell working as intended?




I believe Major Elemental Training is the only factor in determining your Stone Skin thickness at present. At least this has been my experience.

-- Faulkil
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''>Stone Skin: I've 100 ranks of earth lore currently. (late night fixskills/whimsical training change). Anyhow, I've only ever seen the "thick layer of stone" from casting the spell, nothing higher, no matter how many times i cast it. I could get the same effect at tons lower elemental earth lore just by casting the spell a few times. Is this spell working as intended?''

MjE spell ranks determine the top end of the thickness scale and Earth Lore brings up the bottom end of the scale. So, yes it is working as intended. Training in more Earth Lore as you stated just gets you the better thickness without having to cast more than once.
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When using the charge item spell, do the same factors enter into success as the enchant item spell? IE,is it best done in a workshop, familar present, unencumbered etc., or will you have equal success doing it in TSC for example, with no special factors present?


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From my notes (and from Krakii) on 517 - Charge Item:

- Being in a workshop increases the chance of a successful cast.
- Encumberance may hinder you chance of success (need to test this out, maybe on my next trip back to Icemule).
- Having a familiar present (or not present) is not a factor.
- Value of the gem will influence how long your charging sphere lasts.

- Training in MjE and MIU will affect chance of success/severity of failure.
- Training in EMC will decrease the mana required for charging a spell down to its base mana cost.

-- Faulkil

Much to your horror, a devastating inferno of flaming rocks ignite the entire sky and smite the area!
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''>>Training in EMC will decrease the mana required for charging a spell down to its base mana cost.<< ''
I have noticed that the mana cost also seems to depend on what spell realm the item being charged contains; it looks as though the further away from elemental, the greater the mana needed. I have only tried charging small statues and blue crystals so far; the crystals took more mana. Statues are from the arcane spell circle, while blue crystals are spell 117, MnS.



The bells of Hell
go ting-a-ling-a-ling
for you but not for me
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You should review the info about charge item on Krakiipedia at http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Charge_Item

-- Robert

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Make it a flare adding spell, basically the flare portion of 411. Something that can stack with 902. I don't see is as OP at all and it is far better than the uselessness of the 502 we currently have.

~James
Player of Septimius
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While I'm not opposed to scrapping the current spell entirely, I've been giving some thought to trying to make 502 useful along the lines of its original intent.

I would make the duration of the ability RECALL a spell initially short (maybe 2 minutes) with the ability to extend it out to about 10 minutes based on training ranks related to the spell being stored (Wizard ranks for wizard spells, Major Elemental ranks for Major Elemental spells, etc).



Duration: Special

Type: Utility

Often times the outcome of a battle is determined by who can react first. Because the wizard often is hindered by lengthy gestures and chants, Spell Store has become an invaluable first strike weapon.

After casting this spell, the caster can then cast any of his or her other spells which will be prepared and stored away in such a way that it can be instantly recalled and cast. The spell to be stored must be cast within 30 seconds after Spell Store. Mana for the stored spell is expended up front as all of the preparations are completed in advance except for the final step of casting the spell.

To recall a stored spell the caster need only use RECALL and then CAST the spell. No additional mana will be expended or time required due to the advanced preparations taken.

Note: Although spell store does hold a spell for a long time, it does not do so forever; the exact time when this fails depends on the caster's activity.

Example:

''>incant 502''
You recite a series of mystical phrases while raising your hands, invoking Spell Store...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
You feel the magic surge through you.
(If you prepare a spell in the next 30 seconds, it will be stored.)
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

''>prepare major fire''
Your hands glow with power as you invoke the phrase for Major Fire...
Your spell is prepared and ready to release. [Spell is stored and ready to cast. Use RECALL to cast within the next 10 minutes].
Roundtime 3 seconds.

''>prep 901''
Your hands glow with power as you invoke the phrase for Minor Shock...
Your spell is ready.
''>cast at stone''
You gesture at a pink rhodochrosite stone.
Nothing happens.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

''>RECALL''
Energies for the Major Fire spell rush to the forefront of your mind ready to be unleashed.

