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==Voln Review 7/2012== |
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As previously announced, we have undertaken a review of the [[Order of Voln|society of Voln]] and have settled upon a number of changes that we believe will result in an overall improvement to the Order of Voln and its current state vis a vis the other societies. These changes have not yet been released into Prime/Plat/Shattered, but will be as part of the Monk release. |
As previously announced, we have undertaken a review of the [[Order of Voln|society of Voln]] and have settled upon a number of changes that we believe will result in an overall improvement to the Order of Voln and its current state vis a vis the other societies. These changes have not yet been released into Prime/Plat/Shattered, but will be as part of the Monk release. |
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Favor - The favor system has been somewhat streamlined to be less harsh on lower level players, who tended to be charged a relatively high favor cost versus the favor rewards they typically got from like-level hunting. In addition, "symbol favor" has been seperated from "advancement favor", so that a Voln member that is still advancing through the steps can freely spend their favor on symbols without having to worry about slowing down their progress towards the next step. Finally, visions recieved in the meditation chamber will no longer have a random error component. |
[[Favor]] - The favor system has been somewhat streamlined to be less harsh on lower level players, who tended to be charged a relatively high favor cost versus the favor rewards they typically got from like-level hunting. In addition, "symbol favor" has been seperated from "advancement favor", so that a Voln member that is still advancing through the steps can freely spend their favor on symbols without having to worry about slowing down their progress towards the next step. Finally, visions recieved in the meditation chamber will no longer have a random error component. |
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Symbol Success Resolution - Previously, many symbols that required a success check on whether they affected the targeted foe or not used many different resolution systems. Some (like Sleep) used a psuedo [[CS]]/[[TD]] check, while others like Submission used a straight level check. As part of this review, we have combined all the disparate success resolution systems into a standard one indentical to that used by the [[Guardians of Sunfist]] sigils. |
Symbol Success Resolution - Previously, many symbols that required a success check on whether they affected the targeted foe or not used many different resolution systems. Some (like Sleep) used a psuedo [[CS]]/[[TD]] check, while others like Submission used a straight level check. As part of this review, we have combined all the disparate success resolution systems into a standard one indentical to that used by the [[Guardians of Sunfist]] sigils. |
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Step 13 - [[Symbol of Mana]] |
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The deed cost structure for this symbol has been altered. Initial use of this symbol will cost only favor and no deeds. After this use, the symbol will enter a soft cooldown period of 5 minutes, where additional activations will require 1 deed per use. |
The deed cost structure for this symbol has been altered. Initial use of this symbol will cost only favor and no deeds. After this use, the symbol will enter a soft cooldown period of 5 minutes, where additional activations will require 1 deed per use. [[Cleric]]s may be interested to note that the symbol will become useable while dead, should any Miracles be required. |
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==Favor Clarification 7/2012== |
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Yes. Favor earned towards your next rank will never go down. |
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''>Is the lesser cost for lower levels in effect(I'm in plat)? I have a favor tracker, and at level 11 and 12 it seems to still require the exact same amount of favor to advance.'' |
''>Is the lesser cost for lower levels in effect(I'm in plat)? I have a favor tracker, and at level 11 and 12 it seems to still require the exact same amount of favor to advance.'' |
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The lessened costs refer only to the activation of symbols for lower leveled characters. The favor required to advance in rank is unchanged, except inasmuch that it is now tracked separately from one's current favor. |
The lessened costs refer only to the activation of symbols for lower leveled characters. The favor required to advance in rank is unchanged, except inasmuch that it is now tracked separately from one's current favor. |
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==Symbol of Bless 7/2012== |
