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Posts relating to [[bolt]] and ball spells. Ball spells are a subset of bolt spells and so bolt spell information will also apply to them.
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==Bolt Spells==
{{saved-post
| category = Magic Spells and Systems
| topic = Magic Systems
| messagenum = 1167
| author = GS4-ESTILD
| date = 01/15/2016 02:56 PM EST
| subject = [[CHANNEL]]ed Bolts
}}Bolts may now be CHANNELed. Doing so imposes a 3 second hard [[roundtime]] in exchange for a higher chance of hitting a vital area and subjects the attack to less [[crit randomization]]. The RT imposed by CHANNELing cannot be mitigated by any haste effect.

GameMaster Estild

{{saved-post
| category = Magic Spells and Systems
| topic = Magic Systems
| messagenum = 1167
| author = GS4-ESTILD
| date = 01/15/2016 02:56 PM EST
| subject = Re: CHANNELed Bolts
}}:OBSERVER
:''Could we please be given some hard info on the benefit of channeling bolts? Seeing the benefit in real numbers may help lessen the blow to some of the other changes being made. Any additional information would be appreciated.''

When a bolt is CHANNELed, the chance to hit every location is the same at 7% and the crit randomization floor is decreased by 1-2 ranks (depending on the actual crit). For the sake of comparison, the previous chance to hit something like the eye was significantly lower than that.

GameMaster Estild

{{saved-post
| category = Magic Spells and Systems
| topic = Magic Systems
| messagenum = 1204
| author = GS4-ESTILD
| date = 01/21/2016 11:35 AM EST
| subject = Re: CHANNELed Bolts
}}To provide some additional details to illustrate the strength of a channeled bolt:

When you CAST/EVOKE a bolt, it has a little over 16% chance to hit the eyes, head, or neck. A channeled bolt has over a 30% chance. Most of those locations will also result in a crit kill for ranks as low as 5 or 6. While it will take 7+ against the chest, abdomen, or back.

In addition, when you CAST/EVOKE a bolt, if it's determined to be a rank 9 critical wound, crit randomization can lower that all the way down to a rank 5 (typically non-lethal against vital spots). If you CHANNEL the same bolt (for the same rank 9 crit), crit randomization won't lower it less than a rank 7 (typically lethal against vital spots).

GameMaster Estild

==DF Changes==
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| category = Magic Spells and Systems
| topic = Magic Systems
| messagenum = 976
| author = GS4-KONACON
| date = 09/15/2015 12:54 PM EDT
| subject = ELR - DF Lore For Bolts!
}}Hi everybody! No shenanigans today because there is a LOT to cover. I promise we can have shenanigans later if you want. :)

'''MECHANICS'''

* Minor Acid (904) and Major Acid (1710) now have their DFs increased similar to 901/910, using Elemental Lore, Earth and Elemental Lore, Water.
* Minor Steam (1707) now has its DF increased similar to 901/910, using Elemental Lore, Fire and Elemental Lore, Water.
** This means the increase is .001 per two ranks for the first 100 ranks and .001 per four ranks for ranks 101 to 200.

* Tonis Bolt (505) no longer subtracts the first 20 ranks of air lore from its DF increase calculation. It's been standardized to how other DF increases work.

* Disintegrating Bolt (705) now has its DF increased by Sorcerous Lore, Necromancy.
** The increase is .001 per rank for the first 50 ranks, .001 per two ranks for ranks 51 - 100 and .001 per four ranks for ranks greater than 100.

* Web Bolt (118) now has its DF increased by Spiritual Lore, Summoning.
** The increase is .001 per rank for the first 50 ranks, .001 per two ranks for ranks 51 - 100 and .001 per four ranks for ranks greater than 100.

* Holy Bolt (306) now has its DF increased by Spirital Lore, Religion when the target is undead.
** The increase is .001 per rank for the first 50 ranks, .001 per two ranks for ranks 51 - 100 and .001 per four ranks for ranks greater than 100.

Questions? Comments? Know of a bolt I missed that doesn't have a DF Lore increased? Let me know!

~ Konacon

==Ball Spells==
===2009 Posts===
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| category = Magic Spells and Systems
| category = Magic Spells and Systems
| topic = Minor Spiritual Circle
| topic = Minor Spiritual Circle
| messagenum = 4009
| messagenum = 4009
| author = GS4-ESTILD| date = 11/25/2009 1:49:46 PM
| author = GS4-ESTILD
| date = 11/25/2009 1:49:46 PM
| subject = Re: [[Fire Spirit]] question
| subject = Re: [[Fire Spirit]] question
}}<i>>If your "possible" roll is a 1--even if you have +19 targets added because of [[Spiritual Lore, Summoning|Lore]], so your range is 1-27 targets [rather than the base of 1-8]--then you can have six hundred ranks of [[Multi Opponent Combat|MOC]], and you're still going to hit one target. -Krakii</i>
}}
<i>>If your "possible" roll is a 1--even if you have +19 targets added because of [[Spiritual Lore, Summoning|Lore]], so your range is 1-27 targets [rather than the base of 1-8]--then you can have six hundred ranks of [[Multi Opponent Combat|MOC]], and you're still going to hit one target. -Krakii</i>


Correct.
Correct.


