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==Recent Logs==
A discussion page created by request of a friend!
Hi again, LEAFIARA. I noticed that you recently added or edited a couple logs that either have (had) been included in the [[:Category:North by Northwest|North by Northwest]] category, or have (had) "North by Northwest" included in their article name. It looks like some of them may not have been intended to be part of the North by Northwest category from their edit history. Can you clarify if they are intended to be part of this specific storyline category, if they are supposed to be part of a different storyline category, or if they are just "general" Wehnimer's Landing-related event logs that might not be specific to an ongoing storyline? The two logs I could find related to this are the following:
* [[North by Northwest (storyline)/2024-08-07 - Blames, Games, and Names (log)]]
* [[North by Northwest (storyline)/2024-07-12 - Vagrant or Vargath (log)]]
It is possible there may be more beyond these two. It looks like I had previously moved one of them to have an updated log article title based on its original inclusion in the NxNW storyline category. I suspect that these logs may need to be incorporated into the little-used category, [[:Category:Tales of Wehnimer's Landing|Tales of Wehnimer's Landing]], which was established as a sort of catch-all for Landing-area RP events centered around GM-led interactions (whether or not there is a GM presence) that don't fall under a named storyline. Updating the various town storylines to the current standards is one of my longer term projects, and I have not yet gotten to those related to the Landing. Much of what is on the [[Landing Events (KST)]] article is intended to be migrated to either the appropriate storyline or Tales of Wehnimer's Landing catch-all category once it has been brought in line with those standards. Any insight you can offer would be appreciated. If they do need to be moved/recategorized, you are welcome to take those steps or you can let me know and I can certainly do so on your behalf. Thanks again for all of your work on the wiki. [[User:HOST-GSKEBECHET|HOST-GSKEBECHET]] ([[User talk:HOST-GSKEBECHET|talk]]) 10:40, 11 September 2024 (CDT)


Hi there! The short answer is that, yes, these two should actually be under Tales of Wehnimer's Landing since they were RP events led by a GM which weren't associated with any storyline. North by Northwest ended several months ago.

As for how it happened, I had accidentally left a North by Northwest category on the older of these two logs (Vagrant or Vargath) because I had copy/pasted my formatting from an older log. (I assume that my error is why you moved it, believing that the category was there to indicate that it was connected.) By the time I created the second log (Blames, Games, and Names), I was likewise copy/pasting the URL formatting from the log that you had moved since last I looked, but I didn't catch that it had changed. After I noticed later, I deleted the North by Northwest categories from both logs, but didn't quite know what to do from there.

Moving and recategorizing them will resolve it!
[[User:LEAFIARA|LEAFIARA]] ([[User talk:LEAFIARA|talk]]) 17:36, 11 September 2024 (CDT)
:Got it, thank you very much for the clarification! I'll take care of the moving. [[User:HOST-GSKEBECHET|HOST-GSKEBECHET]] ([[User talk:HOST-GSKEBECHET|talk]]) 08:31, 19 September 2024 (CDT)

==Recent Edits to Character Page==
Hello, LEAFAIRA. I wanted to reach out to you to an update to the [[Gswiki:Policy]] that was just made for item #4, associated with character pages. Previously, there were no circumstances where character pages (and their subpages) were allowed to be modified by anyone other than the character's player or someone to whom they had given permission. This had the unfortunate result of not allowing for circumstances where a player from our community has passed away. The policy update now makes allowances where this is permitted, but with specific parameters. Those parameters are now outlined in the Gswiki's [[Gswiki:Style guide/Character pages#Player Deaths|style guide for character pages]].

While all of your edits to [[Saraphenia (prime)|Saraphenia]]'s page were made fully in good faith, I am moving forward with the steps outlined in the updated policy for how a character page is handled when a player passes away. I am locking further edits to the character page. I am adding a new template to the top of the page, identifying that it is locked to further edits out of respect to the player who has passed away. The template includes a link to a new subpage, which has not yet been created, [[Saraphenia (prime)/Memorial]], which may be freely created or edited by you or anyone else who wish to preserve memories of her player. '''In seven days, I will revert your recent edits to [[Saraphenia (prime)|Saraphenia]]'s character page to the last version by the original author.''' This is intended to preserve the character page in the original voice intended by her player. This should give you ample time to move any edits you would like to preserve to the Memorial page.

