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Animalistic Spirit Shield iteminfo

User_talk:GS4ALASTIR: Hi, Alastir. Thank you very much for contributing so many different things to the various item script pages! Just as a head's up, I rolled back one of your changes made a while ago to the Animalistic Spirit Shield page, where you had accidentally removed the iteminfo section. I have added back in the iteminfo section so that it properly displays; it's actually an important template to keep in place for scripted items as it helps populate other categories on the wiki, making it easier to cross-reference related things. Thanks for understanding! HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 09:55, 21 June 2022 (CDT)

Category: Marked for Deletion

User talk:WINTERDAWN: Thank you for all of the contributions you've made toward archiving all of the Elanthian Journals! Just as a reminder, please use [[Category:Marked for Deletion]] on a page when you would like it deleted. I went ahead and deleted the Journal pages you had cleared and replaced with the text, "Things to be deleted by Simu Admin." because your intent appeared to be very clear, however using the Category instead would make it easier for any mods to see those pages as part of weekly patrols for page deletion requests. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 10:39, 7 July 2022 (CDT)

Shoot. I was doing {{category... sorry about that! Also, sorry about the extra set of deletes that I created. I hope it wasn't too time consuming :| WINTERDAWN (talk) 13:01, 7 July 2022 (CDT)

That's okay! It wasn't too time consuming. I just wanted to remind you about it for the future. Thank you again for all of your contributions!HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 09:37, 8 July 2022 (CDT)

Requesting Clarification

User_talk:FIREPHOENIX: Thank you for all of your contributions to preserving the-ever expanding game lore! I have a question regarding your recent edit to Ithzir_language_(essay). Do you have the original author's permission to upload "Part 5" to the essay? I did not see you noting that anywhere on the essay's talk page (Talk:Ithzir_language_(essay)). When uploading someone else's work to the wiki on their behalf, it is important to note that on an individual creative work's talk page so that we have a clear understanding that permission was given by them. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 10:34, 14 July 2022 (CDT)

I can confirm with Dergoaten shortly since he's an active player, unsure how to post approval, but it's been confirmed and directed towards https://gswiki.play.net/Ithzir_Genesis for the most current details FIREPHOENIX (talk) 23:26, 15 July 2022 (CDT)

Dergoatean — Today at 11:16 PM

Hi, you absolutely have my permission

Thank you very much! HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 08:36, 20 July 2022 (CDT)

Moving Saved Posts

User_talk:FIREPHOENIX: I just wanted to give you a head's up that I am moving and consolidating some saved posts on the wiki that don't meet the current Style Guide standards for saved posts. Most of them are being moved to the "/saved posts" subpage of relevant questlines, and I am updating any broken links made as a result of these moves. I didn't want to worry you with the sudden rearranging of data and related page deletion since they include a few of the saved posts that you have archived with your ongoing efforts to preserve game history. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 11:40, 21 July 2022 (CDT)

Wood Rarity Template Links

User talk:WINTERDAWN: Hi, WINTERDAWN. I just wanted to give you a head's up on why I reverted your changes to Template:Wood_Rarity_and_Use to remove the redlined links added. The additional links were all to existing real world trees that are not unique to Elanthia. While it is certainly fine for someone to eventually make pages for individual trees and add those links back in to the template, none of the trees with redlined links had anything unique to them in an Elanthian setting apart from their real world equivalents. Hopefully that helps clarify! HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 10:43, 26 July 2022 (CDT)

Merchant NPC Pages

User_talk:ECHEAUX: Hi, ECHEAUX. Thank you for your many contributions to the wiki! Getting a lot of the information related to the ongoing Ebon Gate festival out there while it is still running is a big help to other players. Just as a head's up, I have reverted some of the updates you made to various merchant NPC pages. These are largely restricted to where historical information was removed, such as festival venues or various towns where the merchants have worked. I wanted to drop you a note to explain why those changes were reverted so that you weren't surprised by them.

I also have a question regarding the recent updates that you made to Template:Merchants and related updates to various merchant NPC pages. Looking at the template, it seems like the "venue" section is now much more restricted than before, limited to only a very small list of festivals instead of being more free form as it was in the past. Is that intended or just an oversight? We have so many different festival venues that limiting which ones the template could be used for seems counterproductive, especially if it means that historical information is not preserved. It also looks like you have added a "town" as a new section, which can only have one entry. Is "town" intended to be the merchant's home town? Or is it intended to be the town they most often work in among the various towns they frequent? Thank you for any insight you can offer. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 10:56, 26 October 2022 (CDT)

Works in Progress

User_talk:ECHEAUX: Hi there, ECHEAUX. I am slowly working through patrols of item script page updates, which I know you focused heavily on late last year. It looks like on several of them, mostly ones from October and November, you included the work-in-progress template to indicate you are still working on the pages, however many of them do not appear to have any recent updates in the past month+. While I don't believe these are all of them, they include AYRWT?, Flask belt, Ritualistic tool, and a few others that look like they were from last year's Ebon Gate festival. Are you still actively working on some of these pages? If not, I'll remove the WIP template as I do the patrols to let other users know they are open for editing again. Thanks again for everything you do to help add to the wiki! HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 08:29, 10 January 2023 (CST)