''>cast at stone''
Prepared in advance, you release the energies of your Major Fire spell with a single thought.
You gesture at a pink rhodochrosite stone.
You hurl a roaring ball of fire at a pink rhodochrosite stone!
The rhodochrosite stone glows with a warm aura then quickly cools off.
Cast Roundtime 0 Seconds.

-- Faulkil
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Duration: 20 minutes

Type: Utility

There are times, in the heat of battle, where mana becomes a premium. One may not immediately have access to all of his or her magical resources due to this.

Using Spell Store, a Wizard can prepare a spell, invest its mana, and store the spell in the back of his or her mind for later use. Using the verb RECALL, the Wizard will immediately have the spell in a prepared state again, but will not incur a mana cost upon using it. The Wizard can use as many spells as desired while keeping a spell in Spell Store.

Training in Elemental Mana Control will allow a Wizard to store additional instances of the same spell. An additional cast is available at 20 ranks, 50 ranks, and every 50 after that, for a maximum 6 casts at 200 ranks.

Spells invoked from foreign Spell Circles can be stored, but incur a penalty, which is offset by training in the Major Elemental Circle. The default chance to succeed is 50%, with an additional +2% success for every rank of MjE, reaching 100% at rank 27.

Training in Elemental Lore will allow select Elemental spells a chance to be have their "charge" used when cast in such a manner. For instance, a Wizard trained in Fire Lore storing the Spell Immolation may find that upon using it, his understanding of the intricacies of the spell allows it to be RECALLed a second time, without preparation. This chance is based on SEED 6 of the summation chart, with 1% chance at Rank 6, finishing at 15% chance at 195 ranks in Elemental Lore.

Usage: Prepare and cast Spell Store. For 30 seconds, any spell prepared will be stored, and incur the standard mana cost immediately. RECALL will bring the spell back to the mind of the Wizard, and casting the spell will cost no mana.



All the specifics are just ideas for general concepts. The lore benefits and additional gains for the spell are just concepts, subject to as much change or even removal as the GMs see fit. I just felt that I might make this suggestion.
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Neat idea. Doesn't take away from what Spell Store already does, but makes it much more useful.
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I remember always thinking spell store was rather useless.

This idea is great. :)
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Or maybe let the recalled spell to be cast without cast RT as well as for no mana. This would allow some interesting possibilities. For instance, you could store major cold and macro recalling and casting immediately followed by incanting fire for an instant ice/fire combo to shatter stone creatures. Or just a good way to front-load a big hit. It'd definitely get used a lot more!

~Taverkin
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^ This

Or have it let the next spell cast cost 0 mana, with a 30-60 second cooldown or something, at least on spells above X level.

Having no cooldown for spells under a certain level would help low level mages out drastically, and having a cooldown for higher level spells would help when you need to squeeze out just one more cast but don't have enough mana for it, making it useful for everybody without being overpowered.

Or if you want to make it more fun, make it a warding spell that will make the critter attack itself on the next round. Shuffle around some spell slots (504, 512, etc.) if needed if a level 2 slot is too low for that. This would be mostly just for lulz.

If it were up to me, I'd make 502 a cross realm teleport spell with no reagents or cost or cooldown associated with it. Just let us fly everywhere. Not OP. Not OP at all.

~ Methais
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Ok, I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here. Actually, 3 cents since I have 3 things I would like to see.

1. change 502 into another bolt spell, since the 500 sphere only has 2 natural bolt spells (510 & 518). If you want to get technical, it can have 3, but 505 is not a natural bolt spell. What I would prefer to see is another earthly bolt spell, since 510 is the only bolt spell that deals with the earth sphere that a wizard can cast. you could even make it a pure elemental bolt spell that is influenced by either A.) your attuned element or B.) your highest trained elemental sphere. in essence, it could be 5 different spells in one, however each wizard would get a different spell dependent on their training/attuned element. i've been waiting for something like this ever since i read "and access to spells that are not available to those ignorant of the secrets of <element> magic." (pulled from http://www.play.net/gs4/info/skills.asp#elemlore)

2.) if it must stay as some sort of spell store, why not make it a powersink? after casting, prepare the next spell and infuse more mana into the spell, creating a stronger version of the spell at a greater mana cost. Similar to 117, but instead of increasing AS it increases the damage factor depending on the amount of mana sunk into it. Granted, we are always trying to find ways to conserve our mana, but i think having a bigger damage factor like this can at least come in handy for things such as invasions, kill dangerous creature bounty, grimswarms, or if something higher level wanders into your hunting area.