I realize that this is a difficult time for you and Saraphenia's friends. Please let me or the wiki team know if you have any questions or concerns about this policy update. This can be done via email to gs4-wiki@play.net or via Gemstone's [https://discord.com/channels/226045346399256576/1061330227843833926 Discord forum's wiki thread]. [[User:HOST-GSKEBECHET|HOST-GSKEBECHET]] ([[User talk:HOST-GSKEBECHET|talk]]) 09:53, 8 May 2024 (CDT)



Thank you so much. For obvious reasons, I haven't been thinking clearly by any stretch, but this is a very well thought-out solution. It gives me peace of mind about nobody else touching the main page and the subpage idea actually leaves me feeling like I have more leeway, not less, to honor my friend. Feel free to revert the main page changes I made sooner than later, as I've already copied all of the new elements from my edits to the Memorial subpage. [[User:LEAFIARA|LEAFIARA]] ([[User talk:LEAFIARA|talk]]) 14:26, 8 May 2024 (CDT)
:Thank you for letting me know. I have completed the manual revert of Saraphenia's character page to the last version prior to your edits while preserving the In memorium template. [[User:HOST-GSKEBECHET|HOST-GSKEBECHET]] ([[User talk:HOST-GSKEBECHET|talk]]) 08:44, 9 May 2024 (CDT)



May I ask why your links end up with two colons at the front like <nowiki>[[::CharacterName (prime)|CharacterName]]</nowiki> in your logs? Examples: [[A Knight To Remember - 5120-12-03 - Coreful Consideration (log)]]. I am aware of the use of a single colon to exclude a file or category from populating and remaining a link, but I'm not aware of this convention with two colons. [[User:MOD-GSMOTTE|MOD-GSMOTTE]] ([[User talk:MOD-GSMOTTE|talk]]) 20:57, 26 December 2020 (CST)

Hmm... I actually don't know where I picked up the habit. My best guess is that I was looking at some other GS wiki page while trying to figure out how to display different text to the end user than what the end of the linked URL is, saw that ''that'' page used double colons, assumed they were necessary, and then did it that way for years without seeing what would happen if I left them out. That's a little embarrassing, since now I see it still works without them! I'll leave that out in the future. [[User:LEAFIARA|LEAFIARA]] ([[User talk:LEAFIARA|talk]]) 01:39, 1 January 2021 (CST)

:Please, no embarrassment necessary. I am still learning, and I make mistakes or do things in an odd way all the time! We all are always learning and growing (including me). I just wasn't sure if this was one of those things that ''I'' didn't know. Thank you for all of your hard work documenting GemStone history and sharing your time and efforts with other people. It is truly appreciated. [[User:MOD-GSMOTTE|MOD-GSMOTTE]] ([[User talk:MOD-GSMOTTE|talk]]) 01:55, 1 January 2021 (CST)

Latest revision as of 07:31, 19 September 2024

Recent Logs

Hi again, LEAFIARA. I noticed that you recently added or edited a couple logs that either have (had) been included in the North by Northwest category, or have (had) "North by Northwest" included in their article name. It looks like some of them may not have been intended to be part of the North by Northwest category from their edit history. Can you clarify if they are intended to be part of this specific storyline category, if they are supposed to be part of a different storyline category, or if they are just "general" Wehnimer's Landing-related event logs that might not be specific to an ongoing storyline? The two logs I could find related to this are the following:

It is possible there may be more beyond these two. It looks like I had previously moved one of them to have an updated log article title based on its original inclusion in the NxNW storyline category. I suspect that these logs may need to be incorporated into the little-used category, Tales of Wehnimer's Landing, which was established as a sort of catch-all for Landing-area RP events centered around GM-led interactions (whether or not there is a GM presence) that don't fall under a named storyline. Updating the various town storylines to the current standards is one of my longer term projects, and I have not yet gotten to those related to the Landing. Much of what is on the Landing Events (KST) article is intended to be migrated to either the appropriate storyline or Tales of Wehnimer's Landing catch-all category once it has been brought in line with those standards. Any insight you can offer would be appreciated. If they do need to be moved/recategorized, you are welcome to take those steps or you can let me know and I can certainly do so on your behalf. Thanks again for all of your work on the wiki. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 10:40, 11 September 2024 (CDT)


Hi there! The short answer is that, yes, these two should actually be under Tales of Wehnimer's Landing since they were RP events led by a GM which weren't associated with any storyline. North by Northwest ended several months ago.

