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For his own reasons, it has forever been [[Fash'lo'nae]]'s wish to see knowledge disseminated among the lesser races of Elanthia. Yet this desire was undermined by mortals trying to guard the Grandfather's greatest arcane gift. The specifics of this spell were hidden away in the libraries of [[Ta'Illistim]] for centuries, but they have resurfaced. And to make up for lost time, Fash'lo'nae has spread the knowledge of this spell as well as the rest of the [[Arcane]] circle across Elanthia like a wildfire.
For his own reasons, it has forever been [[Fash'lo'nae]]'s wish to see knowledge disseminated among the lesser races of Elanthia. Yet this desire was undermined by mortals trying to guard the Grandfather's greatest arcane gift. The specifics of this spell were hidden away in the libraries of [[Ta'Illistim]] for centuries, but they have resurfaced. And to make up for lost time, Fash'lo'nae has spread the knowledge of this spell as well as the rest of the [[Arcane]] circle across Elanthia like a wildfire.


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Another example, if the caster can achieve a 210 endroll (success margin = 110), he can prepare any spell level 25 or lower that is commonly available on scrolls, but the number of times he can cast the spell depends on the spell's level. Choosing a spell of level 7 means the caster can prepare it as many times within 10 minutes as he chooses (110 - 10 = 100). Choosing a spell of 17th level means he can prepare it three times (110 - 60 = 50, 1 + 50/25 = 3).
Another example, if the caster can achieve a 210 endroll (success margin = 110), he can prepare any spell level 25 or lower that is commonly available on scrolls, but the number of times he can cast the spell depends on the spell's level. Choosing a spell of level 7 means the caster can prepare it as many times within 10 minutes as he chooses (110 - 10 = 100). Choosing a spell of 17th level means he can prepare it three times (110 - 60 = 50, 1 + 50/25 = 3).


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==1750 and Imbedding==
==1750 and Imbedding==
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}}''>and if the casters have access to 420, gives imbedding a whole new terrain.''
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<i>>>and if the casters have access to 420, gives imbedding a whole new terrain.</i>


It doesn't grant enhancive knowledge exactly. It just allows you to cast the spells, thus, no extended imbedding capabilities.
It doesn't grant enhancive knowledge exactly. It just allows you to cast the spells, thus, no extended imbedding capabilities.


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==10/21/09 Duration Update==
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}}Spells cast from knowledge obtained by Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) will now calculate their duration using the skill of the same activator as how 1750 was activated. For example, if you use a scroll to invoke 1750 and then decide to cast [[Phoen's Strength (606)]] as your "new" spell, it will use your Arcane Symbols skill rather than [[Ranger Base|Ranger Spell]] Ranks to determine the duration of the spell as if you had cast 606 from a scroll.
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Spells cast from knowledge obtained by Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) will now calculate their duration using the skill of the same activator as how 1750 was activated. For example, if you use a scroll to invoke 1750 and then decide to cast [[Phoen's Strength (606)]] as your "new" spell, it will use your Arcane Symbols skill rather than [[Ranger Base|Ranger Spell]] Ranks to determine the duration of the spell as if you had cast 606 from a scroll.


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==1750 and Infusing==
==1750 and Infusing==
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}}''>I wonder if 1750 will be able to be infused, since it works as a 19th-level spell in rarity. If so, I wonder if sorcerers will refuse to infuse it.''
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<i>>>I wonder if 1750 will be able to be infused, since it works as a 19th-level spell in rarity. If so, I wonder if sorcerers will refuse to infuse it.</i>


The rarity refers to its drop rate, not to its level. It cannot be infused.
The rarity refers to its drop rate, not to its level. It cannot be infused.


