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Revision as of 05:09, 26 July 2012
Simucon Announcement
Topic: Developer's Corner - Monks
Message #: 1128
Author: SHADOWTHEFT
Date: 7/13/2010 6:46:55 PM
Subject: Re: Simucon Monk Information...
>http://www.nilandia.com/simucon10.htm
A correction:
b) Three tiers
i) Start with jab, based on success go into new tier, up to 3
You do not have to start with a jab to progress up the tier chart. You can start with a kick or a grapple, etc. However, they are slower, and not as effective in terms of jump starting the tier train.
As an aside, unarmed combat will require an open left hand. While messaging may state that a character is fighting with two fists or feet, training in TWC is not required (and apparently will not help to raise DS either if you get it anyway), as the unarmed combat system will have its own means of calculating DS. However, if you opt to use Brawling weapons, TWC would then be required to swingeroo - as it currently is now.
~Eugenides, The Last
Holding shields will cause a penalty
Topic: So You Want to be a Cleric?
Message #: 2986
Author: SHADOWTHEFT
Date: 7/28/2010 4:34:24 PM
Subject: Re: Thinking about rolling up a cleric
>At this point, I figure using a runestaff is pretty non-mainstream as a cleric. Most clerics, especially upper-level ones tend to brawl/shield anyway. -LORDKRIP
My thoughts as well. I'm not going to go into much detail about it, since we still need to work everything out internally, but it was announced at SimuCon that the Unarmed Combat System would not work while holding a shield. So the brawl/shield method will only be viable until then.
GameMaster Estild
Cleric/Empath Team
Re: voln fu
Topic: Voln - General Discussion
Message #: 387
Author: GS4-FINROS
Date: 10/05/2011 03:19 AM EDT
Subject: Re: voln fu
The focus is whether or not the proposed new unarmed combat system will render Voln unarmed combat unviable or obsolete.
It will render Voln Fu nonexistent. The current throw, punch, and kick mechanics will be entirely replaced by the new UCS.
Re: Katars
Topic: Developer's Corner - Monks
Message #: 477
Author: GS4-ESTILD
Date: 07/09/2012 10:26 PM EDT
Subject: Re: Katars
The specific weapons that do work with the unarmed combat system were selected because they don't significantly modify how an attack would be performed if you used or didn't use the weapon. Katars significantly alter how you would perform an attack. The brawling weapons that do work with the unarmed combat system have a penalty to hit, but a bonus to the damage they deal. Special gloves and boots are available for the unarmed combat system that also offer the same enchant (and flare) bonuses, but have no penalty for use.
GameMaster Estild
Cleric/Empath Team
Re: Crit/Damage Weighting
Topic: Unarmed Combat
Message #: 46
Author: GS4-FINROS
Date: 07/11/2012 03:34 AM EDT
Subject: Re: Crit/Damage Weighting
>Just curious how critical and damage weighting on a brawling weapon affects UAC attacks. I've got a nice crit weighted knuckle duster to play around with.
Weighting works the same in the UCS as it does in melee combat.
>It was my impression that both flares and weighting were active with the UCS friendly brawling weapons.
Just about all weapon special abilities should have a similar (not necessarily identical) effect in the UCS as they do in melee.
Re: Tier Timer
Topic: Unarmed Combat
Message #: 159
Author: GS4-FINROS
Date: 07/17/2012 03:11 AM EDT
Subject: Re: Tier Timer
>How long does a tier level last?
Two minutes, which refreshes with every attack whether it connects or not.
Re: Brawling Weapon DF Bonuses and MM Penalties
Topic: Unarmed Combat
Message #: 477
Author: GS4-FINROS
Date: 07/17/2012 03:11 AM EDT
Subject: Re: Brawling Weapon DF Bonuses and MM Penalties
>1) If I have no training in two weapon combat, can I use two weapons for UAC and get the stacked DF bonus and MM penalty?
You don't need TWC training to use multiple pieces of equipment in a single UCS attack.
