Gswiki:Requests

This is the page to request something for or about Krakiipedia. Possible requests might be for particular articles or for someone to copyedit or wikify an article that doesn't look very good. If you work on a request, don't erase it, just respond to it, like follows:

Charge Item (example)

Could someone write an article on Charge Item? Ildran 02:18, 3 January 2006 (CST)

Here you go: Charge Item (517). Does that answer whatever questions you might have on it? Ildran 02:18, 3 January 2006 (CST)

Yep, thanks! Ildran 02:18, 3 January 2006 (CST)

That will make it so that people can see what's happened with their request a few days or weeks later, whenever they get around to checking on it. Please make sure to sign your request by putting four tildes after it like this: ~~~~.

Request List

Okay... A real request

Not that my previous request wasn't a "real" request, albeit ignored. This request has less to do with admins and more to do with Combat Maneuvers. There's a huge list of combat maneuvers that need to be fleshed out. I'd like those to be our next major focus, followed by finishing up the spell lists, namely Minor Elemental spells. -Andy ^talk 01:36, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

A Main Page request!

GemStone IV 'play' button

Here's one for you, Ollie. The main page really should have a banner displaying the GemStone IV logo. Given that we're one of the best, if not the best, sources of information about GemStone IV on the intarweb, shouldn't we be listed on the links page on Play.net? In order to be listed there, we will need that play button on the main page. -Andy ^talk 20:35, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

"Internets" is the word you are looking for there. As in, "We are the best source of information on the internets." justin ^talk 13:57, 13 August 2006 (EDT)

Criticals

I don't mean to take precidence away from the previous article (Which I feel does deserve some attention and does carry weight), but I'd like to request aid in the Critical randomization article, as I cannot confirm how accurate that information is at the moment (due to a lack of an account in addition to the inability to find any sources for this information). If someone could do me the favor of finding a source or requesting the information on the boards for me, I'd greatly appreciate it. -Andy ^talk 01:29, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Power to the users?

Hey, I just set up my own mediawiki for something else, and found out all kinds of neat things, like... You know, it's not that hard to make a site easily navigable. The only way that's remotely efficient to get to pages is to know them already (since I know them and have edited them) or are in the recent changes. I've gotten many complaints from people that it's really hard to find stuff you want to find on KP and this is due to clumsy navigation (at best) and... There's nothing we can do about it. This is of course due to the fact that only a couple people can actually edit important pages. Now, I'm not asking for any Tom, Dick, or Candor off the street te be able to edit pages like MediaWiki:Sidebar or the main page, but you know, we all have play.net accounts... And... Could probably behave. If not, we can vote to ban them or our dictator could probably ban them if they misbehave so much. Short version: Can we registered (and maybe even only us with a long history of responsible edits) users edit more of the content/back end of the mediawiki?justin ^talk 23:30, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

I don't plan on adding to the ranks of SysOps any time in the forseeable future. If someone feels something should be added to the sidebar or the main page, that's what this requests page is for. - Oliver ^Talk 11:24, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Alright, well I think the sidebar would be much more useful if it looked like this:

• Krakiipedia
  • Category:Profession|Professions
  • Category Races_and_Cultures|Races and cultures
  • Special:Categories|Categories
  • Category:Basic_mechanics|Basic mechanics
  • Magic|Magic
  • Krakiipedia:Requests|Requests
  • Help:Style|Style Guide

If you'd like me to discuss why, I'd be glad to.

And while I'm making this request, I might as well ask that the main page be updated at least once per quarter, and better, maybe weekly or daily. Information like that on a splash page needs to be dynamic or else it becomes invisible. Also, would you go ahead and make pages for: Elven Empire Undead House Chesylcha, Mental Lore, Transformation, Minor Mental, Savant Base, Breakage, Race, Mental, Major Mental, Treasure system, Lornon, Ta'Nalfein, WAVE (verb), Monk Base, Rhoska-tor, Elemental Blade (411), Lorminstra, Holy Receptacle (325), Silvean Rashere? Those are at the top of the wanted pages list. Thanks. If only there were a feature so that users could do things like keep the main page dynamic or make pages like this... I'll google around. justin ^talk 13:31, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Note: what I'd actually really like here is the ability to edit the main page, in case that's not clear

