Talk:Elven Lexicon

Please add words here you believe should be included in the lexicon. Provide a link to the relevant document or enough information about where it is in game that we can find it to review. Thanks! ~Xynwen GS4-XYNWEN (talk) 13:08, 3 July 2024 (CDT)

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talatien and vantael from the new Ta'Ardenai lore: "While originally designed to be independent city-state enclaves with shared land between, this notion of talatien, or "cities of independent cooperation" was quickly abandoned for the more traditional vantael, or "small cooperating kingdoms or nations."" LUNATUNES (talk) 23:20, 20 August 2024 (CDT)

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"Frae Naira vers Deiam, Jae esais bevre Tua ae te Draekeche." == "From Dusk til Dawn, I stand between thee and the darkness." This is taken directly from multiple objects in game, documented among them being the shimmering glaesine orb that was given out at the conclusion of the Vismi'irkha/day-night questlines. The phrase was portrayed as the original motto of House Illistim and is noted as being an Elven phrase as the language was spoken/written 50,000 years before the current setting. HATESHI (talk) 21:16, 21 July 2022 (CDT)

These are probably all examples of words in ancient Elven:

raen utuva nole = "Wandering to find wisdom" - History of Dwarves: Introduction (implied to be ancient from "ancient tongue of the scholars", unclear how ancient or if that could refer to something like a scholar guildspeak)

igno skaellim = "identity unknown" - Lines of Blood: A History of the Gnomes (implied to be much more than 10,000 years ago, Timeline of Elanthian History corroborates -4,500 as being a much later date)

sylvisterai = "one who embraces -- or marries -- the forest." - History of the Sylvan Elves (has to be very early; other words in that document are probably Sylvan)

Note: Evolution of that language, to the point of ancient forms being difficult to translate, is explicitly stated in the carbuncle entry of Elanthian Gems. The rate of Elven language drift to distant similarity is somewhat framed by Faendryl and Dhe'nar-si in Dark Elven languages.

These are apparently all the same language by inspection. It isn't clear if it is the same language as the Linsandrych Illistim "From Dusk til Dawn" quote. But if it is not some form of elven from that Vishmiir period conflict with the Elves then I have no idea what language it is supposed to be:

"Oralach'lan'da at'anoi, ta Marlu vismi'ir!" - unknown translation; vismi'irkha was the ancient name of the Vishmiir, known from when the elves banished them; found in the loresong for urglaes-set pitted silver talisman from Hunt for History, probably very very ancient

* "Anor'lan'da ta vismi'irkha! Edasva'da a'anoi!" - unknown translations; Thalenn, NPC from Vishmiir event; the Vishmiir are defined in the History of Fash'lo'nae document to have been extraplanar beings (undead) struggled against by the Elven Empire

• "Anor'lan'data vismi'irkha, edasva'da e'asah a'anoi!" - Thalenn
• "Anor'lan'da ta vismi'irkha edasva'da!" - Thalenn
• Note: The "Frae Naira vers Deiam, Jae esais bevre Tua ae te Draekeche." line was used by the Alazne NPC during the Vishmiir quest night/day system release ritual when the world seemed to stop spinning, because the Gwilthain NPC banished "night" instead of "sight". This line was the (ancient?) motto of House Illistim according to former GM Lyredaen. Modern mottoes seem to be given as crest statements in The Layman's Guide to Elven Heraldry.

"~ Dha baes'irin dha shi ta liat shi hestos i siath a shidar ~ Oraesh'lan dha laediach ta geilach ~ Oraesh'lan'da ta Gosaena ~" - Unknown translations; Real Room ID #2162016 , on the grey stone slab. The Graveyard is an ICE Age area in its original parts/story, but the Wormwood Slough expansion of the bog was added much later post-ICE. Original story was approximately 6,300 years ago, but its age / timing is undefined now. The words at least are probably supposed to be much older than the Graveyard. The Bandur character had used ancient languages in the original story.

INIQUITY (talk) 22:57, 21 July 2022 (CDT)

• The elven word for the carbuncle gem is "ilaeryse", which is also a word meaning "infirmity." The word "carbuncle" is even less appealing in Common, for the Common word "carbuncle" may mean either the carbuncle gem or a pus-filled skin boil. From Elanthian Gems. LUNATUNES (talk) 09:11, 22 July 2022 (CDT)
• Native speakers of Common use "chalcedony" only to refer to the white form of the stone in question. As the literal word "chalcedony" is elven in origin, matters grow even more complicated when elven definitions are included, and jewelers try to be extremely precise in cross-culture trading to avoid winding up with a shipment of onyx and agate when a shipment of white chalcedony is intended. From Elanthian Gems. LUNATUNES (talk) 09:11, 22 July 2022 (CDT)
• Before the two cultures initiated trade, "cordierite" was the Common name for a specific gem, and "lathaer selphare" was the elven name for the same gem. From Elanthian Gems. LUNATUNES (talk) 09:11, 22 July 2022 (CDT)
• "There was a great ranger who knew the secret paths and hidden ways of the Wyrdeep. He guarded our borders and tended the land, and in return, the Wyrdeep ensured that his dragon-bone arrows flew true to their marks without fail. His life's companion was a great white wolf called Nyin'niel, which means "Snow's Heart." From Elves of Wyrdeep LUNATUNES (talk) 18:26, 22 July 2022 (CDT)
• The elven cultures almost universally consider a bookworm in a positive light, and their term, ataelel or "ink drinker," [...]. From Library Mouse LUNATUNES (talk) 00:50, 23 July 2022 (CDT)
• He named it a geld-aradlaiel, literally meaning "seer-stone" but it was quickly shortened to geldaralad, "stone of truth.". From Ferroniere LUNATUNES (talk) 01:00, 23 July 2022 (CDT)
• The navigation skill itself is called "Brou Setche" by the elves, and is a learned skill that requires lengthy training. Ilyan Cloud LUNATUNES (talk) 17:57, 23 July 2022 (CDT)

As the writer of the document, i can report that he elven terms stemming from the Elves of Wyrdeep document originated in 2014 :3 LUNATUNES (talk) 10:14, 29 February 2024 (CST)