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:::Getting Krakii incarcerated could be kind of fun, actually. Unless he found out who caused it. We'll have to come up with a devious plan. [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 15:54, 1 December 2011 (EST)
:::Getting Krakii incarcerated could be kind of fun, actually. Unless he found out who caused it. We'll have to come up with a devious plan. [[User:KAGE|KAGE]] 15:54, 1 December 2011 (EST)


I see all these treasure boxes on the critters, and no alchemy specific info. Seeing as how common those drops are, shouldn't that be its own category? ~Vanessa
I see all these treasure boxes on the critters, and no alchemy specific info. Since those drops are very common, shouldn't that be its own category? ~Vanessa
:Early last year (go to the discussions tab on the [[Template:creature treasure]] page for the history) the creature treasure template was changed. As a result of that change, all previous treasure entries were hidden from view and could only be seen using the edit function. Additionally, for an editor to add any treasure information became non-trivial. I had, at that time, volunteered to help with the manual update. Well, as so often happens, the project was abandoned midstream and we were left with 400+ creature pages that needed the manual update. I am now going to each page and completing the update as best as I can. I am only adding a limited amount of additional information. My priority is to have the treasure sections in a usable format while simultaneously adding the aforementioned hidden data and deleting the old template references. [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] 22:49, 12 March 2014 (EDT)

Yay! thanks for joining me on the clean up [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] 16:16, 22 May 2014 (EDT)

Were you planning on doing the Paladin spell pages? [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] 11:38, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

:No, I hadn't. It is the circle I am least familiar with and I believe that DAID (Kaldonis) will likely do the updates. At least that is the impression I have based on his official posts. [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] 13:28, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

::Okay, I'll ask him. Seems like one of the 3 of us is going to have to do it. I'm not exactly qualified, either. [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] 13:47, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

Creature family pages: why do they need to match the official bestiary? [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39|talk]]) 14:48, 6 January 2015 (CST)
:Just my opinion but I don't feel that we should place creatures in families that are not original intent. Also, each creature should only be represented on one family page. I know it may seem counterintuitive that a rock troll zombie has the rock troll family classification but is it a rock troll, troll or zombie? It is unique and therefore has a family designation that represents that uniqueness. [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM1|talk]]) 15:16, 6 January 2015 (CST)
::See I take the opposite approach, that creatures can be a part of two families and we should seek to make this place better than the official site, which I know has some omissions, like rift crawler. Maybe it is a limitation of the official site that creatures cannot be a part of two families, which we can improve upon here. [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39|talk]]) 15:22, 6 January 2015 (CST)
:::Okay. I don't have a major objection to this as long as the family field on the creature page uses the official designation and that each family has a page. So, a rock troll zombie would be listed in three family pages (rock troll, troll, zombie). [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM1|talk]]) 16:14, 6 January 2015 (CST)
::::I'm with you on official designation being on the creature page. Wouldn't rock troll zombie just be part of troll and zombie families? Is there a rock/stone family? Please don't tell me rock and stone would be separate. [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39|talk]]) 16:20, 6 January 2015 (CST)
:::::Rock troll is the official family name. If you go to the GS4 bestiary and '''Sort by: Family > Search''' it will list all creatures by alphabetized family names. [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM1|talk]]) 20:40, 6 January 2015 (CST)
::::::Honestly I've never searched, nor know anyone who has searched by family. I've never seen a GM refer to creature family, nor know if it was something considered carefully or just thrown together, seeing as there are rattlesnake and snake families, rodent and rat families (why aren't the rats rodents?). So maybe we should get some input on it. But I would like the wiki to be better than the official site, because that's one of the reasons they brought it over. Not knowing about the family search on the official bestiary, if I clicked on warrior family creatures I would want to see all the warriors, and I would wonder why the Agresh, minotaur, and shan weren't there. That's where I'm coming from :) [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39|talk]]) 22:15, 6 January 2015 (CST)
:::::::Your logic is unassailable. I think the obvious candidates could be listed on two family pages such as the warriors, or another example would be ghoul master which is obviously a ghoul but has the family designation of master. I'm on board :) [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM1|talk]]) 22:48, 6 January 2015 (CST)
::::::::Have a [[:category:Creature Families|chart]] coming up for you in five min, then bed time [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39|talk]]) 23:09, 6 January 2015 (CST)
:::::::::Looks awesome. It's really coming along nicely. For the family categories that remained, we can process a save with no changes on the specific creature pages to get rid of them. It doesn't even show up on the recent changes list. [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39|talk]]) 15:21, 7 January 2015 (CST)
::::::::::Should we mark all the empty categories for deletion to clean up the Category:Creature Families page? [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM1|talk]]) 16:01, 7 January 2015 (CST)
:::::::::::Did you see my email to you, Eric and Wyrom? I don't think marking 200+ empty categories is a good use of time, so if we can get the permissions or if they can take the big hint to go through with it themselves (or assign it out), it will save a ton of work in marking the pages. [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39|talk]]) 15:57, 7 January 2015 (CST)
::::::::::::Got it. Thanks! [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM1|talk]]) 16:01, 7 January 2015 (CST)
:::::::::::::Oh, unless you processed a bunch of the creature pages to get rid of the categories really fast, the rest of the creature family categories disappeared when I (or you) processed an unused category report.

