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Enchanting Projects and Tempers (4/2006)
Topic: Enchanting
Message #: 3399
Author: GS4-NAOS
Date: 7/17/2006 4:19:01 PM
Subject: Enchanting Projects and Tempers
<< Currently there are instances where fewer tempers and enchants are required than should be, based on the enchant being attempted. For example, +12 is considered 3x, however it currently only requires 2 tempers and enchants. This will be changing in the near future, but not until some changes are made to the way Forging of high quality weapons is handled. The definition in the table above is what will become the standard. >>
Quoted above is an except from the current Enchanting documentation located at http://www.play.net/gs4/info/enchant_notes.asp which will be removed when the document is updated in the near future.
Since the Forging system has long since moved away from providing a +1-3 AS bonus to forged weapons in favor of AvD and Damage Factor bonuses, this feature of the Enchanting system no longer serves any purpose.
Weapons and Armors will now temper as enchanting projects of one level greater than their bonus indicates as per the table provided in the Enchanting document, which I've recreated below for convenience.
| Bonus Range | Enchant Level | Tempered As |
|---|---|---|
| +1 to +5 | 1x | 2x |
| +6 to +10 | 2x | 3x |
| +11 to +15 | 3x | 4x |
| +16 to +20 | 4x | 5x |
| +21 to +25 | 5x | 6x |
| +26 to +30 | 6x | 7x |
| +31 to +35 | 7x | N/A |
| +36 to +40 | 8x | N/A |
| +41 to +45 | 9x | N/A |
| +46 to +50 | 10x | N/A |
What does this mean for tempering and enchanting projects? As an example, an imflass weapon would have tempered as a 3x project under the old system, but will now properly temper as a 4x project. Any enchanting project whose resulting bonus is greater than +20 will now be properly considered a major enchanting project, where the previous threshold for major projects was +22.
Naos
Pre-Tempering Potion Implementation (4/2009)
Topic: Enchanting
Message #: 6568
Author: GS4-NAOS
Date: 4/24/2009 12:33:25 A
Subject: Enchanting Updates
I'd like to take a moment to share some details with enchanters about a new facet of the enchanting system.
This update introduces support for a new class of potions known as pre-temper potions. These types of potions are designed to be applied to an item to prepare it to take a standard temper potion. This preparation step is required for each step in an enchanting project, meaning a project for 0x to 1x would require a single dose, while a project for 4x to 5x would require five doses; one dose is required per step in each case. This pre-temper effect typically lasts five minutes, giving the enchanter ample time to pour a second potion.
The messaging for a pre-temper potion follows a standard form, which each type of pre-temper having a different glow description:
You pour your potion on the falchion. As the liquid coats the surface of the mithril falchion, you murmur a few words of power while gesturing over the falchion. The liquid quickly seeps into the mithril falchion and leaves nothing behind but a faint glow. You examine the falchion closely and, though the faint glow appears to be fading rapidly, are satisfied that it is ready to take a standard tempering potion.
Similarly, when the pre-temper effect fades, the messaging takes a standard form, with the same glow description as the pre-temper message:
The faint glow fades from a mithril falchion.
Pre-temper potions are typically more difficult to apply than regular potions, reflecting the expected increase in difficulty when enchanting the types of gear that they allow to be tempered.As
Taking advantage of this feature, two new potions have been added to an enchanter's arsenal: an ayveneh potion and an eoveneh potion. Ayveneh potion may be used to prepare gear with Enhancive properties for tempering, while eoveneh potion fills the same role for some sanctified gear. Both of these potions maybe be used on gear with a bonus of 30 or less, similar to mirtokh potion. The only question is: where to find these potions?
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In addition to these new features, enchanting roundtimes have been lowered to 20 seconds across the board, but the roundtime is no longer affected by haste effects. Overall, enchanters should see a net drop in roundtimes. Further, using tempering potions to estimate time left for an active temper should now be working as intended. Estimates should no longer vary wildly.
Naos
Topic: Enchanting
Message #: 6593
Author: GS4-NAOS
Date: 4/24/2009 11:01:34 AM
Subject: Re: Enchanting Updates
I have a brief addendum to this announcement.
The contribution of Wizard Base spell ranks to the success of enchanting has been adjusted. The contribution up to 1x per level and through 1.5x per level remains as it was previously. Ranks trained beyond 1.5x per level now contribute less to success.
It's unlikely that enchanters will notice any significant difference in success rates unless they are very low in level attempting higher level enchanting projects.
