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==Recent Logs==
A discussion page created by request of a friend! This is for general talk about Gemstone Life, the Gemstone Universe, and Gemstone Everything; for discussion of Leafiara the character from an RP perspective, see [[::Talk:Leafiara|my character discussion page]].
Hi again, LEAFIARA. I noticed that you recently added or edited a couple logs that either have (had) been included in the [[:Category:North by Northwest|North by Northwest]] category, or have (had) "North by Northwest" included in their article name. It looks like some of them may not have been intended to be part of the North by Northwest category from their edit history. Can you clarify if they are intended to be part of this specific storyline category, if they are supposed to be part of a different storyline category, or if they are just "general" Wehnimer's Landing-related event logs that might not be specific to an ongoing storyline? The two logs I could find related to this are the following:
* [[North by Northwest (storyline)/2024-08-07 - Blames, Games, and Names (log)]]
* [[North by Northwest (storyline)/2024-07-12 - Vagrant or Vargath (log)]]
It is possible there may be more beyond these two. It looks like I had previously moved one of them to have an updated log article title based on its original inclusion in the NxNW storyline category. I suspect that these logs may need to be incorporated into the little-used category, [[:Category:Tales of Wehnimer's Landing|Tales of Wehnimer's Landing]], which was established as a sort of catch-all for Landing-area RP events centered around GM-led interactions (whether or not there is a GM presence) that don't fall under a named storyline. Updating the various town storylines to the current standards is one of my longer term projects, and I have not yet gotten to those related to the Landing. Much of what is on the [[Landing Events (KST)]] article is intended to be migrated to either the appropriate storyline or Tales of Wehnimer's Landing catch-all category once it has been brought in line with those standards. Any insight you can offer would be appreciated. If they do need to be moved/recategorized, you are welcome to take those steps or you can let me know and I can certainly do so on your behalf. Thanks again for all of your work on the wiki. [[User:HOST-GSKEBECHET|HOST-GSKEBECHET]] ([[User talk:HOST-GSKEBECHET|talk]]) 10:40, 11 September 2024 (CDT)


To ask a question, just click that Edit button up top, copy the line below (including the tildes), paste it into the Your Questions section, and change it as needed! Or just ask me in game and I can even add it here anonymously.


Hi there! The short answer is that, yes, these two should actually be under Tales of Wehnimer's Landing since they were RP events led by a GM which weren't associated with any storyline. North by Northwest ended several months ago.
* So you're taking questions? [[User:LEAFIARA|LEAFIARA]] ([[User talk:LEAFIARA|talk]]) 22:50, 2 January 2018 (CST)


As for how it happened, I had accidentally left a North by Northwest category on the older of these two logs (Vagrant or Vargath) because I had copy/pasted my formatting from an older log. (I assume that my error is why you moved it, believing that the category was there to indicate that it was connected.) By the time I created the second log (Blames, Games, and Names), I was likewise copy/pasting the URL formatting from the log that you had moved since last I looked, but I didn't catch that it had changed. After I noticed later, I deleted the North by Northwest categories from both logs, but didn't quite know what to do from there.


Moving and recategorizing them will resolve it!
==Your Questions==
[[User:LEAFIARA|LEAFIARA]] ([[User talk:LEAFIARA|talk]]) 17:36, 11 September 2024 (CDT)
:Got it, thank you very much for the clarification! I'll take care of the moving. [[User:HOST-GSKEBECHET|HOST-GSKEBECHET]] ([[User talk:HOST-GSKEBECHET|talk]]) 08:31, 19 September 2024 (CDT)


==Recent Edits to Character Page==
Filler space while waiting for questions!
Hello, LEAFAIRA. I wanted to reach out to you to an update to the [[Gswiki:Policy]] that was just made for item #4, associated with character pages. Previously, there were no circumstances where character pages (and their subpages) were allowed to be modified by anyone other than the character's player or someone to whom they had given permission. This had the unfortunate result of not allowing for circumstances where a player from our community has passed away. The policy update now makes allowances where this is permitted, but with specific parameters. Those parameters are now outlined in the Gswiki's [[Gswiki:Style guide/Character pages#Player Deaths|style guide for character pages]].