No one has been nominating featured articles or growing pains articles, and thus they have not been updated. Nothing else on the main page really needs update, and I don't see anything particularly pertinent to be included on the main page. Again, if something really needs to be added to he main page, a request can be made. As for the missing articles, anyone is quite capable of creating new articles. You don't need a SysOp for that. Just click on the link and start typing. - Oliver ^Talk 18:40, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Yeah, I think we'd have to become a GM first to get SysOp privileges, buddy. -Andy ^talk 21:01, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Hmmm, and of course, that's the only way to get my username to be not ALLCAPS. Oh well, next stop on my world domination tour: becoming a GM. justin ^talk 21:36, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

I admit that I'm rather fond of lowercase letters. -Andy ^talk 04:10, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for the change, Oliver. Another request, though, could you link the sidebar to the Magic page, and not the Category:Magic page? justin ^talk 20:06, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Though, I've a quick question. Would it really affect the integrity of KP to make someone else an administrator? It is clear that there are a number of users that make active and beneficial edits to this Wiki and have done so reliably. Making them admins would only increase their ability to continue to make beneficial edits to this project. Let me reiterate: There are people with proven track records that clearly would not abuse the priviledge of administrator access. Why keep them from it? Though, it has been made clear that I am not to be trusted, but someone else might think it an honor. It'd also be nice to have an admin that actually, you know, responds to my requests, like the one about the main page. Seeing as this is the second time I've made that request, I'd like to know why no one has done anything with it. -Andy ^talk 17:52, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

I'll chime in on this topic. Well, I'm new here. In fact, I made my username a while ago (probably at least 6 months ago), but never edited. This was due to what I felt were draconian policies toward users. In my past wiki experience, no usernames or registration was required, and absolutely not a single page was protected. We had a spam clean-up bot that did an awesome job, and otherwise we just monitored the recent changes. I don't see the point in having a wiki if you restrict it so much. I'm an admin on www.wikipaltz.com, and thats how we do things there, and it works great. So, to be clear, I don't think there should be any required usernames, or any application or approval process, it just turns people off. I also don't think anything at all should be protected (minus the back-end type stuff, of course). Opinions? --SUGARBOY234554 03:35, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

I think that Ollie enjoys pretending that we're little children that are incapable of editing and maintaining this particular Wiki without his iron-fist style supervision. It's silly, and I admit a rather large amount of displeasure with him for it. For example, in our IRC channel, Ollie doesn't moderate it, yet, we cannot control our own ops and cannot change the topic without help from him or the select two that he's trusted with ops priveledges... who don't even use the IRC channel, anymore. I cannot think of a logical reason for why he would treat us like this. -Andy ^talk 13:12, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

Well, ya know what? Fuck 'im, and this wiki. I'll take my wikisavvy here, a GSIV wiki that needs a lot of help. Ollie, I request that my account be deleted, and that all input I've had on your wiki be deleted. This is the courtesty that wikipedia gives, and I hope you do the same for us lowly users. Hope to see you all at the other wiki. --SUGARBOY234554 13:35, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

The whole "GM's are the only admins and everyone else is just a baby who can't hardly be trusted to even shit in the right place" thing really really really bothers me. It's why I've not done any work here lately, though it sorely needs to be done and I'd like to do it. When Mestys was able to come in and (having made like 2 edits in his life) changed the sidebar back to have the User List link, which is pretty much the dumbest link ever and not really helpful or informative to anyone who is using the page for information, because he is a GM I was really bothered. It's just stupid these little things that are done to remind us that we are mere users/players while they are teh uber GM's. Seriously, I'd love it if Oliver could get over his specialness and either relax the restrictions on what mere users can do or let the people that contribute actively and have track records of being consistent and "good" in their editing be Admins. The IRC channel business is absolutely retarded as well. justin ^talk 13:43, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

I'm seeing a lot of chaffing at the bit in this thread. I'll address several topics brought up in this discussion.*The Admin issue - Yes, places like Wikipedia have many admins and editors routinely can ask to be made such and are elected. Yet, it took a couple years or so before Wikipedia adopted the admin system that it has today. On top of that, and I think the real important issue, Wikipedia has tens of thousands of editors. I think KP has under ten? I just feel that it might sew more disgruntlement among the other editors if one person was made Admin out of this small group, than none at all. In my time here, I haven't been in a situation where having Admin abilities were required. Thats just me, though.