Naos
Topic: Enchanting
Message #: 6595
Author: GS4-NAOS
Date: 4/24/2009 1:13:20 PM
Subject: Re: Enchanting Updates
<< So say I have a 4x wood runestaff, and a 4x wood runestaff with super-duper-enhansive goodness...need I worry about added chance of failure or more difficulty? >>
Yes, as noted in the original announcement: "Pre-temper potions are typically more difficult to apply than regular potions, reflecting the expected increase in difficulty when enchanting the types of gear that they allow to be tempered."
In case this isn't clear, the potions are more difficult to use and the enchanting projects themselves are also more difficult to successfully complete. The potion difficulty is meant to be an indicator of the relative skill where you should be able to successfully complete enchantment.
For sanctified items, there is a flat difficulty increase applied with a minimum difficulty. As an example, if the modifier is -10 and you are enchanting something that normally has a modifier of 0 or more, the difficulty is -10. If the difficulty is less than 0 normally, then the difficulty is the sum. A normally -5 would be -15 when sanctified. (Just for note, these numbers are nonsense meant for demonstration.)
Enhancive items are a bit more complex in their difficulty, which increases relative to how 'good' the enhancive benefits are. The value of the item can be a good gauge of relative difficulty, though it isn't be any means exact.
Naos
Pouring on TD Items (4/2010)
Topic: Enchanting
Message #: 7387
Author: GS4-NAOS
Date: 4/29/2010 1:46:25 PM
Subject: Re: TD bonus
Pouring a temper potion won't ever have any negative effect on an item. It will either take, or it won't. If it doesn't, there are a few different messages that give a rough indication of why.
Temper potions are safe to pour.
Naos
Material Difficulty (7/2010)
Topic: Enchanting
Message #: 7478
Author: GS4-NAOS
Date: 7/12/2010 9:49:55 PM
Subject: Re: Fail and reset
Mithril is the easiest material to enchant, period. There are many metals that are easier to enchant than steel, such as all the elven metals. Also, there are many woods that are easier to enchant than plain ol' wood, such as fireleaf and rowan (which is the easiest of all woods, period.)
Obsidian, on the other hand, is pretty much insta-fail.
As for mithril and boxes and the Unlock spell, not all magic is created equally, and the magical stability referenced in the document is what allows enchanting to take so readily in mithril gear.
Naos
Enchanting Resistant Items (3/2011)
Topic: Enchanting
Message #: 7855
Author: GS4-NAOS
Date: 3/17/2011 1:55:42 PM
Subject: Re: Armor resistance question
Aaaaaactually, resistant armor is more difficult to enchant than equivalent armor sans resistances. I don't think the permanence of the resistance matters, either.
You can pretty much assume that any additional attributes that don't outright prevent enchanting increase the difficulty of enchanting. (The only exception I can think of would be spikes.)
Naos
Enchanting "Metal" Items (8/2016)
Topic: Enchanting
Message #: 1797454
Author: GS4-ESTILD
Date: 08/08/2016 02:33 PM
Subject: Re: Difficulty on a 0x -> 1x metal dagger
- I cannot enchant this dagger to save my hide. I can only assume it comes with a huge negative for being made out of "metal" rather than a specific type of metal.
- Any GM mind giving me a little helpful info? I'm 0/3. On a 1x cast.
- After a careful inspection you determine that a rusty metal spike requires skill in edged weapons to use effectively. It appears to be a modified dagger.
- It looks like this item has been mainly crafted out of metal.
No weapon, shield, or armor should ever inspect as "metal", as that's used for decorative props only. You may ASSIST to have it changed to steel and can refer the GameMaster that answers the assist to this post. If you keep it as is, "metal" has a -500 enchanting penalty.
GameMaster Estild
Prospective Lore Changes (10/2016)
Topic: Wizard Spells
Message #: 3163
Author: GS4-ESTILD
Date: 10/18/2016 02:07 PM
Subject: Re: 925 - any update for us?
It should be out soon, but we can't really get more specific than that. If there are items at Ebon Gate that you're considering, I would definitely buy them, as the update will be out in the near future. Perhaps not before Ebon Gate ends, but soon. You also should not worry about starting or any existing projects when it goes live. It will not affect those (in the sense of losing any progress).
I had thought I had posted the full details of the update to Enchant Item (925), but it seems like there is still a lot of confusion (and I know we've made some changes since the original announcement, like on failures). So to list some of the specifics:
- When you CAST 925 at an item, it will give you a reading to tell you how likely you are to succeed on the final (i.e. the most difficult) cast. It will not actually try to enchant the item unless you CHANNEL, and during which, it will also give you more information regarding how lucky (or unlucky) you were with the attempt. This mimics the setup of Ensorcell (735).
- Tempered items will no longer shatter in combat, but they still cannot be used.
- Catastrophic and cursed item failure are being removed. It will no longer be possible to destroy or curse an item.