GameMaster Estild<br>
GameMaster Estild
[[Cleric]]/[[Empath]] Team


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| date = 11/25/2009 1:49:46 PM
| subject = Re: [[Fire Spirit]] question
| subject = Re: [[Fire Spirit]] question
}}<i>>Estild, could you (or one of the other GMs) go over to the Krakiipedia page [link is earlier in this thread] and give it the imprimatur of veracity? :) -Krakii</i>
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<i>>Estild, could you (or one of the other GMs) go over to the Krakiipedia page [link is earlier in this thread] and give it the imprimatur of veracity? :) -Krakii</i>


[[Bolt spell|http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Bolt_spell]]
[[Bolt spell|Bolt_spell]]


I only see 3 needed corrections:
I only see 3 needed corrections:
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With 0 lore ranks and 101 ranks of MoC:
With 0 lore ranks and 101 ranks of MoC:
<pre{{log2}}>

Your hands glow with power as you invoke the phrase for Major Fire...<br>
Your hands glow with power as you invoke the phrase for Major Fire...
Your spell is ready.<br>
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a hobgoblin.<br>
You gesture at a hobgoblin.
You hurl a roaring ball of fire at a hobgoblin!<br>
You hurl a roaring ball of fire at a hobgoblin!
:AS: +208 vs DS: -62 with AvD: +70 + d100 roll: +6 = +346
AS: +208 vs DS: -62 with AvD: +70 + d100 roll: +6 = +346
:... and hit for 138 points of damage!
... and hit for 138 points of damage!
:Left leg burned off at the knee. Ouch.<br>
Left leg burned off at the knee. Ouch.
The roaring ball of fire strikes a hobgoblin, blossoming into a much larger sphere of flame upon impact.
The roaring ball of fire strikes a hobgoblin, blossoming into a much larger sphere of flame upon impact.
:... 15 points of damage!
... 15 points of damage!
:Burst of flames to back fries shoulder blades. Youch!<br>
Burst of flames to back fries shoulder blades. Youch!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.


>look<br>
>look
[Estild's Underwater Dome]<br>
[Estild's Underwater Dome]
Various aquatic life forms can be seen swimming in every direction from within the confines of this dome. All that separates the vast amounts of water and the inner environment is a translucent sphere. Numerous multihued cushions cover the floor, offering rest to weary travelers visiting this tranquil habitat. You also see a rolton that appears stunned, a rolton that is lying down, a giant ant, a giant ant, a hobgoblin that appears dead, a hobgoblin that appears stunned, a goblin that appears stunned, a goblin that appears stunned, a giant rat, a giant rat, Mestys's murmaider list and a crystalline scrying pool.<br>
Various aquatic life forms can be seen swimming in every direction from within the confines of this dome. All that separates the vast amounts of water and the inner environment is a translucent sphere. Numerous multihued cushions cover the floor, offering rest to weary travelers visiting this tranquil habitat. You also see a rolton that appears stunned, a rolton that is lying down, a giant ant, a giant ant, a hobgoblin that appears dead, a hobgoblin that appears stunned, a goblin that appears stunned, a goblin that appears stunned, a giant rat, a giant rat, Mestys's murmaider list and a crystalline scrying pool.
Obvious paths: none
Obvious paths: none
</pre>
GameMaster Estild

===2015 Posts===
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| category = Sorcerers
| topic = Sorcerer Spells
| messagenum = 2605
| author = GS4-ESTILD
| date = 04/09/2015 07:07 PM EDT
| subject = Re: Balefire lore/MOC training question
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|VANKRASN39
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|Balefire: How does demonology increase maximum number of targets on splash effect? How does MOC training increase the ability to hit multiple targets?
|}
</center>

The information I've provided in the past ([[ball spell]]) is correct. But here are some additional numbers that all ball explosion spells follow:

Unfortunately, it doesn't follow our standard summation chart, so to calculate the number of increased potential targets you can hit due to lore, you can use the following formula: (1 + sqrt(1 - 8(1 - lore ranks)))/2. To start you out, the thresholds are 1, 2, 4, 7, 11, 16, 22, 29, 37, 46...

Each rank of Multi-Opponent Combat increases the number of targets affected (the second roll) by 1, up to the maximum (the first roll, which can be 0).