Since you made the individual profession CMAN list pages, I'll defer to your judgment. With sortable charts are they really necessary? With one new CMAN there is an excessive amount of pages to edit, and it seems they are already listed on the individual profession pages. [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39|talk]]) 14:21, 28 February 2015 (CST)
:I agree that they are redundant and can be removed. I am currently adding the CM lists to the pure profession pages. [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM1|talk]]) 14:27, 28 February 2015 (CST)

==Request for review==
Yay! You're active! While you're about, do you mind reviewing this for me before I send it off to GM staff? [[User:VANKRASN39/flare sandbox‎‎]] [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39|talk]]) 14:21, 26 October 2017 (CDT)
:Alas, I'll only be active for a short duration. The article looks great which is no surprise since you always do fantastic work! The only thing I can add (not even sure if you're looking for this type of info) is that holy water flares are random with a rate of approximately 1 per 10 (10%) but I was never able to nail it down precisely and their average critical rank outcomes are a bit higher than standard flares. The higher average critical ranks were an offset to the lower flare rate according to an NIR. And please feel free to edit anything I post so that it aligns with current formatting. Thanks! [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM1|talk]]) 15:16, 26 October 2017 (CDT)

==Feint==
Gnimble pointed out to me that the stance penalty table you added on the [[Feint]] page contradicted the Finer Stance Adjustments section on the [[Stance#Finer Stance Adjustments|Stance]] page. I have no idea which is correct as square mechanics aren't my thing. I'll also pass along to PFLATS who wrote the stance page section, but he's not as reachable at the moment. :) [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39|talk]]) 10:03, 4 January 2018 (CST)
:Thanks for letting me know. I reverted the edit. I only tested the stance change messaging thresholds on creatures but I have no reason to doubt that Gnimble's info is correct. [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM1|talk]]) 11:00, 4 January 2018 (CST)
::Hi Mark! I, Gnimble, just wanted to add that I don't know which is correct, only that I found a discrepancy between the two pages. I think it warrants review or, hopefully, a NIR to come clarify. [[User:GARGADON|Dan]] ([[User talk:GARGADON|talk]]) 10:04, 4 January 2018 (PST)
:::Heya Dan! Feint does indeed affect stance in 1 point increments: (initial stance% - success margin) = current stance%. There is a minor error on the stance page that I'll correct. Thanks for the info. [[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM1|talk]]) 10:48, 5 January 2018 (CST)

==Hello!==
Just dropping in to say hello, my friend, and I'm so glad to see you're still contributing. I'm around for a month if you have any projects for me. [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39|talk]]) 21:29, 6 November 2023 (CST)
:Greetings! How have you been, V? This is serendipitous. I just returned myself a couple of weeks ago. I'm on my 30 day freebie. Not sure how long I'll be staying. I did some critical table editing and added a [[Electrical critical table#Nervous System Critical Table|Nervous System]] table below the [[Electrical critical table]] and corrected some [[UCS]] status effects. I don't really have any specifics projects - just futzing around with this black hole of a bestiary as time permits.[[User:SPYRIDONM1|Mark]] ([[User talk:SPYRIDONM1|talk]]) 19:57, 7 November 2023 (CST)
::Amazing! I'm also doing a free 30 days to attend the Twilight Hall Anniversary. I'm also not sure how long I'll be staying. Last year I signed up during the free months, but didn't get to play much for medical reasons, and I really missed getting my fix for the year. I was hoping to find a fun challenge, maybe I'll look at the disastrous lore chart again :D [[User:VANKRASN39|VANKRASN39]] ([[User talk:VANKRASN39|talk]]) 11:09, 8 November 2023 (CST)

Latest revision as of 11:09, 8 November 2023

Great job with the Unarmed combat system and associated pages! I've featured it as a featured article on the main page. It should help a lot of people. Becca 09:44, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

Just lost my last update on the Curse spell and will have to re-write it. It'd be great if you could be a bit more patient. Thanks. KAGE 20:46, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Back when I was editing, I recall there being a red warning on the top of the page if an edit was being made that would overwrite someone else's edit. It didn't come up very often. I'm kind of thrilled that too many editors is an issue! Becca 08:49, 1 December 2011 (EST)
I wasn't aware that there was such a thing as overwriting. Sorry if I caused you a lot of duplicative work. What I generally do when editing something lengthy is CTRL + A, CTRL + C as I go along. Then if something goes haywire I'll have the bulk of the page saved. Mark 10:44, 1 December 2011 (EST)