- The only possible failures are (ordered worst to best):
1.) Reset: the project is reset and you lose all progress toward it. You can immediately restart the project. This is the worst possible outcome. 2.) Lock: the project is locked and you cannot progress on it any further. It will not expire. A merchant can unlock it or you can untemper it to immediately remove all progress on it and the lock. 3.) Damage (toward progress, not the actual item): your progress is damaged and the current step of the enchant process is lowered (i.e. if you were on step 3 of a 5x enchant, it could be lowered to step 2 and you would have to wait for it to temper again). 4.) Delay: the temper time is reset, so you must wait again until it's ready again. 5.) Minor: no actual penalty, simply fails. You can immediately retry.
- Trainining in Elemental Lore, Water decreases the amount of time it takes to temper items. As a wizard reflects upon their experience (i.e. is online and gaining experience), they are able to store trace amounts of mana from each pulse, which they then infuse into their tempering potions to make them more effective. There is a weekly and maximum cap, which a wizard can SENSE.
- Training in the other Elemental Lores will allow a wizard to enchant items with elemental flares, but it requires a special pre-temper potion and 100 ranks of the appropriate lore (i.e. 100 EL:F ranks to enchant fire flaring weapons, etc). The mana points gained from the EL:W benefit may also be used to substitute up to 50 lore ranks (so a wizard who trains 50 ranks in each elemental lore can use mana points to also enchant any elemental flaring item). Elemental flares include heat, cold, water, air, vacuum, electricity, impact, acid, and steam.
GameMaster Estild
Enchant Item Update (2/2017)
Topic: Enchanting
Message #: 1215
Author: GS4-CONTEMPLAR
Date: 02/25/2017 08:59 AM EST
Subject: ENCHANT ITEM (925) UPDATES!
New discoveries made by Guildmasters of the Wizard Guild reveals hidden mystical abilities in items that can be enchanted. Wizards can now enchant items that are infused with the power of the elements!
The lore requirement is 100 ranks of elemental lore for the item being enchanted. Such items are more difficult to enchant, but ranks beyond the minimum required in the relevant lore grants an additional bonus.
Wizards who are trained in Elemental Lore, Water will have the ability to reduce the temper times on standard enchanting potions, or reduced lore rank requirements on elemental pre-temper potions. Up to 50 ranks of lore can be offset when infusing (INFUSE) into an elemental pre-temper potion to reduce the ranks needed. If a standard enchant potion is INFUSED, then the temper time can be reduced up to 95 percent for the next pour.
Every 325 mana points from the wizard's stored mana will reduce a temper potion time by 1 percent and every 200 mana points can substitute as 1 lore rank for infusing elemental pre-temper potions.
The SENSE verb has been updated to reveal more clues to the mana flows surrounding the wizard. Once a wizard has achieved level 25, learned the spell Enchant Item (925) and has at least 5 ranks of Elemental Lore, Water; they will begin to accrue stored mana in their own personal mana pool. Further bonuses to speed up the accumulation of mana points follow a seed 5 summation. F2P wizards do not have stored mana pools. Every 30 of base experience absorbed will result in 1 mana point at 5 ranks of Elemental Lore, Water.
The maximum amount of mana that can be stored per week is 10,000, and a grand total of 35,000 mana points can be stored.
New elemental pre-temper formulas have been uncovered buried in the stacks of tomes in the Wizard Guild Library. Four formulas, one for each of the base elements; air, fire, earth and water can now be made by Master Alchemists in the Wizard Guild. Also, rumors of extremely rare greater elemental essences have been reported as well. These greater essences are required ingredients for the elemental pre-temper potions.
It is no longer possible to completely destroy an enchanting project. This includes attacking with a tempered weapon (which is still not possible, but also won't result in item loss), as well as catastrophic enchanting failures. The new failure conditions will be; a delay, damaged, locked or reset project.
The worst failure is a project RESET. This will remove all progress made on the item.
A LOCKED project prevents a wizard from moving forward on it. Some highly skilled merchants can be found to remove the locked status of the project which will allow the wizard to continue where they left off. The project can also be RESET by using a common remove temper potion to remove the LOCKED status.
A DAMAGED failure will setback the step progression on the project.
A DELAY failure will just delay the temper time.
Finally! Wizards will now have the ability to gauge their chances of a successful enchantment prior to their final cast. Due to the varying factors involved with enchanting, and the use of certain potions; one cannot gauge their chances without tempering the item first. Simply CASTing at the item will give the wizard a reading and CHANNELing will attempt the enchant.
~Contemplar~
Topic: Enchanting
Message #: 1845
Author: GS4-ESTILD
Date: 04/01/2017 01:48 AM EDT
Subject: Re: ENCHANT ITEM (925) UPDATES!