GameMaster Estild

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| category = Sorcerers
| topic = Sorcerer Spells
| messagenum = 2614
| author = GS4-ESTILD
| date = 04/10/2015 01:28 PM EDT
| subject = Re: Balefire lore/MOC training question
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{| width="600px" {{prettytable}}
|KARDIOS
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|If I understand correctly, MoC increases the minimum number of targets. For example, if you have 50 lore ranks, you can splash a maximum of 10 targets and a minimum of zero targets. If you have two ranks of MoC, then your range is 2 to 10, instead of 0 to 10.
|}
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Here's the non-elaborate breakdown:

# Random 0 to 8 (weighted toward the low end)
# Add lore bonus to # from step 1
# Random 0 to # from step 2
# Add MoC ranks to # from step 3
# Limit maximum value of # from step 4 to # from step 2

I believe I had previously stated in the past that you could potentially hit 0 targets even with MoC, but now that I'm looking at the code again, I don't believe that's the case. I had even tested it, but due to how the test was done and how the code works, it had given me a result that a player wouldn't be able to reproduce.


GameMaster Estild<br>
GameMaster Estild
Cleric/Empath Team

Latest revision as of 23:24, 16 March 2017

Posts relating to bolt and ball spells. Ball spells are a subset of bolt spells and so bolt spell information will also apply to them.

Bolt Spells

Category: Magic Spells and Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 1167
Author: GS4-ESTILD
Date: 01/15/2016 02:56 PM EST
Subject: CHANNELed Bolts

Bolts may now be CHANNELed. Doing so imposes a 3 second hard roundtime in exchange for a higher chance of hitting a vital area and subjects the attack to less crit randomization. The RT imposed by CHANNELing cannot be mitigated by any haste effect.

GameMaster Estild

Category: Magic Spells and Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 1167
Author: GS4-ESTILD
Date: 01/15/2016 02:56 PM EST
Subject: Re: CHANNELed Bolts
OBSERVER
Could we please be given some hard info on the benefit of channeling bolts? Seeing the benefit in real numbers may help lessen the blow to some of the other changes being made. Any additional information would be appreciated.

When a bolt is CHANNELed, the chance to hit every location is the same at 7% and the crit randomization floor is decreased by 1-2 ranks (depending on the actual crit). For the sake of comparison, the previous chance to hit something like the eye was significantly lower than that.

GameMaster Estild

Category: Magic Spells and Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 1204
Author: GS4-ESTILD
Date: 01/21/2016 11:35 AM EST
Subject: Re: CHANNELed Bolts

To provide some additional details to illustrate the strength of a channeled bolt:

When you CAST/EVOKE a bolt, it has a little over 16% chance to hit the eyes, head, or neck. A channeled bolt has over a 30% chance. Most of those locations will also result in a crit kill for ranks as low as 5 or 6. While it will take 7+ against the chest, abdomen, or back.

In addition, when you CAST/EVOKE a bolt, if it's determined to be a rank 9 critical wound, crit randomization can lower that all the way down to a rank 5 (typically non-lethal against vital spots). If you CHANNEL the same bolt (for the same rank 9 crit), crit randomization won't lower it less than a rank 7 (typically lethal against vital spots).

GameMaster Estild

DF Changes

Category: Magic Spells and Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 976
Author: GS4-KONACON
Date: 09/15/2015 12:54 PM EDT
Subject: ELR - DF Lore For Bolts!

Hi everybody! No shenanigans today because there is a LOT to cover. I promise we can have shenanigans later if you want. :)

MECHANICS

  • Minor Acid (904) and Major Acid (1710) now have their DFs increased similar to 901/910, using Elemental Lore, Earth and Elemental Lore, Water.
  • Minor Steam (1707) now has its DF increased similar to 901/910, using Elemental Lore, Fire and Elemental Lore, Water.
    • This means the increase is .001 per two ranks for the first 100 ranks and .001 per four ranks for ranks 101 to 200.
  • Tonis Bolt (505) no longer subtracts the first 20 ranks of air lore from its DF increase calculation. It's been standardized to how other DF increases work.
  • Disintegrating Bolt (705) now has its DF increased by Sorcerous Lore, Necromancy.
    • The increase is .001 per rank for the first 50 ranks, .001 per two ranks for ranks 51 - 100 and .001 per four ranks for ranks greater than 100.
  • Web Bolt (118) now has its DF increased by Spiritual Lore, Summoning.
    • The increase is .001 per rank for the first 50 ranks, .001 per two ranks for ranks 51 - 100 and .001 per four ranks for ranks greater than 100.
  • Holy Bolt (306) now has its DF increased by Spirital Lore, Religion when the target is undead.
    • The increase is .001 per rank for the first 50 ranks, .001 per two ranks for ranks 51 - 100 and .001 per four ranks for ranks greater than 100.

Questions? Comments? Know of a bolt I missed that doesn't have a DF Lore increased? Let me know!