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<i>>>I did not have to beg for blesses. I now have to go back to the old way of hoping there is a cleric around to bless my weapon. And it will have to be a cleric, because the new "Symbol of Bless" casts only a few blessed swings on a weapon. My empath used to be able to cast about 140 swings per Symbol of Holiness. The new Symbol of Bless gives her only about 30 swings.</i> |
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Why do you need to ask anyone else for blesses? Symbol of Blessing works on the same items Holiness used to work on and it costs substantially less favor now. BTW, the old Symbol of Holiness would bless items for 130 swings when you mastered (it was 5 swing per rank in the society, so 5*26). So if you were mastered, then you must be seeing at least 52 swings, because the number of swings is supposed to be 2*rank + your level. Are you sure this is not the case? |
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''>>How does this work exactly? Myself and other people can't get any symbols that use this to work when uphunting, even by a little, and that is when we need them to work the most. Kind of silly to only have them work on like level and under things when by the time you get to that point you don't need them any more.'' |
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The success factors are ranks in the society, [[Discipline]] and [[Influence]] stats and [[level]] difference. The level difference penalty does not become significant until the target is > 5 levels over the user. This is the same formula used for the Guardians of Sunfist Sigils of [[Sigil of Distraction|Distraction]] and [[Sigil of Intimidation|Intimidation]]. |
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==Symbol of Seeking Update 8/2016== |
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}}Solhaven never had access to Varunar through Seeking (the Landing did, though). That being said, Varunar from Solhaven is not unreasonable, so I've added it to Solhaven's destinations too. |
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I've also added the [[Red Forest]] to the Landing, the Displaced Red Forest to Vaalor, and the [[Frozen Bramble]]s to Icemule. |
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Latest revision as of 13:46, 30 May 2017
Saved posts pertaining to the Order of Voln after the 2012 review.
Release 7/2012
Topic: Developer's Corner - Monks
Message #: 1478307
Author: GS4-MESTYS
Date: 07/15/2012 08:47 PM EDT
Subject: Monks Released, Voln Revised!
It has been a long and arduous journey, but I am proud to announce that Monks are now available for creation through the character manager in all instances.
"With the strength of mind, spirit, and body, Monks are the masters of unarmed combat. Typically wearing little to no armor, Monks depend on their skills of evasion to defend themselves. Offensively, Monks chain together quick strikes to overwhelm their foes with jabs, punches, kicks, and throws. Though a Monk's chief focus is on physical forms of combat, they have an easier time learning magical skills than either Warriors or Rogues."
A number of new systems have been introduced as a part of the release, including unarmed combat, the Minor Mental spell circle, and a host of new Combat maneuvers.
Additionally, the Order of Voln has had a significant revision to its members' abilities. The details of the updates can be found here: http://forums.play.net/forums/19/226/2510/view/693
Many GMs put in many hours of effort and dedication into seeing these projects completed. I'd like to thank Finros, Coase, Estild, Oscuro, and Konacon, who were all instrumental in the design, implementation, and quality control of these monumental projects. I'd also like to thank Marstreforn, Mazreth, Lydil, Xayle, and Scribes for putting together a fun and engaging release event to tie everything together. Finally, I'd like to thank Sirina and Solomon, for helping us to coordinate all of the necessary backend changes with onsite.
I hope everyone enjoys these new additions to the game, and we look forward to hearing your feedback once you've had the chance to experience them.
-M.
Voln Review 7/2012
Topic: Voln - General Discussion
Message #: 693
Author: GS4-COASE
Date: 07/04/2012 11:42 AM EDT
Subject: Voln Review
As previously announced, we have undertaken a review of the society of Voln and have settled upon a number of changes that we believe will result in an overall improvement to the Order of Voln and its current state vis a vis the other societies. These changes have not yet been released into Prime/Plat/Shattered, but will be as part of the Monk release.
Note that the former unarmed combat abilities that made up "Voln-fu" will be folded into the upcoming Unarmed Combat System that will be released alongside the Monk profession. Some steps will be still related to unarmed combat, granting unique abilities to Voln brawlers.
While these changes represent the final state of our deliberations, we will monitor them closely following their release. Any comments, questions, concerns, or other feedback is welcome.