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}}''>That the spell cannot be infused is...interesting. Any particular reason you made this so, Oscuro?''
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<i>>>That the spell cannot be infused is...interesting. Any particular reason you made this so, Oscuro?</i>


I didn't make it happen. It's just the nature of a 50th level spell. If you found a scroll with 650, could you infuse that? Last I checked, runes only exist to infuse up to level 20 (and theoretically one exists to infuse up to level 25).
I didn't make it happen. It's just the nature of a 50th level spell. If you found a scroll with 650, could you infuse that? Last I checked, runes only exist to infuse up to level 20 (and theoretically one exists to infuse up to level 25).
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While you may not like 1750, Sorcerers can still infuse 1701-1720 scrolls, so I think that's a pretty big benefit.
While you may not like 1750, Sorcerers can still infuse 1701-1720 scrolls, so I think that's a pretty big benefit.


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}}Spell level penalty assumptions:<br>
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Spell level penalty assumptions:<br>
First 20 levels: 5 per level<br>
First 20 levels: 5 per level<br>
Next 20 levels: 4 per level<br>
Next 20 levels: 4 per level<br>
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}}''>AFAIK Oscuro, no spell above level 19 is commonly available on scrolls anymore, hasn't been for years. So the up to level 25 thing seems... arbitrary.''
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<i>>>AFAIK Oscuro, no spell above level 19 is commonly available on scrolls anymore, hasn't been for years. So the up to level 25 thing seems... arbitrary.</i>


It may seem arbitrary because the [[1720|20th]] and [[1725|25th]] level Arcane spells aren't released yet.
It may seem arbitrary because the [[1720|20th]] and [[1725|25th]] level Arcane spells aren't released yet.


''>There are tons and tons of restrictions on common treasure scrolls. Is there another, looser set of restrictions you are referring to? Or have these restrictions been changed?''

<i>>>There are tons and tons of restrictions on common treasure scrolls. Is there another, looser set of restrictions you are referring to? Or have these restrictions been changed?</i>


"Commonly available on scrolls" means anything generated automatically by the treasure system. I believe someone has been maintaining a [[Spell Collection Guide (scroll infusion)|list of these on Krakiipedia]].
"Commonly available on scrolls" means anything generated automatically by the treasure system. I believe someone has been maintaining a [[Spell Collection Guide (scroll infusion)|list of these on Krakiipedia]].


''>Now, of course, how about fixing [[sorcerer]] training costs, allowing us to triple in [[Arcane Symbols|AS]] (and [[wizard]]s in [[MIU]] for that matter)?''

<i>>>Now, of course, how about fixing [[sorcerer]] training costs, allowing us to triple in [[Arcane Symbols|AS]] (and [[wizard]]s in [[MIU]] for that matter)?</i>


This was discussed when the formula was worked out for the spell (and other future Arcane spells). They were designed where 2x training was the absolute max. Making Sorcerers able to train 3x in AS would only make us rewrite the formulas, require extra training from players to get the same result and force the other 3 pure classes from never seeing the results they had before. So, no, that won't be happening.
This was discussed when the formula was worked out for the spell (and other future Arcane spells). They were designed where 2x training was the absolute max. Making Sorcerers able to train 3x in AS would only make us rewrite the formulas, require extra training from players to get the same result and force the other 3 pure classes from never seeing the results they had before. So, no, that won't be happening.


''>Do you get lore bonuses as if it was a scroll, or as if it was being natively cast?''

<i>>>Do you get lore bonuses as if it was a scroll, or as if it was being natively cast?</i>


The former.
The former.


''>If somebody finds a 1750 item and decides to test it, please consider typing SPELL ALL after casting or otherwise activating spell 1750 and before casting the selected spell.''


''>I would live to see the resulting spell list, assuming it works that way.''
>i>>>If somebody finds a 1750 item and decides to test it, please consider typing SPELL ALL after casting or otherwise activating spell 1750 and before casting the selected spell.

>>I would live to see the resulting spell list, assuming it works that way.</i>


It doesn't.
It doesn't.