I have responded to your question on my discussion page.ECHEAUX (talk) 10:59, 10 January 2023 (CST)

I have responded to your response :) ECHEAUX (talk) 11:57, 10 January 2023 (CST)

Character Page Updates and Uploaded Image

User talk:CRIMSONOCEAN84: Hi there! I noticed that you made updates to the character page for Porom (prime) recently to add an image. Based on the page's update history, you are not the original creator for the page and have not edited it until this most recent image update. Per the GS Wiki standards, character pages should not be edited by anyone other than their player. The best practice would be to include a note on the article's [[1]] page saying that you have permission from the player to edit the character page. If you are the same player behind both accounts, you can just note that instead.

In addition, I noticed that you did not include the artist or copyright information on the page itself the image File:Porom FULL.jpg that was recently updated for it. This appears to be a duplicate file at a different resolution of File:Porom mysidia by suchjadedbeauty dfm4r3h-fullview.jpg, which is properly attributed to an artist. Please see Help:Style#Copyrights for more information about the requirement to provide the source and artist name for all images uploaded to GSwiki. I you need an example of how to do this, the character page Arenglae (prime) does this very clearly for all of the portraits. Unfortunately simply stating that you own the copyright to the image is not sufficient. Thanks for understanding! I'll check back in soon to see if this information has been updated. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 10:37, 10 January 2023 (CST)

Page Moves

User talk:ECHEAUX: Hi, ECHEAUX. I noticed that when you set up the item script page for the Grooming locket, you did so by moving one of your test/sandbox pages with a substantial edit history to the current page. In doing so, that also had the the effect of moving the entire page history for your test page, which included a large number of edits stemming from when you were testing out formatting for other item scripts unrelated to the Grooming locket. While the wiki team is very glad that you're using your test/sandbox pages to try out new things, the best practice in this instance would be to just cut and paste the source code from your test page into a newly created item page instead of moving it from your sandbox if there are unrelated edits in the test page's history. I know that you're very well versed in wiki use at this point, but if you'd like, I can help with that process for the Grooming locket page. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 09:49, 7 February 2023 (CST)

Responded ECHEAUX (talk) 12:32, 7 February 2023 (CST)

Talk Pages vs Articles

User talk:WINTERDAWN: Hi, WINTERDAWN. I am reaching out to you because I am reverting back the edits on Northern Sentinel's Decree on the Imperial Protection of Wehnimer's Landing to include the full text of the letter instead of omitting portions of it. Could you help me understand why you removed portions of the letter? I understand that you also put the log of the letter being read aloud in game on the page's Talk page. However, the purpose of a Talk page is to provide notes about the main article, such as indicating permission to share something on behalf of another person, sharing incomplete research information, or asking a question/seeking clarification about the text of an article. Talk pages are not intended to be used as supplementary articles, nor should articles omit relevant information for the sake of sharing it on a Talk page. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 09:42, 8 February 2023 (CST)

So there are two separate authors here: myself and WBURKE.

When I first came across the letter as relayed by Cordarius, in user LEAFIARA's log, I thought, "this is very useful information that should probably be more accessible than in the middle of a log." However, it was late, and I was not necessarily wanting to embark on a lengthy project at the time, and so I literally just copy/pasted it into a separate wiki page (the awkwardly named one I marked for deletion).

Soon after this, user WBURKE created a page to document the information relayed by that letter. The desire of my page was "here's the log so it's easier to find, maybe it'll be made nicer one day." The desire of their page was to focus on the specific points of interest in that letter. My focus was "here's the letter in full" while their focus was "here's the bullet points with regards to the Empire and Wehnimer's Landing." What they created is what I wanted the log to eventually turn into.

I still felt it useful to have the log around, though, and so dumped it on the discussion page as I don't know where else to put it.

As an aside, based on how this wiki is used, both in the past and currently, I feel that the discussion page is a fine spot for these types of things. On other wikis yes, you can have very lengthy conversations about the topics you listed, but that just doesn't really happen here on this one.

Based on those guidelines we would need to move this content: Talk:Sanctify (330) and Talk:Introduction to the Confluence#The Mentor Event Itself. I feel that these bits, that are relevant to their pages, would detract from the pages themselves if added. The Sanctify content would just muddy the page and the Confluence content has no relevance on the guide itself. The Sanctify content would be easy enough to break out into it's own guide I guess, and I guess the Confluence content could just be added to my user page or something. /shrug

Anyways, just my thoughts. At the end of the day you're the boss on this stuff so I acquiesce to what you feel is best :)

WINTERDAWN (talk) 16:58, 8 February 2023 (CST)

Uploaded Image Patrol

Moved to User:HOST-GSKEBECHET/Image patrols.