While all of your edits to [[Saraphenia (prime)|Saraphenia]]'s page were made fully in good faith, I am moving forward with the steps outlined in the updated policy for how a character page is handled when a player passes away. I am locking further edits to the character page. I am adding a new template to the top of the page, identifying that it is locked to further edits out of respect to the player who has passed away. The template includes a link to a new subpage, which has not yet been created, [[Saraphenia (prime)/Memorial]], which may be freely created or edited by you or anyone else who wish to preserve memories of her player. '''In seven days, I will revert your recent edits to [[Saraphenia (prime)|Saraphenia]]'s character page to the last version by the original author.''' This is intended to preserve the character page in the original voice intended by her player. This should give you ample time to move any edits you would like to preserve to the Memorial page.
==Leafi's Player's Answers==


I realize that this is a difficult time for you and Saraphenia's friends. Please let me or the wiki team know if you have any questions or concerns about this policy update. This can be done via email to gs4-wiki@play.net or via Gemstone's [https://discord.com/channels/226045346399256576/1061330227843833926 Discord forum's wiki thread]. [[User:HOST-GSKEBECHET|HOST-GSKEBECHET]] ([[User talk:HOST-GSKEBECHET|talk]]) 09:53, 8 May 2024 (CDT)
More filler space!




==Writing About Everything GS==


Thank you so much. For obvious reasons, I haven't been thinking clearly by any stretch, but this is a very well thought-out solution. It gives me peace of mind about nobody else touching the main page and the subpage idea actually leaves me feeling like I have more leeway, not less, to honor my friend. Feel free to revert the main page changes I made sooner than later, as I've already copied all of the new elements from my edits to the Memorial subpage. [[User:LEAFIARA|LEAFIARA]] ([[User talk:LEAFIARA|talk]]) 14:26, 8 May 2024 (CDT)
:Thank you for letting me know. I have completed the manual revert of Saraphenia's character page to the last version prior to your edits while preserving the In memorium template. [[User:HOST-GSKEBECHET|HOST-GSKEBECHET]] ([[User talk:HOST-GSKEBECHET|talk]]) 08:44, 9 May 2024 (CDT)


===[[Alchemy]]===


====General Thoughts====
Alchemy is a great idea with poor execution. Other than the [[::Enchanting_potion#Pre-tempering_Potions|pre-tempering potions]] and fancy new titles, is anything from alchemy worth it?


May I ask why your links end up with two colons at the front like <nowiki>[[::CharacterName (prime)|CharacterName]]</nowiki> in your logs? Examples: [[A Knight To Remember - 5120-12-03 - Coreful Consideration (log)]]. I am aware of the use of a single colon to exclude a file or category from populating and remaining a link, but I'm not aware of this convention with two colons. [[User:MOD-GSMOTTE|MOD-GSMOTTE]] ([[User talk:MOD-GSMOTTE|talk]]) 20:57, 26 December 2020 (CST)
Look at a [[::Wisdom_potion#Greater_wisdom_potion|greater wisdom potion]], for example... It's +10 [[Wisdom]] for two sips of 30 minutes each. That sounds great, but you have to throw tens of millions of silvers into mastering potions and then still have to give up like 50k of materials to make one.


Hmm... I actually don't know where I picked up the habit. My best guess is that I was looking at some other GS wiki page while trying to figure out how to display different text to the end user than what the end of the linked URL is, saw that ''that'' page used double colons, assumed they were necessary, and then did it that way for years without seeing what would happen if I left them out. That's a little embarrassing, since now I see it still works without them! I'll leave that out in the future. [[User:LEAFIARA|LEAFIARA]] ([[User talk:LEAFIARA|talk]]) 01:39, 1 January 2021 (CST)
Compare that with [[forging]], which can improve every attack for the rest of your life forever ''and'' is less time consuming to master ''and'' only costs one or two million silver to master! Or even compare it to recharging [[::Enhancive_item|enhancives]].