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}}''>But I cannot see why anyone, outside of novelty, would want a 1750 scroll, when you can easily just get a scroll with the spell you want on it, for less silver, and get more use out of it.''
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<i>>>But I cannot see why anyone, outside of novelty, would want a 1750 scroll, when you can easily just get a scroll with the spell you want on it, for less silver, and get more use out of it.</i>


Because with a good activation roll you can get "infinite" casts of a variety of spells for a duration rather than on a charge-by-charge basis without having to carry 20 lbs of scrolls.
Because with a good activation roll you can get "infinite" casts of a variety of spells for a duration rather than on a charge-by-charge basis without having to carry 20 lbs of scrolls.
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}}BTW, 1750 has the same percent chance to generate as a level 19 spell from other circles, so it's not <b>more</b> rare, it's <b>as</b> rare.
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BTW, 1750 has the same percent chance to generate as a level 19 spell from other circles, so it's not <b>more</b> rare, it's <b>as</b> rare.


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}}<i>>>But it still costs you the mana that the spell you choose to cast would normally cost, correct?</i>
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<i>>>But it still costs you the mana that the spell you choose to cast would normally cost, correct?</i>


Yes. 1750 allows you to PREP and CAST spells you couldn't normally. It functions exactly the same as prepping and casting the spell would with your given skill set, so keep in mind it doesn't automatically grant spell nativity or give you free spell ranks or anything like that.
Yes. 1750 allows you to PREP and CAST spells you couldn't normally. It functions exactly the same as prepping and casting the spell would with your given skill set, so keep in mind it doesn't automatically grant spell nativity or give you free spell ranks or anything like that.


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}}<i>>>Don't assume it'll be easily to reach the infinite threshold, especially with higher level professional circle spells.</i>
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<i>>>Don't assume it'll be easily to reach the infinite threshold, especially with higher level professional circle spells.</i>


For clarification, the circle doesn't matter, only the spell level. And the formula for which spells you can cast with 1750 is given in the spell description, so there should be no mystery in what one is capable of preparing.
For clarification, the circle doesn't matter, only the spell level. And the formula for which spells you can cast with 1750 is given in the spell description, so there should be no mystery in what one is capable of preparing.


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}}<i>>>So say you don't get to the infinite threshold and only get 4 casts of a spell. Is there a time duration in which you must cast that spell or you lose your 4 banked casts? Or could I set up Haste and save them for emergencies?</i>
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<i>>>So say you don't get to the infinite threshold and only get 4 casts of a spell. Is there a time duration in which you must cast that spell or you lose your 4 banked casts? Or could I set up Haste and save them for emergencies?</i>


Once you've cast 1750, you have 10 minutes of duration regardless of success (the spell ends prematurely if you've met your total number of allowed casts, though). If you miss the infinite threshold, there's no increase in duration. If you make the infinite threshold, you get an extra 1 minute per surplus 10 success margin.
Once you've cast 1750, you have 10 minutes of duration regardless of success (the spell ends prematurely if you've met your total number of allowed casts, though). If you miss the infinite threshold, there's no increase in duration. If you make the infinite threshold, you get an extra 1 minute per surplus 10 success margin.



<i>>>Will there be some messaging that lets you know what you can do and for how long or do I have to figure that out on the fly?</i>
<i>>>Will there be some messaging that lets you know what you can do and for how long or do I have to figure that out on the fly?</i>
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Once you prepare an unknown spell, the messaging reflects whether you made the infinite threshold, have more than one (finite) cast or just one cast.
Once you prepare an unknown spell, the messaging reflects whether you made the infinite threshold, have more than one (finite) cast or just one cast.


<i>>>Could the following spells please be added to scrolls: [[Weapon Fire (915)]], [[Energy Maelstrom (710)]], [[Torment (718)]], [[Dark Catalyst (719)]], [[Camouflage (608)]], [[Call Swarm (615)]], [[Spike Thorn (616)]], [[Divine Vengeance|Divine Vengeance (1613)]], [[Empathic Link (1117)]], [[Stunning Shout (1008)]], [[Song of Unravelling (1013)]], [[Song of Depression (1015)]], [[Song of Rage (1016)]], and [[Immolation (519)]]?</i>