Editor qualification - What does it do? It makes you wait about 24 hours to start editting. What does this affect? The random passerby adding something on the spur of the moment. I think it would be great to have the process sped up to as instantaneous as possible, but it does ensure that those who know Gem best are the ones editting KP. And on the rare occurrence there's someone who has played Gem considerably, but currently does not have an account, well, perhaps something could be implemented where present editors could vouch for that person. As is, this is not really that big a deal. Those affected by it are those who's attention is lost over the time that it takes to sign up.

That other Wiki. They lift material, without citing it, directly from Gem documentation. Thats certainly nothing that Wikipedia approves of. So for those thinking of going there to work, you might want to fix that. :)

Rail 09:17, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

I've continued to streamline the account request process as much as I could over the short life of KP so far, and its current implementation is steps above and beyond what was originally in place. I've looked into a completely automated system, which was the original goal, but just haven't had time to explore the MediaWiki software in enough detail to manage it. Activating confirmed accounts is part of my morning KP ritual, and one of the first things I do in my day.

Oliver ^Talk 16:18, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

I don't much care about becoming an Admin, myself, but I would like it a lot better if Ollie would communicate with us when he won't grant a given request, or if he justified the reasons for the restrictions in certain areas. Let me sum up the reasons for my discontent: Why won't he add KP to the Simutronics Player Sites list? Why is the Main Page locked while the Wiki has account-limited access? Why can't we change the topic in the IRC channel? What happens if someone disruptive joins the public IRC channel without someone to kick or ban said person? Why does he have to make it so that him and two select others that never touch these projects have the power to make these changes when those of us that actually use it cannot have the same power? If Ollie, Ildran, or Mestys were active editors of KP, I couldn't complain at all about the choice of admins. If Ollie, Jen, and Ted were active visitors to the IRC channel, I couldn't complain about the lack of ops access or the inability to change the topic. Here is where the problem lies, my friend. -Andy ^talk 13:07, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

The main page is protected for the same reason any other page is protected. There shouldn't be any reason to ever edit it. As for my activity, I read KP every morning, and generally check it once or twice a day after that. I read over most if not all of the contributions made each day, though I don't have time to write articles myself. When requests are posted, I consider them, and take action how I see fit. As long as I am paying to keep this site existent out of my own pocket, I will administer it as such.

I had a vision for KP since I conceived the idea, and invite others to come and take part in it, but it's still very much my personal vision. If you do not agree, then you are welcome to voice your opinions, but I am under absolutely no obligation to agree with them. I will continue to define policy for KP as I see necessary to ensure KP adheres to my vision for it. If, in the end, that drives editors away, then I suppose that is my loss. However, it is one I am willing to take.

That being said, not everything is a cut and dry as one might perceive. KP is a fairly unique site among other 'player' sites, in that it is run and paid for by a GameMaster. As such, it is bound by policies I have to adhere to by being a GameMaster and having the privilage to create and run such a site.

The IRC related issues, which really have no place here in the first place, could have been solved with a simple message on AIM.

Oliver ^Talk 16:18, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

You know, I suddenly find myself without reason to bitch. May the editing of KP continue! -Andy ^talk 18:07, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

Though, users like SUGARBOY234554 and EDWARDRIMKUS (April) would likely want the privilege to change their user names without having to pay a fee to Simutronics. Additionally, I'm quite certain that all of us non-GMs would love to have non-capped user names. I suppose making capped usernames makes the automation a bit simpler, or something, but it is quite visually unappealing. Of course, visual appeal is one of the key points of an encyclopedia, since, you know, they are works of art. Heh. I am aware that usernames don't appear in the main articles. The purpose of that last point was, more or less, humor. -Andy ^talk 18:44, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

Missing Skills

I'd like to see the skills filled out. These are still missing: Shield Use, Multi Opponent Combat, Physical Fitness, Magic Item Use, Spirit Mana Control, Spiritual Lore, Blessings, Spiritual Lore, Religion, Spiritual Lore, Summoning, Mental Lore, Divination, Mental Lore, Manipulation, Mental Lore, Telepathy, Mental Lore, Transference, Mental Lore, Transformation, Survival, Swimming, First Aid, and Pickpocketing. Now, this isn't a push, or anything. I'd like to see these filled out by someone who is truly interested in writing these. Obviously, I'll work on them eventually, myself, but help is always welcome. Also, anyone is welcome to work on my "To Do" list under my user page. It's seen, well, a LOT of additons. Seems the more I finish, the more I have to do! -Belathus 21:12, 26 March 2006 (PST)