:Please, no embarrassment necessary. I am still learning, and I make mistakes or do things in an odd way all the time! We all are always learning and growing (including me). I just wasn't sure if this was one of those things that ''I'' didn't know. Thank you for all of your hard work documenting GemStone history and sharing your time and efforts with other people. It is truly appreciated. [[User:MOD-GSMOTTE|MOD-GSMOTTE]] ([[User talk:MOD-GSMOTTE|talk]]) 01:55, 1 January 2021 (CST)
The payoff to alchemy is just really lacking.

====Wishlist====
* Decrease difficulty (e.g. lighting cauldrons)
* Decrease RTs
* Make the stat-boosting potions last longer, maybe even having [[Magic Item Use]] add duration on top of the basic thirty minutes

Note: I'd call improving alchemy by far one of the lower priorities of changes I'd like to see, but I definitely won't object if some GM takes it up as a pet project!


===[[Bard]]s===

====General Thoughts====
First the bad news: level 0 to 34 as a bard was probably the most bored I've been playing a profession. Even at level 35 I think I would have bored for a while longer if not for my wizard supplying near-endless mana for [[::Song of Tonis (1035)|Song of Tonis]] the moment she learned it.

Having said that, after bards get going they're really a blast--at least up to level 62, where mine is right now! They have a wide, fun variety of tools like [[::Vibration Chant (1002)|Vibration Chant]], [[::Lullabye (1005)|Lullabye]], [[::Stunning Shout (1008)|Stunning Shout]], [[Feint]], and [[Trip]] or [[Hamstring]] (depending on weapon type), among other things.

At high levels I hear that bards can more or less spam [[::Song of Sonic Disruption (1030)|Song of Sonic Disruption]], which definitely isn't my style and won't be what I do when I get there, but I'm sure power hunters love it.

Also, I consider bards a must for any multi-accounter, and I'm not even saying that because of their group buffs--after all, some professions and builds won't even care about [[::Song of Luck (1006)|Song of Luck]] or [[::Kai's Triumph Song (1007)|Kai's Triumph Song]] and a few might not even care about Song of Tonis. But everyone cares about silvers and loot and that's where bards pay off huge because of [[::Purification Song (1004)|Purification Song]] and [[loresinging]].

====Wishlist====
* Since those early levels are so rough and bards are supposed to be the purest of the semis, maybe bards could get something like empaths have with [[::Bone Shatter (1106)|Bone Shatter]] where they get TD pushdown early on. It can be crazily frustrating trying to hit with bard base against TDs that seem like they're defending against, I dunno, maybe wizards' [[::Elemental Strike (415)|Elemental Strike]].


===[[Cobbling]]===

====General Thoughts====
One of my favorite ideas in Gemstone and I absolutely love GM Elidi's dedication to it!

====Wishlist====
* A new [[cobbling punch]] that lets me [[::WIGGLE_(verb)|wiggle my toes]] while wearing sandals and everyone else will see!!!
* Decrease RTs


===[[Empath]]s===

====General Thoughts====
The profession I'd recommend to anyone. Empaths are ''masters'' of all trades and ''jacks'' of none. They're amazing at [[warding]], amazing at [[::Bolt_spell|bolting]], amazing at swinging, amazing at utility, amazing at [[::SKIN_(verb)|skinning]], amazing at [[foraging]], amazing at leveling (because they don't even need to leave town if they don't want), amazing against creatures one on one, amazing against swarms with [[::Empathic Link (1117)|Empathic Link]], amazing in [[Guardians of Sunfist]], amazing in the [[Order of Voln]], amazing in the [[Council of Light]]...

And despite jokes about fat empaths, they're even amazing at not being encumbered since they don't have to carry 15+ pounds of herbs. They're amazing at being someone's only account since they never need to track down healing. They're amazing at multi-accounting since other than maybe [[wizard]] buffs there's nothing more valuable to more professions than healing on demand.

====Wishlist====
Nothing. I can't suggest buffs to a profession I already think is OP. I mean, I'm so enamored with empaths that whenever I think about what I'd like developed for clerics, I usually ignore the [[Major Spiritual]] circle because anything there would have to be balanced around empaths and it's too big a hurdle for me to work around.



===[[Forging]]===

====General Thoughts====
Other than maybe [[fletching]], which I've never tried, this is the least tedious artisan skill and has the biggest payoff. Perfect forged weapons are amazing for upgrading with certificates from the [[::Duskruin_Arena|Duskruin]] high end scrip shops. Also, even though it might seem like such a small thing, having your own crafting mark on your own weapon is hugely important to many characters RP-wise!