Two minor updates:
- If you're currently enchanting an elemental flaring weapon, you may want to test the difficulty again before trying the actual enchant. It was previously giving a slightly easier reading then it should have and has been corrected. Not a significant difference, but just want to give a heads up incase anyone was attempting to enchant something that previously read as less than optimal for their success rate.
- GameMaster Contemplar has updated 925 so that you now cast the spell to get a reading of your chance of success without first having to temper the item. Do note that the mirtokh potion has a modifier that makes the enchant more difficult, so if an item would require that potion and you attempt to read it without tempering first, it won't be entirely accurate.
GameMaster Estild
Topic: Enchanting
Message #: 2025
Author: GS4-CONTEMPLAR
Date: 04/24/2017 12:55 PM EDT
Subject: Re: Reducing NPC Merchant Enchant offerings
First off, just in case anybody thinks otherwise. Picking up the Enchant Item update project was quite the GM learning experience for me, and a great joy for me to take on. I am not afraid of challenges.
Secondly, and I have to state this as such so as not to lay blame or point fingers at anybody (past/present GMs or players), but when I took this project on initially the design goal was already laid out for me and my main task was to implement the design. I took ownership, and accept the good with the bad.
Thirdly, I read these boards (especially the Wizard board) regularly, if not daily, so I am reading the players concerns. Your words are not falling on deaf ears. Some of the concerns I take up with the Dev team. Some get approved to work on, some don't.
Lastly, as I mentioned after the release of the updates and my concerns for breaking everybody current projects lead us to take a smaller step first, with the possibility of adding additional features to the spell that never existed before. Other things that players wanted couldn't be implemented at this time (or more accurately, at the time I was coding the changes).
We are not done with the improvements for 925, but some things have to wait for others things to be in place first before we can push onward. Other things are still in design development, while others may be approved to work on, but still need to be coded. I know players want everything done right now! Or think a complete redesign of the spell into something else is the better option. Sadly, neither of those are true, no matter how simple some think a change may be.
So in a nutshell, I am not done trying to add improvements, so feel free to continue with your suggestions, as I take many of them to heart. But please refrain from attacking others ideas as that is not a good creative process. As far as I am concerned, everybody has a valid point when it comes to their opinion on something.
~Contemplar~
INFUSE Update
Topic: Enchanting
Message #: 2304
Author: GS4-CONTEMPLAR
Date: 09/10/2017 09:51 AM EDT
Subject: INFUSE UPDATE!
A new discovery from the Guildmasters of the Wizard Guild now allows enchanters to INFUSE specified amounts of their stored mana into enchanting potions. Use INFUSE MY POTION to reveal information about whether the potion was infused and how much it will reduce the temper time or ranks required.
To infuse a potion, use INFUSE (amount) IN MY POTION.
~Contemplar~
Temper Time Clarification (6/2017)
Topic: Enchanting
Message #: 2153
Author: GS4-CONTEMPLAR
Date: 06/03/2017 09:01 AM EDT
Subject: Re: Temper Command Suggestion
>I think the pour messaging is based on the older implementation where they wanted some level of mystery around the actual time it would take for a next step to complete. The newer changes to 925 (Casting) provides an exact duration. Maybe at some point in the future they will update the pour messaging to tie in with what is provided via 925 (Casting).
>Or maybe someone wants to make the case that pouring only gives you a rough idea and then using 925 (Casting) you can get that precision level of clarity if you are interested. I think proving the actual duration with the pour would be a nice (minor) quality of life improvement.
>-- Robert
This is pretty much it. The temper times messaging is pretty vague (old unmodified system) and the newer 405, and 925 updates give you more accurate status of your project.
Not sure I am for changing that because I do like a little mystery, and not have everything spelled out so precisely. Plus, a single cast of 925 will give you accuracy based on how close the temper is to being finished. Thus, if it is more than one day, you get accuracy to within a day. If it is less than a day, you get accuracy to the nearest hour, and if less than an hour, minutes, and so on to seconds.
~Contemplar~
Weighting/Padding/Sighting Revamp (8/2017)
Topic: Weighting and Padding
Message #: 65
Author: GS4-ZISSU
Date: 08/26/2017 05:45 PM EDT
Subject: Weighting/Padding/Sighting Revamp
Relevant Excerpt:
W/P/S items are now also player enchantable, and no special temper potion is required! A difficulty penalty to success that correlates to the amount of W/P/S on the item, very similarly to ensorcell. Ensorcell difficulty penalties will remain the same in the new system. The penalty only increases when enough services have been acquired to actually increase the combat effectiveness of an item. An item that is "in between" combat effectiveness levels does not increase in difficulty until the next level has been reached.
~Estild~
Tempering Temporarily Enhanced Items (3/2018)