"navigation" list

Any chance that we could get the "category" list added to the navigation pane in the lefthand margin? Currently, you have to go to the Main Page and then click on the link about halfway down that. Thanks! Krakii 06:56, 26 January 2006 (PST)

I'll look into it when I get a chance. I'm not ever sure where it's generated. :grins: I was also thinking the front page should have a bit of an extended offering of initial navigation options. Was thinking of something like three to four encompassing categories, something like World, Mechanics, Player Lore, with a list of a few (maybe random) articles from each category below it. Maybe even snippets from some of the articles as a kind of 'featured article'. It's a thought for the future anyway. - Oliver 07:05, 26 January 2006 (PST)

Figured it out! You'll notice a bunch of snazzy new stuff over there on the left-hand side of KP. Leave suggestions of what we should include there. - Oliver

Planar Shifting

Ildran, could you renumber the Planar Shifting saved posts from 1-9 to instead be 01-09? In this way, they will all appear in a nice, sensible order rather than jumping from 1 to 11 to 2 to 3 et cetera. Thanks! Krakii 12:06, 11 January 2006 (CST)

Not Ildran, but it's done.  ;) Big pain in the ass it was too. Freakin' category listing wouldn't update after the moves/deletes.  :( Anshou 12:30, 11 January 2006 (CST)

Sorry about that. Didnt know there were going to be that many when I got started. Will try to be aware in the future. ULTHRIPE 00:24, 12 January 2006 (CST)

Pickpocketing

What stats and skills (other than PP and perception) that play into it? WELCHA 12:39, 7 January 2006 (CST)

I'm not sure if I've stated that before. If I have, then someone would be able to post it up here, but if I haven't, then the boards would be the proper place to request that kind of information. This shouldn't be the place where people go to get original information from GMs, since it's not an official site. Ildran 14:40, 7 January 2006 (CST)

Was more looking to see a general overview of pickpocket with those specific questions included. I'd assume someone out there has written up a "guide" or "overview" of some sort that includes that kind of information. Perhaps not. WELCHA 15:14, 7 January 2006 (CST)

Yeah, I don't think anyone has since PP changed for GS4, both because pickpocketing is something that people try not to draw attention to and because we've never released that information. Ildran 19:34, 7 January 2006 (CST)

Now someone has. Though, it took me a while to get around to asking, my most recent request kinda prompted the question. -Belathus 22:45, 29 March 2006 (PST)

Guild Maps

I just made a map of the wizard guild in the landing, and can't find any place that it would be appropriate. Perhaps a maps section? or a wizard guild section could be started ALKALOIDS 11:32, 29 January 2006 (PST)

I'd say include it at Wizard Guild (Wehnimer's Landing). Each guild is different enough that it makes enough sense to have a separate article for each linked from the main Wizard Guild article. you can upload the map to KP over on the left, the Upload file link. Also, just FYI, this would most likely have been better at the Village Pump rather than the requests page. Oliver 11:26, 30 January 2006 (PST)

So, I planted some basic architecture over in Guilds. Let me know if the sub-categorization is superflous, I tried to emulate the style which I observed over in Spells. Ulthripe 00:47, 1 February 2006 (PST)

Organizations and Societies category

Could we get a category added for a combined subcat listing of houses, orders and societies? My main goal is to have a place to put the order of Lorekeepers info, but it could also be where information on PROs, houses, voln and col go. - Ren 3:22, 6 Febuary 2006 (EST)

Category:Societies already exists it looks like. In any case, categories don't have to be explcitly created. You just include [[Category:{categoryname}]] in an article, and the software handles everything else. I'd suggest CHEs and PROs being separated into their own categories, probably named Category:Cooperative Houses of Elanthia and Category:Player-Run Organizations respectively. These categories should probably be subcategories of Category:World. I think a societies article exists already as well, could use one for Cooperative Houses of Elanthia and Player-Run Organizaions. If you want a page for the Order of Lorekeepers, just make it there and include it in the world category I guess. I'm not sure if we really need a single encompasing category to contain all. - Oliver (User | Talk) 14:59, 6 February 2006 (PST)

I'd love to see the CHE influence system added here. - Ozias

Staff List

The last staff list has rolled off the boards, and I can't for the life of me find one. Is it possible to get a list of the known GM staff posted? Xygon 11:08, 23 January 2007 (PST)

Someone posted the list from last year just a couple weeks ago, I believe in the Discussion on Goals for 2007 topic. Rail 14:27, 23 January 2007 (EST)