3. I would love to see 550 be a spell that turns the caster into an elemental being, greatly increasing that element's power but making the caster susceptible to the converse element (such as fire/ice). there are plenty of ways to keep casters from staying elemental, such as losing access to spells while in the form, permanently destroying armor/runestaff, destroying items worn, losing items in containers, berserking (becoming stuck in offensive), draining mana/stamina ... i could go on ... and plenty of benefits that could be added on for being in elemental form. since we are made to be masters of the elements, let us be masters of them. it's not much different than assume aspect, but i think it could be quite an interesting addition for both role players and power hunters.

All of these would work perfectly for the major elemental circle. Again, just my 3 cents.
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Why not blend the two ideas and kill off a few redundant spells while we're at it. I see no reason why it needs to be placed in the 502 slot either. Kill 502, but also kill all single-cast natural bolts. Consolidate them into a single spell. Likewise consolidate ball spells into a single spell. And expand the cone functionality.

Here's the idea:

901 - Elemental bolt

Usage: prepare/incant 901/elemental bolt <Element Name> <# of additional mana from 0-9 points>

Element types would of course include the basic elements currently available to wizards, but could be expanded via lore training to include more exotic elemental types. For instance, combination water/fire lore could unlock steam as an element. A certain amount of fire lore could unlock plasma. And so on.

The amount of additional mana allowed could perhaps be linked to harness power/EMC skill in such a way as to create a clear progression over time. No more giving 10 mana spells to characters with only 30 mana available to use! But as a tradeoff for this limitation DF could be made variable. The idea here is that DF is linked to trained skill thresholds such that the cost for the same DF is higher as you gain levels, but your potential damage ceiling is also higher. The maximum cost of elemental bolt would be 10 mana, but it would be far more flexible in that it would allow any element to produce results similar to 910/510. At the low end you should be able to spend relatively small amounts of mana to produce better results. This should be matched to realistic expectations for mana so that we aren't starving our young wizards and forcing them to swing a weapon for their introductory period as is often the case today. And like it is now, I don't expect a high level wizard would always wish to spend the maximum amount of mana. Sometimes 5 or 6 mana will do. It depends upon the target! This spell has all the flexibility we need.

Now apply the same thing to ball spells. A single spell that allows the wizard to choose an element, with additional lore unlocks, and variable DF based upon trained skills.

And maybe cone spells. But you may wish to consider placing some skill requirements on additional targets and perhaps a cooldown to avoid the issue of too many cones in too short a time during events! Please don't use MOC. Make it a lore requirement perhaps. Base number of targets, increased by lores, with the advantage of being able to choose your preferred element.

I also like the idea of being able to temporarily boost AS with these spells. It'd perhaps be a nice touch for a lore unlock with a cooldown. You can use the boost if you have sufficient skill in the element you're using, but then you can't use the boost again for a short period of time. That shouldn't be too powerful. It'll just help when you have a particularly tough target. And the cost is appropriate.

~Taverkin
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Also, if you do make this idea reality, how about some saved settings so you can set mana/element for future use?

~Taverkin
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Add to this list a Mass Slow option for 504, or at least a multi-target version.
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Yeah, 504 isn't all that useful against a solitary opponent. You're usually better off using a killing or disabling spell. But against multiple opponents and in combination with RT-inducing CC, a mass version of slow could be a far more useful spell. You'd definitely see a lot more use of this spell!

~Taverkin
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Slow should cause an initial RT when cast on a target.