====Wishlist====
* Something like a cobbling punch except it adds scripts to toothpicks


===[[Paladin]]s===

====General Thoughts====
Paladins are the overkill profession that's great fun for quite a while, and maybe even forever if you're playing to feel like a powerhouse. In every way they either have sky high numbers or at least ''look'' like they have sky high numbers--sure, paladin [[::casting strength|CS]] isn't exactly sorcerer CS, but it can sure look like it when you compare enemy TDs against paladin base to their TDs against sorcerer base!

Still, eventually they got dull to me when it became apparent that [[::Aura of the Arkati (1614)|Aura of the Arkati]] followed by attacks or [[::MSTRIKE_(verb)|mstrikes]] is all they need to do. Or maybe that's just a consequence of my paladin and empath being a hunting duo throughout their lives, as my warpath did a wider variety of things in almost every level range, which is more fun to me.

====Wishlist====

Mostly I just wish paladins could unlock a superpowered version of [[::Divine Strike (1615)|Divine Strike]] with lores or a really high number of ranks in paladin base. Right now it's silly to me that I'm playing a profession that can take 202 spell ranks and I have no desire to go past 70 or at absolute most 90 (''if'' I decide I still want [[::Wall of Force (140)|Wall of Force]] after getting 202 [[Dodging]]).

Training more spells means giving up [[redux]], which is a very big part of being a paladin to me, so I'd need a huge payoff. But, as far as I know, a 162/40 paladin won't come even close to the magical power of 127/75 bards. And it's not like bards even sacrifice physical ability to get that magical power since they're perfectly on par with paladins thanks to Song of Tonis. Bards do admittedly have worse TD and DS.

Still, to be honest, in a way paladins don't even feel like semis to me. Yes, they cast Aura of the Arkati or [[::Judgment (1630)|Judgment]] as setup spells, but many rogues cast [[::Elemental Wave (410)|Elemental Wave]] and nobody says ''they'' feel like semis.

Despite people who hear about me asking for buffs to war clerics and say I should have just made a paladin (not knowing I ''have'' a paladin), I do think my cleric is slightly better at hunting with a weapon than my paladin is at hunting with magic. (It's not saying much!) And it's more enjoyable to me to be able to hunt and switch between the two than go with one or the other, so for a cleric I ask for buffs to melee and for a paladin I ask for buffs to magic.

(Weirdly enough, nobody's ever once heard me talking about war clerics and said I should have made an empath. If they did, I'd have no argument except an RP-based one.)


===Coming Later===

Thoughts on clerics, pay events, post-cap, profession diversification, societies, [[::war mage||warmages]], maybe more.

Latest revision as of 08:31, 19 September 2024

Recent Logs

Hi again, LEAFIARA. I noticed that you recently added or edited a couple logs that either have (had) been included in the North by Northwest category, or have (had) "North by Northwest" included in their article name. It looks like some of them may not have been intended to be part of the North by Northwest category from their edit history. Can you clarify if they are intended to be part of this specific storyline category, if they are supposed to be part of a different storyline category, or if they are just "general" Wehnimer's Landing-related event logs that might not be specific to an ongoing storyline? The two logs I could find related to this are the following:

It is possible there may be more beyond these two. It looks like I had previously moved one of them to have an updated log article title based on its original inclusion in the NxNW storyline category. I suspect that these logs may need to be incorporated into the little-used category, Tales of Wehnimer's Landing, which was established as a sort of catch-all for Landing-area RP events centered around GM-led interactions (whether or not there is a GM presence) that don't fall under a named storyline. Updating the various town storylines to the current standards is one of my longer term projects, and I have not yet gotten to those related to the Landing. Much of what is on the Landing Events (KST) article is intended to be migrated to either the appropriate storyline or Tales of Wehnimer's Landing catch-all category once it has been brought in line with those standards. Any insight you can offer would be appreciated. If they do need to be moved/recategorized, you are welcome to take those steps or you can let me know and I can certainly do so on your behalf. Thanks again for all of your work on the wiki. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 10:40, 11 September 2024 (CDT)


Hi there! The short answer is that, yes, these two should actually be under Tales of Wehnimer's Landing since they were RP events led by a GM which weren't associated with any storyline. North by Northwest ended several months ago.