<i>>>Could the following spells please be added to scrolls: [[Weapon Fire (915)]], [[Energy Maelstrom (710)]], [[Torment (718)]], [[Dark Catalyst (719)]], [[Camoflauge (608)]], [[Call Swarm (615)]], [[Spike Thorn (616)]], [[Divine Vengeance|Divine Vengeance (1613)]], [[Empathic Link (1117)]], [[Stunning Shout (1008)]], [[Song of Unravelling (1013)]], [[Song of Depression (1015)]], [[Song of Rage (1016)]], and [[Immolation (519)]]?</i>


I'll bring it up amongst the profession teams, but no promises.
I'll bring it up amongst the profession teams, but no promises.



<i>>>Being able to find [[Mystic Focus (1711)|Mystic Focus]] and [[Spirit Guard (1712)|Spirit Guard]] on scrolls that will be infusable is a nice addition for sure. I do wonder how rare they will make them drop though.</i>
<i>>>Being able to find [[Mystic Focus (1711)|Mystic Focus]] and [[Spirit Guard (1712)|Spirit Guard]] on scrolls that will be infusable is a nice addition for sure. I do wonder how rare they will make them drop though.</i>
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Scrolls generate thematically. Meaning, a scroll will be a "Cleric" scroll or a "Wizard" scroll w/ spells that just that profession could cast. We will now have "Arcane" scrolls. Spells get more rare as you go up in level, but higher level spells are more likely to drop from higher level creatures.
Scrolls generate thematically. Meaning, a scroll will be a "Cleric" scroll or a "Wizard" scroll w/ spells that just that profession could cast. We will now have "Arcane" scrolls. Spells get more rare as you go up in level, but higher level spells are more likely to drop from higher level creatures.



<i>>>I'm already drooling on his tome for sure...any hints Oscuro # of uses per day?</i>
<i>>>I'm already drooling on his tome for sure...any hints Oscuro # of uses per day?</i>


One.
One.



<i>>>It would be nice if 1750 had amazing unique effects, like being able to cast certain non-treasure dropped spells.</i>
<i>>>It would be nice if 1750 had amazing unique effects, like being able to cast certain non-treasure dropped spells.</i>
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It can be.
It can be.


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}}<i>>>Just to clarify, for durations based on AS/MIU ranks, will this take BOTH into account? So if I had 202 ranks of each, that would count as 404 ranks for the duration?</i>
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<i>>>Just to clarify, for durations based on AS/MIU ranks, will this take BOTH into account? So if I had 202 ranks of each, that would count as 404 ranks for the duration?</i>


It uses the method of activation. So if you INVOKE, it uses AS. If you use another activator, it uses MIU.
It uses the method of activation. So if you INVOKE, it uses AS. If you use another activator, it uses MIU.


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}}Why wouldn't armor hindrance apply like usual? If you wear brigandine and cast [[Haste (506)]] through the use of 1750, you still use the 500s circle hindrance. These conspiracy theories are really getting old.
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Why wouldn't armor hindrance apply like usual? If you wear brigandine and cast [[Haste (506)]] through the use of 1750, you still use the 500s circle hindrance. These conspiracy theories are really getting old.


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[[Category:Arcane Spells]]
[[Category:Arcane Spells]]

Latest revision as of 12:20, 29 March 2017

Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 3206
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 10/13/2009 11:56:02 PM
Subject: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!


For his own reasons, it has forever been Fash'lo'nae's wish to see knowledge disseminated among the lesser races of Elanthia. Yet this desire was undermined by mortals trying to guard the Grandfather's greatest arcane gift. The specifics of this spell were hidden away in the libraries of Ta'Illistim for centuries, but they have resurfaced. And to make up for lost time, Fash'lo'nae has spread the knowledge of this spell as well as the rest of the Arcane circle across Elanthia like a wildfire.

The spell, Fash'lo'nae's Gift, grants ultimate arcane knowledge to the caster. It allows the caster to prepare a spell he would not normally know. The spell must be commonly found on scrolls in the treasure system. The maximum spell level that can be prepared is 5 + (success margin/5). The caster can prepare the spell one time, but gains additional opportunities to prepare it for every 25 success margin beyond the minimum required to prepare the spell.