502 should either make the next spell cast either be free or have reduced mana cost. Or either make your next spell double cast, or grant a buff that gives you X chance for your spells to double cast, and the buff goes away when a double cast occurs.

502 is so useless right now that it could be changed to restore 1 mana at the cost of 2 mana and it would still be more useful than it is now.

~ Methais
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Spell store would be nice if it actually banked a spell so that you could cast several at once. Initial value of 1 extra, eventually leading to 2 or 3 extra plus your first.
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As for another improvement idea, why not make a pre-cast spell that makes your bolt MUCH harder to evade/block/parry? I doubt the EVP system was designed to screw over bolters, as there is no such balancing act for warding based magic. There would be a cost associated with the spell, whatever is appropriate without being excessive. 502 seems as good a slot as any.

Prep 502, then prep the bolt spell you wish to enhance. When you cast the bolt, an added cost appropriate to the level of bolt along with whatever training you have to mitigate it is factored into the final tally of the spell.

Simple, useful, and not overpowered. No worries about upsetting creature balance as they wouldn't be casting this spell at players.
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Could 511 be updated so that it doesn't automatically eat the gem in your hand but instead require you to cast AT the gem to do that coloured disk effect? I sadly keep losing random gems because I forgot I had it in my hand. This time it was a rift black diamond that I didn't shove back in my pouch before realizing I forgot to cast a disk. :/
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Would it be possible to implement a store mana spell that could be cast at a familiar, like sorcerers can do with their demons?

~Shi'larra
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hey, spell store is useful for me. especially when I know my favorite sheruvian cleric is lurking. =0
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I noticed that when I eat haste edibles, the duration is 2 minutes, but when I cast haste, it ends up lasting just over a minute. Is this a change, esp. WRT the haste edibles?

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http://www.gsguide.net/index.php?title=Taakhooshi
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Sleep, 501, has been updated for the ELR. A seed 1 summation of Elemental Lore, Air provides for a chance for the target to be groggy (-20 AS/DS and 2 second slow) when (or if!) they wake up. The grogginess lasts for 10 seconds.

That is all.

Ixix
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Details on 'the chance' please?

Doug
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To be clear on this the seed summation is a percent value 1% per seed rank? And also, I assume its based on ranks, not bonus...but can you clarify that?
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The percentage chance of the sleeper waking up groggy is the seed 1 summation of the caster's EL:A ranks. You will see messaging that indicates when somebody or something wakes up groggy.

Ixix
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Yes, I got that.

So what we're saying is ''0% base chance'', increasing a percentage point on Seed 1 Summation, to maximum bonus of 24 (perhaps 25) percent.

Accurate?

Doug
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Yes.

Ixix
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Gratzie a mille!

Doug
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Can we sleepwalk and talk about random mostly unintelligible babble if we cast Sleep on ourselves? Similar to the babbling you do when you drink too much death rum, but you'll walk around doing it. Like a zombie.

If not, I'll settle for self cast sleep invoking old school Symbol of Dreams as an appropriate consolation.

~ Methais
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If the target was intoxicated when we put them to sleep can the chance for grogginess be doubled and the result be 'hangover' instead of 'grogginess'? (-20AS/-20DS and subject to stun/rage/fleeing from load noises and bright lights)?

Like this change!

-- Robert

"All wizards are beginners; some of us have just been beginning longer!"
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Nice little perk on sleep, thanks!

Just an elf about town...
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So if I understand correctly,

501 the target, then attack it and it will have additional -20 AS/DS ontop of being offensive, and prone (-50 DS)?
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I think prone/offensive is as good as it ever gets.

After it wakes up/stands up, that's when you'll see the lingering -20 effect, to simulate it still being mildly under the influence.
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I kinda wish they would reduce the cost and/or the threshold for success. The fact that you need a +130 to put the target to sleep and the variable mana cost makes this a pretty expensive spell for the effect. You're almost always better off just using a spell like ewave or call wind (if you need the stance change).

~Taverkin
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Especially since it's single target compared to those other disablers which will handle the whole room. I'd like to see the mana cost max out at around 5 or 6.