As for how it happened, I had accidentally left a North by Northwest category on the older of these two logs (Vagrant or Vargath) because I had copy/pasted my formatting from an older log. (I assume that my error is why you moved it, believing that the category was there to indicate that it was connected.) By the time I created the second log (Blames, Games, and Names), I was likewise copy/pasting the URL formatting from the log that you had moved since last I looked, but I didn't catch that it had changed. After I noticed later, I deleted the North by Northwest categories from both logs, but didn't quite know what to do from there.

Moving and recategorizing them will resolve it! LEAFIARA (talk) 17:36, 11 September 2024 (CDT)

Got it, thank you very much for the clarification! I'll take care of the moving. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 08:31, 19 September 2024 (CDT)

Recent Edits to Character Page

Hello, LEAFAIRA. I wanted to reach out to you to an update to the Gswiki:Policy that was just made for item #4, associated with character pages. Previously, there were no circumstances where character pages (and their subpages) were allowed to be modified by anyone other than the character's player or someone to whom they had given permission. This had the unfortunate result of not allowing for circumstances where a player from our community has passed away. The policy update now makes allowances where this is permitted, but with specific parameters. Those parameters are now outlined in the Gswiki's style guide for character pages.

While all of your edits to Saraphenia's page were made fully in good faith, I am moving forward with the steps outlined in the updated policy for how a character page is handled when a player passes away. I am locking further edits to the character page. I am adding a new template to the top of the page, identifying that it is locked to further edits out of respect to the player who has passed away. The template includes a link to a new subpage, which has not yet been created, Saraphenia (prime)/Memorial, which may be freely created or edited by you or anyone else who wish to preserve memories of her player. In seven days, I will revert your recent edits to Saraphenia's character page to the last version by the original author. This is intended to preserve the character page in the original voice intended by her player. This should give you ample time to move any edits you would like to preserve to the Memorial page.

I realize that this is a difficult time for you and Saraphenia's friends. Please let me or the wiki team know if you have any questions or concerns about this policy update. This can be done via email to gs4-wiki@play.net or via Gemstone's Discord forum's wiki thread. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 09:53, 8 May 2024 (CDT)


Thank you so much. For obvious reasons, I haven't been thinking clearly by any stretch, but this is a very well thought-out solution. It gives me peace of mind about nobody else touching the main page and the subpage idea actually leaves me feeling like I have more leeway, not less, to honor my friend. Feel free to revert the main page changes I made sooner than later, as I've already copied all of the new elements from my edits to the Memorial subpage. LEAFIARA (talk) 14:26, 8 May 2024 (CDT)

Thank you for letting me know. I have completed the manual revert of Saraphenia's character page to the last version prior to your edits while preserving the In memorium template. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 08:44, 9 May 2024 (CDT)


May I ask why your links end up with two colons at the front like [[::CharacterName (prime)|CharacterName]] in your logs? Examples: A Knight To Remember - 5120-12-03 - Coreful Consideration (log). I am aware of the use of a single colon to exclude a file or category from populating and remaining a link, but I'm not aware of this convention with two colons. MOD-GSMOTTE (talk) 20:57, 26 December 2020 (CST)

Hmm... I actually don't know where I picked up the habit. My best guess is that I was looking at some other GS wiki page while trying to figure out how to display different text to the end user than what the end of the linked URL is, saw that that page used double colons, assumed they were necessary, and then did it that way for years without seeing what would happen if I left them out. That's a little embarrassing, since now I see it still works without them! I'll leave that out in the future. LEAFIARA (talk) 01:39, 1 January 2021 (CST)

Please, no embarrassment necessary. I am still learning, and I make mistakes or do things in an odd way all the time! We all are always learning and growing (including me). I just wasn't sure if this was one of those things that I didn't know. Thank you for all of your hard work documenting GemStone history and sharing your time and efforts with other people. It is truly appreciated. MOD-GSMOTTE (talk) 01:55, 1 January 2021 (CST)