~ Konacon

Ball Spells

2009 Posts

Category: Magic Spells and Systems
Topic: Minor Spiritual Circle
Message #: 4009
Author: GS4-ESTILD
Date: 11/25/2009 1:49:46 PM
Subject: Re: Fire Spirit question

>If your "possible" roll is a 1--even if you have +19 targets added because of Lore, so your range is 1-27 targets [rather than the base of 1-8]--then you can have six hundred ranks of MOC, and you're still going to hit one target. -Krakii

Correct.

GameMaster Estild

Category: Magic Spells and Systems
Topic: Minor Spiritual Circle
Message #: 4013
Author: GS4-ESTILD
Date: 11/25/2009 1:49:46 PM
Subject: Re: Fire Spirit question

>Estild, could you (or one of the other GMs) go over to the Krakiipedia page [link is earlier in this thread] and give it the imprimatur of veracity? :) -Krakii

Bolt_spell

I only see 3 needed corrections:


"The normal--no additional training ranks in either Lore or MOC--base range of results is eight (8) for splash damage, so imagine rolling an eight-sided die (d8)."

It's actually 0 - 8 and a weighted roll in favor of the lower end numbers.


"With twenty creatures in the room, your first roll can be between one and thirteen (base of 1-8 plus 5 for Lore skill, or 1-13); you cannot possibly hit creatures numbered fourteen through twenty."


"The next roll can be anything between one and ten."

Both of these rolls are 0 to X.


>I hate to argue with Estild.
>But... I've never not hit targets with splashes from crystal and metal wands, and I've got no such lore for either. But I do have 5-10 MoC ranks depending on the enhancives I'm wearing. -Virilneus

With 0 lore ranks and 101 ranks of MoC: 

Your hands glow with power as you invoke the phrase for Major Fire...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a hobgoblin.
You hurl a roaring ball of fire at a hobgoblin!
   AS: +208 vs DS: -62 with AvD: +70 + d100 roll: +6 = +346
   ... and hit for 138 points of damage!
   Left leg burned off at the knee. Ouch.
The roaring ball of fire strikes a hobgoblin, blossoming into a much larger sphere of flame upon impact.
   ... 15 points of damage!
   Burst of flames to back fries shoulder blades. Youch!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

>look
[Estild's Underwater Dome]
Various aquatic life forms can be seen swimming in every direction from within the confines of this dome. All that separates the vast amounts of water and the inner environment is a translucent sphere. Numerous multihued cushions cover the floor, offering rest to weary travelers visiting this tranquil habitat. You also see a rolton that appears stunned, a rolton that is lying down, a giant ant, a giant ant, a hobgoblin that appears dead, a hobgoblin that appears stunned, a goblin that appears stunned, a goblin that appears stunned, a giant rat, a giant rat, Mestys's murmaider list and a crystalline scrying pool.
Obvious paths: none

GameMaster Estild

2015 Posts

Category: Sorcerers
Topic: Sorcerer Spells
Message #: 2605
Author: GS4-ESTILD
Date: 04/09/2015 07:07 PM EDT
Subject: Re: Balefire lore/MOC training question
VANKRASN39
Balefire: How does demonology increase maximum number of targets on splash effect? How does MOC training increase the ability to hit multiple targets?

The information I've provided in the past (ball spell) is correct. But here are some additional numbers that all ball explosion spells follow:

Unfortunately, it doesn't follow our standard summation chart, so to calculate the number of increased potential targets you can hit due to lore, you can use the following formula: (1 + sqrt(1 - 8(1 - lore ranks)))/2. To start you out, the thresholds are 1, 2, 4, 7, 11, 16, 22, 29, 37, 46...

Each rank of Multi-Opponent Combat increases the number of targets affected (the second roll) by 1, up to the maximum (the first roll, which can be 0).

GameMaster Estild

Category: Sorcerers
Topic: Sorcerer Spells
Message #: 2614
Author: GS4-ESTILD
Date: 04/10/2015 01:28 PM EDT
Subject: Re: Balefire lore/MOC training question
KARDIOS
If I understand correctly, MoC increases the minimum number of targets. For example, if you have 50 lore ranks, you can splash a maximum of 10 targets and a minimum of zero targets. If you have two ranks of MoC, then your range is 2 to 10, instead of 0 to 10.

Here's the non-elaborate breakdown:

  1. Random 0 to 8 (weighted toward the low end)
  2. Add lore bonus to # from step 1
  3. Random 0 to # from step 2
  4. Add MoC ranks to # from step 3
  5. Limit maximum value of # from step 4 to # from step 2

I believe I had previously stated in the past that you could potentially hit 0 targets even with MoC, but now that I'm looking at the code again, I don't believe that's the case. I had even tested it, but due to how the test was done and how the code works, it had given me a result that a player wouldn't be able to reproduce.

GameMaster Estild

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