I kinda wish we had this effect when warding between 100-125. As when the spell actually lands, the aftermath is usually pretty swift in my favor. But warding at 110 gets me nowhere.


Also I notice they have no problem making drastic changes downward but all these lore effects thus far seem extremely timid. 10% proc rates to effects that are marginal to begin with. 200 ranks for 20% chance? That's a big meh. You could make it 100% and this effect would still be inferior to our other disable spells.


And this is from someone who kinda likes sleep! I use it when I can because I think it's cool, but it is often an inferior choice.
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lulz once again this is not a spell review... it's lore review.. which means they're trying not to change the spells fundamentals at all. Don't get your hopes up...
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?? I'm not asking for a spell review. But having the lore contribute in a meaningful way seems like that would fit into the realm of ELR. Lore making a spell better is the point right? Froo froo stuff that never makes any difference... I guess I just don't see the point.
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Maybe I should pose it as question. If the creature wakes up from sleeping to being stunned in prone (ie: slept, then crit), will the DS be further suppressed by 20?
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Yes, the grogginess is separate from and can stack with any other status effect type penalties that might be applied to a critter (or you). As long as you see the new messaging, the penalties should be applied and in effect.

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I'd like to see it have some buff if I'm under hunting a bit. At same level stick with groggy as it is now, but lose 1% for each level above and gain 1% for each level below. Something along those lines along with the Lore perk.

Just an elf about town...
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Hi everybody! (Skip down to == MECHANICS == if you don't want to read my ramblings)

This is not a water lore update, in fact it's not any kind of a lore update! That's right, you heard me. There are NO LORE ADDITIONS in today's spell update, but have no fear, I'm still doing something as watery as I can... So, let's talk Ice Patch. It makes patches of ice (Appropriately named) that make things hilariously fall to the ground so that everyone around can have a good laugh. Humor is great, but let's make it even better! Every once in a while you might find yourself mucking around in a bog, eyeing your destination and thinking to yourself, "If only I could just hop up and walk right over this bog I wouldn't have to get my robes dirty..." Wouldn't that be great?!

Have I got the thing for you!

== MECHANICS ==

The surface of water can now be frozen when Ice Patch is cast, which will mimic the Water Walking (112) spell for that one room. This affect applies to all players as long as the ice patch is in the room (Not just the caster or the caster's group, although keep in mind that ice patches don't last very long once the caster is gone).

Additionally, the targeted version of the spell was updated to instantly deal cold critical damage. The purpose of this is to hopefully make the setup of using Minor Cold less clunky for water mages.

Questions? Comments? Love? Hate? CANDY? All of those things are welcome.

(Note: I'm not going to give a list of rooms that this affects. Try it out and see. If you do find areas that aren't affected by this that you think should be, let me know!)

~ Konacon
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Wow, no lore changes just...better?

Sounds good!
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Is this intentional? The messaging seems contradictory to the ineffectual result.

You intone a phrase of elemental power while raising your hands, invoking Ice Patch...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at an imposing fire giant champion.
An airy mist quickly gathers around an imposing fire giant champion.
CS: +554 - TD: +438 + CvA: +25 + d100: +18 == +159
Warding failed!
The mist leaves the entire lower half of an imposing fire giant champion's body encased in a thick block of ice.
... 15 points of damage!
A frosty blow to the neck. Bet that smarts!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
''>rel''
You feel the magic of your spell rush away from you.
''>inc 904''
An imposing fire giant champion points a flaming hand at you!
An imposing fire giant champion hurls a roaring ball of fire at you!
AS: +419 vs DS: +765 with AvD: +59 + d100 roll: +38 = -249
A clean miss.
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Can I walk between the Landing and Teras? I JAYKAY...

I love updates like these the most, oddly. Environmental interaction FTW.



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''>The surface of water can now be frozen when Ice Patch is cast, which will mimic the Water Walking (112) spell for that one room. This affect applies to all players as long as the ice patch is in the room (Not just the caster or the caster's group, although keep in mind that ice patches don't last very long once the caster is gone).''