You are a great contributor and I'm damned glad you're here. Truly hope you'll help out for years to come. But...but... ; ) My impression is very much that we can't copy things directly from other sources. You did a hella job on 713 Balefire, but chunks of it is copied directly from Strathspey's posts and will need to be re-written a tad. I'd be happy to do it, but it's up to you. KAGE 21:49, 30 November 2011 (EST)

As long as those posts are saved somewhere! I'm not saying you interpreted anything incorrectly, but this wiki is a stupid game of telephone sometimes and it's useful to have the saved posts to point to years down the road. Sometimes there's just no clear way to reword things. I love the new pages! I think they look great! Becca 08:49, 1 December 2011 (EST)
It's very nice to see you pop in from time to time, Becca. Hope all is well. I've rewritten the Balefire page to avoid any possible legal action. We don't need Krakii incarcerated. ;) I see that in the Help page there is specific information about copywrited material and how it should be treated. I'm kinda at a disadvantage since I'm not a wordsmith. My emphasis is primarily on all things related to game mechanics, formulas, critical tables and such. But I will try to better disguise my inappropriate appropriations in the future.:) Mark 10:44, 1 December 2011 (EST)
Getting Krakii incarcerated could be kind of fun, actually. Unless he found out who caused it. We'll have to come up with a devious plan. KAGE 15:54, 1 December 2011 (EST)

I see all these treasure boxes on the critters, and no alchemy specific info. Since those drops are very common, shouldn't that be its own category? ~Vanessa

Early last year (go to the discussions tab on the Template:creature treasure page for the history) the creature treasure template was changed. As a result of that change, all previous treasure entries were hidden from view and could only be seen using the edit function. Additionally, for an editor to add any treasure information became non-trivial. I had, at that time, volunteered to help with the manual update. Well, as so often happens, the project was abandoned midstream and we were left with 400+ creature pages that needed the manual update. I am now going to each page and completing the update as best as I can. I am only adding a limited amount of additional information. My priority is to have the treasure sections in a usable format while simultaneously adding the aforementioned hidden data and deleting the old template references. Mark 22:49, 12 March 2014 (EDT)

Yay! thanks for joining me on the clean up VANKRASN39 16:16, 22 May 2014 (EDT)

Were you planning on doing the Paladin spell pages? VANKRASN39 11:38, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

No, I hadn't. It is the circle I am least familiar with and I believe that DAID (Kaldonis) will likely do the updates. At least that is the impression I have based on his official posts. Mark 13:28, 20 August 2014 (EDT)
Okay, I'll ask him. Seems like one of the 3 of us is going to have to do it. I'm not exactly qualified, either. VANKRASN39 13:47, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

Creature family pages: why do they need to match the official bestiary? VANKRASN39 (talk) 14:48, 6 January 2015 (CST)

Just my opinion but I don't feel that we should place creatures in families that are not original intent. Also, each creature should only be represented on one family page. I know it may seem counterintuitive that a rock troll zombie has the rock troll family classification but is it a rock troll, troll or zombie? It is unique and therefore has a family designation that represents that uniqueness. Mark (talk) 15:16, 6 January 2015 (CST)
See I take the opposite approach, that creatures can be a part of two families and we should seek to make this place better than the official site, which I know has some omissions, like rift crawler. Maybe it is a limitation of the official site that creatures cannot be a part of two families, which we can improve upon here. VANKRASN39 (talk) 15:22, 6 January 2015 (CST)
Okay. I don't have a major objection to this as long as the family field on the creature page uses the official designation and that each family has a page. So, a rock troll zombie would be listed in three family pages (rock troll, troll, zombie). Mark (talk) 16:14, 6 January 2015 (CST)
I'm with you on official designation being on the creature page. Wouldn't rock troll zombie just be part of troll and zombie families? Is there a rock/stone family? Please don't tell me rock and stone would be separate. VANKRASN39 (talk) 16:20, 6 January 2015 (CST)
Rock troll is the official family name. If you go to the GS4 bestiary and Sort by: Family > Search it will list all creatures by alphabetized family names. Mark (talk) 20:40, 6 January 2015 (CST)
Honestly I've never searched, nor know anyone who has searched by family. I've never seen a GM refer to creature family, nor know if it was something considered carefully or just thrown together, seeing as there are rattlesnake and snake families, rodent and rat families (why aren't the rats rodents?). So maybe we should get some input on it. But I would like the wiki to be better than the official site, because that's one of the reasons they brought it over. Not knowing about the family search on the official bestiary, if I clicked on warrior family creatures I would want to see all the warriors, and I would wonder why the Agresh, minotaur, and shan weren't there. That's where I'm coming from :) VANKRASN39 (talk) 22:15, 6 January 2015 (CST)
Your logic is unassailable. I think the obvious candidates could be listed on two family pages such as the warriors, or another example would be ghoul master which is obviously a ghoul but has the family designation of master. I'm on board :) Mark (talk) 22:48, 6 January 2015 (CST)
Have a chart coming up for you in five min, then bed time VANKRASN39 (talk) 23:09, 6 January 2015 (CST)
Looks awesome. It's really coming along nicely. For the family categories that remained, we can process a save with no changes on the specific creature pages to get rid of them. It doesn't even show up on the recent changes list. VANKRASN39 (talk) 15:21, 7 January 2015 (CST)
Should we mark all the empty categories for deletion to clean up the Category:Creature Families page? Mark (talk) 16:01, 7 January 2015 (CST)
Did you see my email to you, Eric and Wyrom? I don't think marking 200+ empty categories is a good use of time, so if we can get the permissions or if they can take the big hint to go through with it themselves (or assign it out), it will save a ton of work in marking the pages. VANKRASN39 (talk) 15:57, 7 January 2015 (CST)
Got it. Thanks! Mark (talk) 16:01, 7 January 2015 (CST)
Oh, unless you processed a bunch of the creature pages to get rid of the categories really fast, the rest of the creature family categories disappeared when I (or you) processed an unused category report.