Symbol Changes:
Note: Several symbols have shifted position in what step on the Path to Enlightenment that they are learned on. In some cases, this was due to a change in relative power level and in other cases to better match the symbol to the nature of the Arkati associated with that step. If you are currently progressing in Voln, you will find that certain symbols that have shifted to the higher up steps will be no longer available until you reach the new rank.
Global Symbol Changes
Favor - The favor system has been somewhat streamlined to be less harsh on lower level players, who tended to be charged a relatively high favor cost versus the favor rewards they typically got from like-level hunting. In addition, "symbol favor" has been seperated from "advancement favor", so that a Voln member that is still advancing through the steps can freely spend their favor on symbols without having to worry about slowing down their progress towards the next step. Finally, visions recieved in the meditation chamber will no longer have a random error component.
Symbol Success Resolution - Previously, many symbols that required a success check on whether they affected the targeted foe or not used many different resolution systems. Some (like Sleep) used a psuedo CS/TD check, while others like Submission used a straight level check. As part of this review, we have combined all the disparate success resolution systems into a standard one indentical to that used by the Guardians of Sunfist sigils.
Step 1 - Symbol of Recognition
No changes.
Step 2 - Symbol of Blessing
The former magical metal blessing function of the Symbol of Holiness has been consolidated into the Symbol of Blessing. The Symbol of Blessing will now affect combat gear with an enchantment up to your Voln rank times 2 (VolnRank * 2). For example at Step 2, you be able to bless gear with an echantment value up to +4. By Step 25, you will be able to bless any blessable magical metal.
Step 3 - Symbol of Thought
No changes.
Step 4 - New Symbol
The current Symbol of Recovery is being removed and replaced with a new symbol: the Symbol of Diminishment. If successfully used on a creature, it will temporarily reduce a targeted undead creature's DS, TD, and CMAN defense by -1 per Voln rank you possess.
Step 5 - Symbol of Courage
No changes.
Step 6 - Symbol of Protection
The Symbol of Protection will provide a TD bonus equal to half your Voln rank, in addition to its current DS benefit.
Step 7 - Repositioned Symbol
The Symbol of Submission will be moved from Step 16 into this slot vacated by Charl's Throw. It has been updated to use the standard success resolution system noted above.
Step 8 - New Symbol
Kai's Strike will replace Kai's Punch. It will allow unarmed combat attacks to damage undead creatures without the normal requirement of blessed gear. Unlike the rest of the symbols, this is a passive ability and is automatically granted to all unarmed combat attacks without requiring favor.
Step 9 - Repositioned Symbol
The Symbol of Holiness will be moved from Step 16 into this slot vacated by Phoen's Kick. Its former weapon/armor blessing functionality will be consolidated into the Symbol of Blessing, leaving it to be solely a direct damage attack against the undead. It has been updated to use the standard success resolution system noted above.
Step 10 - New Symbol
The Symbol of Calming is being removed and replaced with a new symbol: the Symbol of Recall. This new symbol can only be used while you are dead. It will call upon Lorminstra for a boon when you are restored to life. Upon returning to life after a resurection or decay, you will receive a free full spell-up of all spells known to you, and the restoration of up to 10-20 foreign spells that were present on you at the time of death (using whatever duration and magnitude they possessed at the time of your death). Lorminstra will not favor those who voluntarily depart.
Step 11 - Symbol of Sleep
The immunity that the undead possessed to this symbol has been removed. While some undead may be able to rouse themselves after being affected, all will now be initially vulnerable. In addition, the mass version of this symbol will no longer affect other player characters in the room. Finally, it has been updated to use the standard success resolution system noted above.