Excuse me if I'm missing the obvious, but how exactly does this help when one has to walk INTO the room first to cast the spell, when the purpose behind using water walking is to counteract the environmental effects of the room BEFORE entry? For example, if I'm walking on the EN trail and go through the swamp, this means the wizard will have to be the one to suffer the RT in each swamp room, then cast ice patch for any followers? This seems useless, as everyone in the party will have to wait out the same RT in any case for the wizard to move ahead for each step.
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== MECHANICS ==The surface of water can now be frozen when Ice Patch is cast, which will mimic the Water Walking (112) spell for that one room. This affect applies to all players as long as the ice patch is in the room (Not just the caster or the caster's group, although keep in mind that ice patches don't last very long once the caster is gone).Additionally, the targeted version of the spell was updated to instantly deal cold critical damage. The purpose of this is to hopefully make the setup of using Minor Cold less clunky for water mages.Questions? Comments? Love? Hate? CANDY? All of those things are welcome.(Note: I'm not going to give a list of rooms that this affects. Try it out and see. If you do find areas that aren't affected by this that you think should be, let me know!)~ Konacon

How about a self-cast version that mimics 112 for a standard spell duration? With losing haste, this would be a nice addition when walking through swamps. Having to cast it in every single swamp room (On the trail from WL to EN for example) is clunky.
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I could see it being useful in maelstrom bay if you have the mana and just want to waste it. Personally, swimming would probably be cheaper than recasting every room...but since its a free upgrade its all good. Say, would this mean you could drag a body through some of the watery isolated areas that were undraggable before...Like Maelstrom Bay?

also if it could be a floating iceburg you could ride...Booyah! I have a magic Island...neener neener!

Tell familiar drag island north. Get to work minion!
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I'm pretty sure you suffer the effects when trying to leave the room. So you can enter each room, cast the spell, then move on to the next room without suffering the effects.

-- Robert

"All wizards are beginners; some of us have just been beginning longer!"
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''> Is this intentional? The messaging seems contradictory to the ineffectual result.''

This is a fair point. The messaging "The mist leaves the entire lower half of an imposing fire giant champion's body encased in a thick block of ice." is indicating the root effect being applied to the target and is completely separate from the damage that the spell does. Do you think it should be messaged after the damage rather than before to read better?

~ Konacon
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This is a fair point. The messaging "The mist leaves the entire lower half of an imposing fire giant champion's body encased in a thick block of ice." is indicating the root effect being applied to the target and is completely separate from the damage that the spell does. Do you think it should be messaged after the damage rather than before to read better?

~ Konacon>>

Might be better if you indicate something like additional shards of ice erupt from the ground striking ... for x damage.
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Maybe it just shouldn't do anything more than effect the legs/abdomen/back with the ice critical damage...

I am curious what happens if the ice critical happens to cause a crit that comes with knockdown, but the ice encasing it... mindsplosion





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''>Do you think it should be messaged after the damage rather than before to read better?''

Yes, that would definitely read better.
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I wonder if this would mitigate the environmental hazards around Teras where you occasionally slip through the crust on the lava flows...

''>> also if it could be a floating iceburg you could ride...Booyah! I have a magic Island...neener neener!''

And yeah, creating a floating iceburg that you could sail/row you and your group across the bay would be super awesome. Make it so Konacon!

-- Robert

"All wizards are beginners; some of us have just been beginning longer!"
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''>I'm pretty sure you suffer the effects when trying to leave the room. So you can enter each room, cast the spell, then move on to the next room without suffering the effects.''

This isn't true.

''>This is a fair point. The messaging "The mist leaves the entire lower half of an imposing fire giant champion's body encased in a thick block of ice." is indicating the root effect being applied to the target and is completely separate from the damage that the spell does. Do you think it should be messaged after the damage rather than before to read better?''

My point was that the messaging implied the creature was somehow immobilized, while that wasn't the case as it immediately attempted an attack. Also, the damage seems exceptionally small for a 159 endroll, especially on a fire creature that has the largest vulnerability to cold damage.
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