As for how it happened, I had accidentally left a North by Northwest category on the older of these two logs (Vagrant or Vargath) because I had copy/pasted my formatting from an older log. (I assume that my error is why you moved it, believing that the category was there to indicate that it was connected.) By the time I created the second log (Blames, Games, and Names), I was likewise copy/pasting the URL formatting from the log that you had moved since last I looked, but I didn't catch that it had changed. After I noticed later, I deleted the North by Northwest categories from both logs, but didn't quite know what to do from there.

Moving and recategorizing them will resolve it! LEAFIARA (talk) 17:36, 11 September 2024 (CDT)

Got it, thank you very much for the clarification! I'll take care of the moving. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 08:31, 19 September 2024 (CDT)

Recent Edits to Character Page

Hello, LEAFAIRA. I wanted to reach out to you to an update to the Gswiki:Policy that was just made for item #4, associated with character pages. Previously, there were no circumstances where character pages (and their subpages) were allowed to be modified by anyone other than the character's player or someone to whom they had given permission. This had the unfortunate result of not allowing for circumstances where a player from our community has passed away. The policy update now makes allowances where this is permitted, but with specific parameters. Those parameters are now outlined in the Gswiki's style guide for character pages.

While all of your edits to Saraphenia's page were made fully in good faith, I am moving forward with the steps outlined in the updated policy for how a character page is handled when a player passes away. I am locking further edits to the character page. I am adding a new template to the top of the page, identifying that it is locked to further edits out of respect to the player who has passed away. The template includes a link to a new subpage, which has not yet been created, Saraphenia (prime)/Memorial, which may be freely created or edited by you or anyone else who wish to preserve memories of her player. In seven days, I will revert your recent edits to Saraphenia's character page to the last version by the original author. This is intended to preserve the character page in the original voice intended by her player. This should give you ample time to move any edits you would like to preserve to the Memorial page.

I realize that this is a difficult time for you and Saraphenia's friends. Please let me or the wiki team know if you have any questions or concerns about this policy update. This can be done via email to gs4-wiki@play.net or via Gemstone's Discord forum's wiki thread. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 09:53, 8 May 2024 (CDT)


Thank you so much. For obvious reasons, I haven't been thinking clearly by any stretch, but this is a very well thought-out solution. It gives me peace of mind about nobody else touching the main page and the subpage idea actually leaves me feeling like I have more leeway, not less, to honor my friend. Feel free to revert the main page changes I made sooner than later, as I've already copied all of the new elements from my edits to the Memorial subpage. LEAFIARA (talk) 14:26, 8 May 2024 (CDT)

Thank you for letting me know. I have completed the manual revert of Saraphenia's character page to the last version prior to your edits while preserving the In memorium template. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 08:44, 9 May 2024 (CDT)


May I ask why your links end up with two colons at the front like [[::CharacterName (prime)|CharacterName]] in your logs? Examples: A Knight To Remember - 5120-12-03 - Coreful Consideration (log). I am aware of the use of a single colon to exclude a file or category from populating and remaining a link, but I'm not aware of this convention with two colons. MOD-GSMOTTE (talk) 20:57, 26 December 2020 (CST)

Hmm... I actually don't know where I picked up the habit. My best guess is that I was looking at some other GS wiki page while trying to figure out how to display different text to the end user than what the end of the linked URL is, saw that that page used double colons, assumed they were necessary, and then did it that way for years without seeing what would happen if I left them out. That's a little embarrassing, since now I see it still works without them! I'll leave that out in the future. LEAFIARA (talk) 01:39, 1 January 2021 (CST)

Please, no embarrassment necessary. I am still learning, and I make mistakes or do things in an odd way all the time! We all are always learning and growing (including me). I just wasn't sure if this was one of those things that I didn't know. Thank you for all of your hard work documenting GemStone history and sharing your time and efforts with other people. It is truly appreciated. MOD-GSMOTTE (talk) 01:55, 1 January 2021 (CST)