Standard maneuver roll/saved posts
>Expensive for just one rank of overtraining there, and for rather less effect than PF, which I don't think has much benefit either, but at least more than that.
CM and Perception
>perception and CM are also things that factor into it. Is one of those more important than the other, or do they also factor equally? And are there other skills that factor in?
SILVEAN: However, ranks in the Combat Maneuvers skill does help with defending against creature maneuvers in equal measure with the much cheaper Perception skill.
This is only true in stance offensive. In stance defensive (and a sliding scale up to that point based upon stance), Combat Maneuvers provides twice as much bonus vs. Perception.
The armor penalty is a relatively significant factor. For a character exactly trained for full plate at cap, it contributes a penalty a little bit above the difference between 1x and 2x PF. Overtraining in armor to reduce the action penalty and/or using Armored evasion can reduce the maneuver penalty by a fairly significant amount, however.
Yes, the Mobility bonus is dependent upon Ranger spell ranks. The bonus is not capped.
The spirit penalty for AS/DS is based upon a percent of your missing spirit, so increasing your maximum spirit (through enhancives) does increase the amount of spirit you can lose before you see a penalty. However, for the maneuver penalty, it does not. Any spirit loss is a penalty, and the more that's missing, the higher the penalty. Voln Clerics do have an advantage in regaining spirit to offset the penalty, but that's just a part of societies in general, where they offer different advantages/disadvantages for players to pick between.
Specific Creature Maneuver Updates
Krynch & Cockatrice
A couple of creature maneuvers have been updated tonight, after a review of their previous effectiveness.
- Non-visible targets of the roll will receive a significant bonus to avoiding the maneuver.
- Critical failures will result in partial immobility, instead of the previous full immobility, and will last only as long as the roundtime induced by the failure.
- Critical failure will result in only a significant stance reduction, instead of the previous full stance reduction.
- A new tier of successful maneuver avoidance has been added, which will result in no roundtime, and will not reveal non-visible targets.
- The maneuver will no longer always be performed upon the creature's generation.
- The maneuver will now also be performed on occasion when the krynch moves from room to room.
Second, the freezing gaze attack of the various cockatrice creatures has been modified to more modern mechanics. Side effects may include dizzy spells, depression, and unconsiousness.
Here to talk a little bit about the new SMR (SMRv2?) and share some info on what skills, stats, and other things have an effect on it. (SMR stands for Standard Maneuver Roll. It's the system that most critters use for special attacks that aren't on the CMAN system, like roa'ter burrows.)
So, let's get right into what factors are taken into account for the SMR. These are not listed by any order of importance. It's just the order that made sense to me.
The primary defense for the defender is calculated using:
- Skills (Note: All skills are weighted equally by the SMR.)
- Combat Maneuvers
- The bonus ranks granted by Patron's Blessing (1611) are taken into account.
- Physical Fitness
- Spells that give a bonus to dodge ranks are taken into account.
- Shield Use is used in some cases, depending on the maneuver.
- Defender spell effects
- Heroism (215)
- Prayer (313)
- Haste (535)
- Phase (704)
- - Phase (704) can now be cast as a self-defensive buff. Sorcerous Lore, Demonology ranks increase this bonus.
- Cloak of Shadows (712)
- Melgorehn's Aura (913)
- Empathic Focus (1109)
- Patron's Blessing (1611)
- Other factors
- Stance, level difference, size/race, injuries, encumbrance, armor penalty, and status conditions.
One final note: Some factors may not be considered for a particular maneuver, depending upon its specifics. For example, magical maneuvers such as Earthen Fury (917) do not factor in the caster's stance or injuries. I'm sure there will be questions and clarifications needed so I'll be happy to answer any of those, outside of exact numbers, to the best of my abilities!
A couple of final notes that are semi-related: 1) Phase (704) has been given a self-only buff (standard buff duration) that increases the sorcerer's defenses against BOTH the old SMR and the new SMR. This buff is sorcerer only. 2) Patron's Blessing (1611) has also been given some defense against the old SMR, and the bonus ranks in Combat Maneuvers granted by the spell now also applies to the old SMR. This buff is paladin only.
- > It seems backwards that dexterity is a primary factor, and agility is a secondary factor.
- > I think of agility as "whole body" dexterity, such as getting your entire body from one place to another. This should be a primary factor for a maneuver.
- > I think of dexterity as "fine motor skills", e.g,. not whole body.
These are good points. I've switched the two so that now agility is the primary stat and dexterity/intuition are the secondary stats.
In addition, I've translated some old SMR abilities to the SMRv2. The list is as follows:
Giant stomp, caedera quaking, tailswipe, wing buffet, bandit dispel shard, triton drowning, beetle poison fog, Confluence twisting vortext air blast, dreamvine twinkling dust as well as their wrap ability, and the sentinel snake weapon grab.
Let me know if you see any issues with these or have any questions!
Survival Skill and Bandits
I'm pretty sure it's been stated before that survival helps with bandit traps.
While the SMRv2 skills should probably be considered the best options for all-around defense. There can and will be mechanics that integrate other skills where it makes sense, even if they are migrated to SMR eventually. As an example, if something like a wizard labyrinth full of traps were added to the game, it would make sense that some of the traps may have a magic item use aspect tossed in for minimizing/negating damage.