If the caster is able to activate Fash'lo'nae's Gift with extreme success, a 100 success margin beyond the minimum required to prepare the selected spell, the caster can prepare the spell as many times as he desires for 10 minutes. This duration is increased by one minute for every 10 more success margin.

For example, if the caster is able to achieve a 120 endroll (success margin = 20) when activating Fash'lo'nae's Gift, he can then prepare a spell of level 9 or lower once (5 + 20/5 = 9).

Another example, if the caster can achieve a 210 endroll (success margin = 110), he can prepare any spell level 25 or lower that is commonly available on scrolls, but the number of times he can cast the spell depends on the spell's level. Choosing a spell of level 7 means the caster can prepare it as many times within 10 minutes as he chooses (110 - 10 = 100). Choosing a spell of 17th level means he can prepare it three times (110 - 60 = 50, 1 + 50/25 = 3).

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1750 and Imbedding

Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 3209
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 10/14/2009 12:08:31 AM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

>and if the casters have access to 420, gives imbedding a whole new terrain.

It doesn't grant enhancive knowledge exactly. It just allows you to cast the spells, thus, no extended imbedding capabilities.

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10/21/09 Duration Update

Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Arcane Spells
Message #: 144
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 10/20/2009 10:20:16 PM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

Spells cast from knowledge obtained by Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) will now calculate their duration using the skill of the same activator as how 1750 was activated. For example, if you use a scroll to invoke 1750 and then decide to cast Phoen's Strength (606) as your "new" spell, it will use your Arcane Symbols skill rather than Ranger Spell Ranks to determine the duration of the spell as if you had cast 606 from a scroll.

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1750 and Infusing

Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 3251
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 10/14/2009 9:26:21 AM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

>I wonder if 1750 will be able to be infused, since it works as a 19th-level spell in rarity. If so, I wonder if sorcerers will refuse to infuse it.

The rarity refers to its drop rate, not to its level. It cannot be infused.

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Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 3259
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 10/14/2009 9:39:44 AM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

>That the spell cannot be infused is...interesting. Any particular reason you made this so, Oscuro?

I didn't make it happen. It's just the nature of a 50th level spell. If you found a scroll with 650, could you infuse that? Last I checked, runes only exist to infuse up to level 20 (and theoretically one exists to infuse up to level 25).

>>I thought you mentioned sorcerers should "be looking forward to the 1700's circle." This looks to be more of use to those who can 2x Arcane Circles who aren't sorcerers; Wizards, Empaths, and Clerics.

While you may not like 1750, Sorcerers can still infuse 1701-1720 scrolls, so I think that's a pretty big benefit.

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Fleur's Math

Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 3438
Author: LADYFLEUR
Date: 10/15/2009 9:01:52 AM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

Spell level penalty assumptions:
First 20 levels: 5 per level
Next 20 levels: 4 per level
Next 20 levels: 3 per level

For the average capped player in my example with 202 ranks AS or MIU, 25 INT, LOG, AUR, WIS bonuses, the base modifier would be approximately (on the slightly higher end):

INT bonus + LOG bonus + scroll skill + average(AUR, WIS, LOG) - (20*5 + 20*4 + 10*3)
= 25 + 25 + 302 + 25 - (20*5 + 20*4 + 10*3)
= 167 + d100

Put another way, below is a table showing each possible d100 roll, resulting success margin (SM), maximum spell level guaranteed to be able to be cast (MSL), and number of times a level X spell can be cast, given that d100 roll.

d100 roll SM MSL 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
1 68 18 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 - - - - - - - -
2 69 18 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 - - - - - - - -
3 70 19 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 - - - - - - -
4 71 19 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 - - - - - - -
5 72 19 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 - - - - - - -
6 73 19 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 - - - - - - -
7 74 19 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 - - - - - - -
8 75 20 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 - - - - - -
9 76 20 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 - - - - - -
10 77 20 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 - - - - - -
11 78 20 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 - - - - - -
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-Fleurs