Elanthian Journals

By chance are you able to see the old Elanthian Journal pages that were deleted? I just realized.. one thing I never did is check each one to see what linked to them. I just found a page that linked to a Journal :| WINTERDAWN (talk) 16:52, 12 August 2022 (CDT)

Unfortunately, no. Once a page is deleted, it is gone-gone. However, I was able to pull up a list of broken links and adjusted seven pages that appeared to reference the old Elanthian Journal pages. That should hopefully have caught any others that were overlooked! HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 09:45, 16 August 2022 (CDT)

Thank you for this! Sorry for the extra work. WINTERDAWN (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2022 (CDT)

Very welcome! Thank you for bringing up the potential of broken links. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 08:14, 17 August 2022 (CDT)

Merchants template

I cobbled that template together in 2019, as a pet project, when things were a little more relaxed. So many people were "remember that one merchant? Where were they?? What did they look like??", that it felt like a good addition. Anyway, it was a build based on a template someone else had done, as you've likely read. I had planned on continuing work on it, then COVID hit and I turned into a homeschool teacher for two young teenagers.

Venues: the primary reason I changed those venues was because it was putting so many merchants into categories that didn't exist, and may not have been the best one for them to go into at the time. By restricting category to "wandering" and others that already had a category made, it cut down on "red links"; wandering moved them into a common category and could be changed later. Generally speaking, if they had a mention in their blurb as to what venue they attended, I removed the category that was causing a red link, although any that did not were likely an oversight (the notable exception being Elsia - I forgot to research her item, Fancy Coats, so I could add the venue).

Towns: it was my intention to adapt the template to allow them to be placed into the category for that town. An example would be citizen-only merchants such as Duvernith or Davro. I admittedly got wrapped up in EG item-adding and had not gotten back to fixing the "town" venue to populate into town pages instead of Town NPCs, a category that doesn't exist, so I just left town uncategorized for the time being.

Many of those merchants I added myself with no real idea of what venues they had visited, in that hopes of at least having an appearance and a basic blurb to be expanded upon later. I had intended to continue with the work after EG and add category pages where appropriate. That section of the template might get pretty long for particularly industrious merchants! Wandering seemed like a good fit if they didn't have what might be considered a "primary festival" (for example, I wouldn't be surprised to see Elusionari in a lot of places!).

That said, I get that once you add a template, you basically lose any claim to it being "yours". However, no one else really took an interest in it, and I was told it would need work anyway, so I figured I was all right to try to adapt it to not use non-existent categories for the time being, since many (most?) of them had venue linked in the blurb or the body of the article. (TL:DR yet? LOL)ECHEAUX (talk) 12:09, 26 October 2022 (CDT)

Table updates

Hello! As I'm sure you've noticed, I've been going through and updating older items to the newer templates. A lot of them are simple, but some of them require more time; much more time in some cases. For those, fortunately, a lot them are more or less copy and paste for the verb lists with a few minor tweaks. I noticed that on a couple of them you've gone back and added in formatting for data tables for accessibility purposes. I read up on that today and I'll be sure to add that going forward, but I was wondering: Is there a way you are finding those that need it or are you just kind of seeing them as I'm doing them? I'd be more than happy to go back correct the formatting on those, but if there's a way I can find them more "wholesale" than "piecemeal", that would make the job easier. ECHEAUX (talk) 17:40, 9 November 2022 (CST)

Hi there! Part of my duties as one of our wiki mods are to review recent page changes to ensure that they are appropriate to the wiki, are accurate, are appropriately named as a page or subpage, and that they generally comply with the wiki style guide. So you'll see me doing things like updating pages to use new template standards, moving pages that aren't named properly, fixing redirects or broken links, updating categories, reviewing pages listed in Category:Marked for Deletion, and similar "moderator" type duties focused on overall wiki consistency that are not expected of general users who instead are adding new content to the wiki. One of the standards set out by the style guide and the wiki team is to ensure that the wiki is as accessible as possible to everyone, including our users who rely on a screen reader. If I run across any pages during my patrols that don't meet current standards, including tables that are not set up in a way for screen readers to properly capture, part of my job as a moderator is to update them accordingly. Since you have been incredibly active on the wiki over the past couple of months, I am much more likely to review your edits than other users due to sheer volume; that's why it might look like I'm going back to change pages you've touched more so than other users. Thanks for inquiring! If you'd like to know more about our moderator team or what our role is, I encourage you to ask on the Gemstone Discord's #wiki-talk channel where one of the GMs overseeing the wiki can chime in. HOST-GSKEBECHET (talk) 08:11, 10 November 2022 (CST)

Oh, I understand that. I just wasn't sure if there was an easy way to see pages with certain errors so I could fix those that I missed them on. I can go through my contribution list and do it, though. Thanks for getting back to me!ECHEAUX (talk) 10:34, 10 November 2022 (CST)

Northern Sentinel's Decree

Hello! My intention with this page was to list only the legal characteristics of the Landing's protectorate status. I deliberately did not want to include the preamble and ending of the letter, as they did not carry legal weight. As such, I would like to revert it to a version which contains only those legal characteristics. In my view, a log page or official document page would be more appropriate for recording the entire letter. WBURKE1 (talk)