>2) If I am using my Voln ability to hunt undead with UAC, do these held brawling weapons need to be blessed?
If you want those weapons to confer any special abilities on the undead, then yes. You can always strike them with the appropriate Voln rank, but the equipment may hinder rather than help when it isn't blessed as well.
>3) If these held brawling weapons have an enchant (say 4x for each yierka spur I'm holding), does the 8x of enchant get added to my MM to help offset the MM penalty for using the weapons in UAC?
Weapon enchant helps with UAF, not MM. Held weapons contribute half of their average enchant to your final UAF, and thus two 4x weapons would give (((20 + 20) / 2) / 2) = +10 to UAF.
>4) What do UAC gloves and boots provide in terms of UAC benefits or DS?
Gloves and boots provide their full enchant to your UAF on the appropriate attack type, and contribute whatever special abilities they have, such as flares or weighting. They don't have any defensive attributes.
In general, you'll be better off without held weapons.
>Just to be clear with the Voln step 8 blessed attacks power. Your gloves/boots do not have to be blessed, but any held UCS weapons do need to be blessed. Aye?
When you have reached Kai's Strike, you will always be able to hit undead with an unarmed attack. Equipment which cannot hit the undead will not confer any benefit to the attack. In the case of gloves and boots, there is no penalty. In the case of held brawling weapons, there will be a penalty because they are not being used in the attack.
If you're messaged about a weapon hindering your attack, it is giving you zero offensive benefit, and some amount of penalty.
Re: Aim Clear Reminder
Topic: Unarmed Combat
Message #:
Author: GS4-FINROS
Date: 07/18/2012
Subject: Re: Aiming
Clear your AIM point. That is what gives you the failed opening attacks, and the extra RT for every strike. When you see the "precise attempt" attack messages with the UCS, it means that you're aiming.
Re: Kai's Smite
Topic: Unarmed Combat
Message #:
Author: GS4-FINROS
Date: 07/18/2012
Subject: Re: SMITE THEM!
>Speaking of which, Finros, is there any possibility of having it tweaked to stun more often? Or are we just not finding the good ways to stun, yet?
There are plenty of stuns built into the system, though many creatures are immune to stuns. Low tiers are less likely to see those stuns, however.
>About using smite, I would prefer not to have to use a symbol for every single creature.
Voln users should be using SMITE regularly among their mix of UCS attacks. It does not cost favor. Treat it as any other UCS attack and use it at the right time.
>Kai's Smite uses favor; Kai's strike doesn't. I tried using this symbol (Kai's Smite) 3 times and each time the noncorp returned to its ethereal state before I was out of the 4 second casting RT.
It has a minimum duration of 5 seconds. You'll find that it has longer durations when you've gone up in tier.
7/26/12 Unarmed Combat Changes
Topic: Unarmed Combat
Message #: 322
Author: GS4-FINROS
Date: 07/26/2012 03:42 AM EDT
Subject: Unarmed Combat Updates and FIXSKILLS Opportunity
In response to concerns about Unarmed Combat, some changes have just been released.
1.) Armor penalties for UCS attacks are now half of their former value.
2.) Held item penalties for UCS attacks have been divided into two components. All non-UCS items held in the hand impose a base penalty. Weapons and shields impose an additional penalty which may be mitigated by training in the appropriate skill. A training regimen of 2x ranks per level in the appropriate weapon or shield skill will fully eliminate the additional penalty, and 8 magical ranks per level will fully eliminate the additional penalty for a runestaff.
3.) UCS compatible gloves now add their enchant bonus to parry DS in the same way as a one-handed weapon.
4.) An empty left hand now provides parry DS similar to that of a main gauche or sai, for those characters trained in brawling and Two Weapon Combat.
5.) Brace (1214) now allows two chances to outright parry an attack for double open handed combatants trained in two weapon combat.
6.) The Punch, Grapple, and Kick Mastery combat maneuvers are now available to warriors and rogues as well as monks.
An additional FIXSKILLS opportunity is now available for all characters so that training may be adjusted accordingly.