Note: Last time I am posting these tables, they are a ridiculous pain to format and enter :)

Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 3494
Author: LADYFLEUR
Date: 10/15/2009 4:20:56 PM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

For the capped player with 202 AS/MIU ranks and max stat, the % chance of casting a level X spell AT ALL and % chance of casting a level X spell unlimited times:

spell level 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
% chance 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 98 93 88 83 78 73 68
% unlimited 68 68 68 68 68 63 58 53 48 43 38 33 28 23 18 13 8 3 - - - - - - -


-Fleurs

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Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 3227
Author: GS4-ESTILD
Date: 10/14/2009 1:18:45 AM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

Since I don't have a scroll of this to test with, do the castings of spells obtained via 1750 work with Spell Modifiers such as Rapid Fire or Spirit Slayer? -GRANTA

It will work with Spirit Slayer (240), but not with Rapid Fire (515).


And how does it determine native CS and/or spell ranks for spells?
Normal methods, just as it is on normal scrolls?
So my CS with offensive spells gained from 1750 still sucks? And I can't spikethorn anything, because of no ranger ranks? Or iz it different??

Just like invoking said spell off a scroll. If you don't have the profession spell ranks to boost the spell, this isn't going to change it.


I think 1750 is meant to be a special, extremely rare scroll that can still be actually found in the treasure system.-Adam

Correct. It has the same rarity as level 19 spells that will generate on scrolls.

GameMaster Estild
Cleric/Empath Team

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Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 3241
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 10/14/2009 9:08:42 AM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

>AFAIK Oscuro, no spell above level 19 is commonly available on scrolls anymore, hasn't been for years. So the up to level 25 thing seems... arbitrary.

It may seem arbitrary because the 20th and 25th level Arcane spells aren't released yet.

>There are tons and tons of restrictions on common treasure scrolls. Is there another, looser set of restrictions you are referring to? Or have these restrictions been changed?

"Commonly available on scrolls" means anything generated automatically by the treasure system. I believe someone has been maintaining a list of these on Krakiipedia.

>Now, of course, how about fixing sorcerer training costs, allowing us to triple in AS (and wizards in MIU for that matter)?

This was discussed when the formula was worked out for the spell (and other future Arcane spells). They were designed where 2x training was the absolute max. Making Sorcerers able to train 3x in AS would only make us rewrite the formulas, require extra training from players to get the same result and force the other 3 pure classes from never seeing the results they had before. So, no, that won't be happening.

>Do you get lore bonuses as if it was a scroll, or as if it was being natively cast?

The former.

>If somebody finds a 1750 item and decides to test it, please consider typing SPELL ALL after casting or otherwise activating spell 1750 and before casting the selected spell.

>I would live to see the resulting spell list, assuming it works that way.

It doesn't.

- GM Oscuro -

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Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 3242
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 10/14/2009 9:11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

>But I cannot see why anyone, outside of novelty, would want a 1750 scroll, when you can easily just get a scroll with the spell you want on it, for less silver, and get more use out of it.

Because with a good activation roll you can get "infinite" casts of a variety of spells for a duration rather than on a charge-by-charge basis without having to carry 20 lbs of scrolls.

- GM Oscuro -

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Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 3243
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 10/14/2009 9:11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

BTW, 1750 has the same percent chance to generate as a level 19 spell from other circles, so it's not more rare, it's as rare.

- GM Oscuro -

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Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 3245
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 10/14/2009 9:15:38 AM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

>>But it still costs you the mana that the spell you choose to cast would normally cost, correct?

Yes. 1750 allows you to PREP and CAST spells you couldn't normally. It functions exactly the same as prepping and casting the spell would with your given skill set, so keep in mind it doesn't automatically grant spell nativity or give you free spell ranks or anything like that.

- GM Oscuro -

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Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Magic Systems
Message #: 3271
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 10/14/2009 10:03:22 AM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

>>Don't assume it'll be easily to reach the infinite threshold, especially with higher level professional circle spells.