Step 12 - New Symbol
The current Symbol of Turning is being moved to Step 22. In its vacated place will be a new symbol: the Symbol of Transcendence. This symbol will allow the player to step into the space between the corporeal and ethereal realms for 30 seconds. While in this state, players will take damage as if they were an incorporeal creature (i.e. critical wounds will be much harder to inflict upon them and combat maneuvers will be harder to land on them). After this symbol's duration expires, there is a 3 minute hard cooldown period where the symbol cannot be reactivated. This symbol may be invoked while the player is stunned, webbed, bound, or in RT, in which case the cooldown period is 10 minutes.
Step 13 - Symbol of Mana
The deed cost structure for this symbol has been altered. Initial use of this symbol will cost only favor and no deeds. After this use, the symbol will enter a soft cooldown period of 5 minutes, where additional activations will require 1 deed per use. Clerics may be interested to note that the symbol will become useable while dead, should any Miracles be required.
Step 14 - Symbol of Sight
No changes.
Step 15 - Repositioned Symbol
With the Symbol of Holiness moving to Step 8, the Symbol of Retribution will be moved from Step 19 to fill this slot. While dead, Retribution will function in much the same way, using the standard success resolution system noted above. If used while alive, Retribution will surround the user with an aura that reactively flares with divine retribution at undead who manage to strike the player (in much the same way as reactive armor flares). This use of the symbol has a duration of 10 seconds per Voln rank (stackable).
Step 16 - New Symbol
With the Symbol of Submission moving to Step 7, this slot will be filled with a new symbol: the Symbol of Supremacy. While this symbol is active, the player will receive a +1 bonus per two Voln ranks to AS/CS/CMAN against undead creatures. This symbol has a duration of 10 seconds per Voln rank (stackable).
Step 17 - Symbol of Restoration
A minimum of 10 HP will be returned per activation. Otherwise unchanged.
Step 18 - Symbol of Need
No changes.
Step 19 - New Symbol
With the Symbol of Retribution moving to Step 16, a new symbol will take its vacated slot: the Symbol of Renewal. Each use of this symbol will immediately restore 1 Spirit Point to the player. After each use, the symbol enters a hard cooldown period of 2 minutes where the symbol cannot be reactivated.
Step 20 - New Symbol
A new symbol has been created to fill the slot vacated by Charl's Throw II: the Symbol of Disruption. Invoking this symbol will cause the player and all group members to be surrounded by a churning spectral aura. This aura is anathema to non-corporeal undead. Any non-corporeal undead struck while under this symbol's effect will suffer a temporary disruption in their link to the corporeal plane. It will be dealt roundtime based on on the critical rank of the attack and will suffer a temporary penalty to AS/DS/CS/TD/CMAN while disrupted. Disruptions cannot be stacked or refreshed on particular creature, though once the first disruption has run its course, the creature may be disrupted again.
Step 21 - New Symbol
Kai's Punch II will be replaced with Kai's Smite. This attack will be an unarmed combat attack, activated via the SMITE verb. If it connects, instead of doing damage, it will temporarily pull a non-corporeal undead creature into corporealness. Against a corporeal undead creature, it will make the creature temporarily more susceptible to damage. It has no effect upon living creatures.
Step 22 - Repositioned Symbol
The Symbol of Turning is moving from Step 12 to fill the slot vacated by Phoen's Kick II. It has been updated to use the new success resolution system noted above, which should significantly increase the usability of the symbol for most classes.
Step 23 - Symbol of Preservation
No changes.
Step 24 - Symbol of Dreams
The Symbol of Dreams will be updated to double the rate at which the user recovers from the stat loss effects of Death's Sting. Players will also be able to talk with other players while under the effects of this symbol, instead of being required to be completely incommunicado.
Step 25 - Symbol of Return
No changes.
Step 26 - New Symbol
The ability of Voln masters to invite others into the Order will remain via the INVITE verb, but will no longer take up an entire symbol slot. Instead, a new symbol will be implemented to take its place: the Symbol of Seeking. Calling upon the zeal of the Great Spirit Voln, the player will be able to teleport from any Voln outpost directly to a chosen undead hunting ground in the general vicinity. This ability is similar to the effect of the tapestry in the Wehnimer's monastery, but will be available in all towns as an innate ability. Of note, players will be able to directly teleport from Icemule to the Cavern of Ages, or from Kharam-Dzu directly into the Water Temple. This symbol requires no favor to use.