Since you made the individual profession CMAN list pages, I'll defer to your judgment. With sortable charts are they really necessary? With one new CMAN there is an excessive amount of pages to edit, and it seems they are already listed on the individual profession pages. VANKRASN39 (talk) 14:21, 28 February 2015 (CST)

I agree that they are redundant and can be removed. I am currently adding the CM lists to the pure profession pages. Mark (talk) 14:27, 28 February 2015 (CST)

Request for review

Yay! You're active! While you're about, do you mind reviewing this for me before I send it off to GM staff? User:VANKRASN39/flare sandbox‎‎ VANKRASN39 (talk) 14:21, 26 October 2017 (CDT)

Alas, I'll only be active for a short duration. The article looks great which is no surprise since you always do fantastic work! The only thing I can add (not even sure if you're looking for this type of info) is that holy water flares are random with a rate of approximately 1 per 10 (10%) but I was never able to nail it down precisely and their average critical rank outcomes are a bit higher than standard flares. The higher average critical ranks were an offset to the lower flare rate according to an NIR. And please feel free to edit anything I post so that it aligns with current formatting. Thanks! Mark (talk) 15:16, 26 October 2017 (CDT)

Feint

Gnimble pointed out to me that the stance penalty table you added on the Feint page contradicted the Finer Stance Adjustments section on the Stance page. I have no idea which is correct as square mechanics aren't my thing. I'll also pass along to PFLATS who wrote the stance page section, but he's not as reachable at the moment. :) VANKRASN39 (talk) 10:03, 4 January 2018 (CST)

Thanks for letting me know. I reverted the edit. I only tested the stance change messaging thresholds on creatures but I have no reason to doubt that Gnimble's info is correct. Mark (talk) 11:00, 4 January 2018 (CST)
Hi Mark! I, Gnimble, just wanted to add that I don't know which is correct, only that I found a discrepancy between the two pages. I think it warrants review or, hopefully, a NIR to come clarify. Dan (talk) 10:04, 4 January 2018 (PST)
Heya Dan! Feint does indeed affect stance in 1 point increments: (initial stance% - success margin) = current stance%. There is a minor error on the stance page that I'll correct. Thanks for the info. Mark (talk) 10:48, 5 January 2018 (CST)

Hello!

Just dropping in to say hello, my friend, and I'm so glad to see you're still contributing. I'm around for a month if you have any projects for me. VANKRASN39 (talk) 21:29, 6 November 2023 (CST)

Greetings! How have you been, V? This is serendipitous. I just returned myself a couple of weeks ago. I'm on my 30 day freebie. Not sure how long I'll be staying. I did some critical table editing and added a Nervous System table below the Electrical critical table and corrected some UCS status effects. I don't really have any specifics projects - just futzing around with this black hole of a bestiary as time permits.Mark (talk) 19:57, 7 November 2023 (CST)
Amazing! I'm also doing a free 30 days to attend the Twilight Hall Anniversary. I'm also not sure how long I'll be staying. Last year I signed up during the free months, but didn't get to play much for medical reasons, and I really missed getting my fix for the year. I was hoping to find a fun challenge, maybe I'll look at the disastrous lore chart again :D VANKRASN39 (talk) 11:09, 8 November 2023 (CST)