For clarification, the circle doesn't matter, only the spell level. And the formula for which spells you can cast with 1750 is given in the spell description, so there should be no mystery in what one is capable of preparing.

- GM Oscuro -

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Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Arcane Spells
Message #: 5
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 10/14/2009 12:56:46 PM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

>>So say you don't get to the infinite threshold and only get 4 casts of a spell. Is there a time duration in which you must cast that spell or you lose your 4 banked casts? Or could I set up Haste and save them for emergencies?

Once you've cast 1750, you have 10 minutes of duration regardless of success (the spell ends prematurely if you've met your total number of allowed casts, though). If you miss the infinite threshold, there's no increase in duration. If you make the infinite threshold, you get an extra 1 minute per surplus 10 success margin.

>>Will there be some messaging that lets you know what you can do and for how long or do I have to figure that out on the fly?

Once you prepare an unknown spell, the messaging reflects whether you made the infinite threshold, have more than one (finite) cast or just one cast.

>>Could the following spells please be added to scrolls: Weapon Fire (915), Energy Maelstrom (710), Torment (718), Dark Catalyst (719), Camouflage (608), Call Swarm (615), Spike Thorn (616), Divine Vengeance (1613), Empathic Link (1117), Stunning Shout (1008), Song of Unravelling (1013), Song of Depression (1015), Song of Rage (1016), and Immolation (519)?

I'll bring it up amongst the profession teams, but no promises.

>>Being able to find Mystic Focus and Spirit Guard on scrolls that will be infusable is a nice addition for sure. I do wonder how rare they will make them drop though.

Yes, it's a big reason why I'm so glad Estild was able to release this circle. :)

Scrolls generate thematically. Meaning, a scroll will be a "Cleric" scroll or a "Wizard" scroll w/ spells that just that profession could cast. We will now have "Arcane" scrolls. Spells get more rare as you go up in level, but higher level spells are more likely to drop from higher level creatures.

>>I'm already drooling on his tome for sure...any hints Oscuro # of uses per day?

One.

>>It would be nice if 1750 had amazing unique effects, like being able to cast certain non-treasure dropped spells.

This was discussed at length during its design and we settled on the existing design to avoid profession-infringement. The best bet to adding spells to the list 1750 will cast is to lobby for more spells to get added to the scrolls distributed by the treasure system as SARDINUS did above.


>>It almost makes you wish there was an Arcane Lore that you could get via enhancive items which gives you more perks via the Arcane Circle.

Just as Fash'lo'nae's Gift's success is based off the activation roll, I think you'll find that Arcane Symbols and/or Magic Item Use will be the main skill factors in Arcane spells. So, it's sorta your Arcane Lore.


>>This opens 1750 up to semis, squares, half- or single-trained capped pures, and non-capped pures. Spells above 10 work as described.

The activation formula was designed to only reward characters with minimally 100 ranks of AS/MIU. The Arcane Circle is primarily meant to be a boon to people who focus heavily on those two skills. Lower level spells in the circle will not have as high a requirement for success as 1750, however.


>>Allow the spell to be found on magical items (If not available in that form already).

It can be.

- GM Oscuro -

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Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Arcane Spells
Message #: 7
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 10/14/2009 1:02:34 PM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

>>Just to clarify, for durations based on AS/MIU ranks, will this take BOTH into account? So if I had 202 ranks of each, that would count as 404 ranks for the duration?

It uses the method of activation. So if you INVOKE, it uses AS. If you use another activator, it uses MIU.

- GM Oscuro -

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Category: Magic Spells/Systems
Topic: Arcane Spells
Message #: 19
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 10/14/2009 1:45:30 PM
Subject: Re: Fash'lo'nae's Gift (1750) Released!

Why wouldn't armor hindrance apply like usual? If you wear brigandine and cast Haste (506) through the use of 1750, you still use the 500s circle hindrance. These conspiracy theories are really getting old.

- GM Oscuro -

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