Coase
Favor Clarification 7/2012
Topic: Voln - General Discussion
Message #: 760
Author: GS4-FINROS
Date: 07/11/2012 03:35 AM EDT
Subject: Voln Review
>So, just to be sure I understand: once you earn favor toward advancement, that favor is not subtracted when you use a symbol (though obviously if you use the symbols too much you can run out of favor). Is that the way this will work?
Yes. Favor earned towards your next rank will never go down.
>And does that mean that "symbol favor" will no longer be wiped out when you advance a step?
Correct, although your "favor towards the next rank" counter still resets with each step, so you can't get multiple ranks at once.
>I'm curious about the change is said to lessen the disparity between low level favor gain and high level favor gain.
The favor gain is identical to the way it was before. The cost has been lessened for low-level characters, and left approximately the same for high-level characters. For all but the highest cost symbols, the favor costs are about the same between the old and new formulas, after level 40 or so.
Topic: Voln - General Discussion
Message #: 762
Author: GS4-FINROS
Date: 07/11/2012 03:53 AM EDT
Subject: Voln Review
>Is the lesser cost for lower levels in effect(I'm in plat)? I have a favor tracker, and at level 11 and 12 it seems to still require the exact same amount of favor to advance.
The lessened costs refer only to the activation of symbols for lower leveled characters. The favor required to advance in rank is unchanged, except inasmuch that it is now tracked separately from one's current favor.
Symbol of Bless 7/2012
Topic: Voln - General Discussion
Message #: 828
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 07/17/2012 03:11 PM EDT
Subject: Re: Voln Fu and Symbol of Bless
>>I did not have to beg for blesses. I now have to go back to the old way of hoping there is a cleric around to bless my weapon. And it will have to be a cleric, because the new "Symbol of Bless" casts only a few blessed swings on a weapon. My empath used to be able to cast about 140 swings per Symbol of Holiness. The new Symbol of Bless gives her only about 30 swings.
Why do you need to ask anyone else for blesses? Symbol of Blessing works on the same items Holiness used to work on and it costs substantially less favor now. BTW, the old Symbol of Holiness would bless items for 130 swings when you mastered (it was 5 swing per rank in the society, so 5*26). So if you were mastered, then you must be seeing at least 52 swings, because the number of swings is supposed to be 2*rank + your level. Are you sure this is not the case?
GameMaster Oscuro
Standard Success Resolution Systems 7/2012
Topic: Voln - General Discussion
Message #: 876
Author: GS4-OSCURO
Date: 07/26/2012 11:56 AM EDT
Subject: Re: Standard success resolution system
>>How does this work exactly? Myself and other people can't get any symbols that use this to work when uphunting, even by a little, and that is when we need them to work the most. Kind of silly to only have them work on like level and under things when by the time you get to that point you don't need them any more.
The success factors are ranks in the society, Discipline and Influence stats and level difference. The level difference penalty does not become significant until the target is > 5 levels over the user. This is the same formula used for the Guardians of Sunfist Sigils of Distraction and Intimidation.
GameMaster Oscuro
Symbol of Seeking Update 8/2016
Topic: Voln - General Discussion
Message #: 1502
Author: GS4-COASE
Date: 08/17/2016 12:08 AM EDT
Subject: Re: Symbol of Seeking/Castle Varunar/Solhaven
Solhaven never had access to Varunar through Seeking (the Landing did, though). That being said, Varunar from Solhaven is not unreasonable, so I've added it to Solhaven's destinations too.
I've also added the Red Forest to the Landing, the Displaced Red Forest to Vaalor, and the Frozen Brambles to Icemule.
Coase